Palestinian Peace Proposal

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, montelatici, et al,

No, I don't think you understand what "Palestine" means, as determined by the Allied Powers.

Palestinian is not an Arab Country. It is the territory to which the Mandate applies.

The Mandate was a temporarily assigned administration. Palestine is the place.

(COMMENT)

The territory of Palestine was defined by the Order n Council:

• The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - The Palestine Order in LoN Council - Mandatory order 10 August 1922

To "mandate" something is to issue and "an official order or commission to do something." It is what the word means. In this case the Mandate was an order adopted by the Council and outlined in a set of provisions. The degree of authority or control to be exercised by the Mandatory varies according to the character of the territory.

NO! The Palestinians want everything either handed to them on a Silver Platter or to take it by force.

Do you mean like the Palestinians want Palestine?

Shame on them.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians have no authority to assume a leadership role within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, under the terms of the Unconditional Surrender of the Ottoman Empire.

It is a matter of treaty and self-determination.

Palestine was never called Trans-Jordania. Trans-Jordania was a separate territory included in the Mandate, as reported in the Mandatories 1921 Report in a separate section, X. separate from Palestine and whose boundaries are clearly defined:

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.
​

"X.--TRANS-JORDANIA.

Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania.

(COMMENT)

Trans-Jordan was clearly part of the Mandate. It is separate (because it was already promised to the Sharif of Mecca for one of his sons) yes --- but only as far as Article 25 of the Mandate applies. It was partitioned early on with the blessing of the other Allied Powers.

You guys periodically bring this issue up. And each time, I have to explain it again. You must use the interpretation of the Permanent Mandate Commission and not some lame brain pro-Palestinian trying to make some unsubstantiated point.

"INCLUDED" (the very key word here) "in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania." The Arabs have, since the early years of the Mandate, make this suggestion that Trans-Jordania was not part of the Mandate for Palestine. When in fact it is all one Mandate. The portion of the mandate east of the Jordan River was subject to Article 25 and not to be considered part of the allow territory for Jewish Immigration or consideration for the Jewish National Home. But as the Mandatory made quite clear, when this was addressed in 1929:

1003. Palestine and Trans-Jordan: Agreement between Great Britain and the Amir of Trans-Jordan : Attitude of the Commission.

• • 
    "There should be no doubt at all in the minds of the members of the Council that my Government regards itself as responsible to the Council for the proper application in Trans-Jordan of all the provisions of the Palestine mandate, except those which have been excluded under Article 25."
    • 
      SOURCE: PERMANENT MANDATES COMMISSION MINUTES OF THE FIFTEENTH SESSION Held at Geneva from July 1st to 19th, 1929. including the
      REPORT OF THE COMMISSION TO THE COUNCIL

Most Respectfully,
R

Are you saying that the Mandate for Palestine did not have a Palestine?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

In this case, they are talking about the positive aspects of establishing Friendly relations and Co-operation between the two states (A/RES/2625).

How do you "normalize" an occupation?

What Israeli policies do they change?

(COMMENT)

Full normalization would ultimately lead to the termination of the Belligerent Occupation and the establishment of formal diplomatic relations under general accepted practices.

But, there are still powerful forces that would prefer that Israel and the Palestinians not achieve such a level.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not sure what you're asking.

Are you saying that the Mandate for Palestine did not have a Palestine?

(COMMENT)

A Mandate has a territorial limit to its authority for the order that was applied. Before the Mandate, there was not such legal entity called "Palestine." Palestine was defined by the Allied Powers pursuant to the San Remo Agreement and the Treaty of Sevres. The Mandate for Palestine was made applicable by the Council of the League of Nations, to that territory determined by the Allied Powers.

Again, read the definition:

• The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - The Palestine Order in LoN Council - Mandatory order 10 August 1922

I don't know why you are trying to complicate it. It is only a sentence long.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

In this case, they are talking about the positive aspects of establishing Friendly relations and Co-operation between the two states (A/RES/2625).

How do you "normalize" an occupation?

What Israeli policies do they change?

(COMMENT)

Full normalization would ultimately lead to the termination of the Belligerent Occupation and the establishment of formal diplomatic relations under general accepted practices.

But, there are still powerful forces that would prefer that Israel and the Palestinians not achieve such a level.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Zionist's goal has always been all of Palestine without the Palestinians. That goal is still pursued today.

Nothing is going to change that.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al

Things change over time in most political pursuits.

The Zionist's goal has always been all of Palestine without the Palestinians. That goal is still pursued today.

Nothing is going to change that.

(COMMENT)

Most successive diplomatic arrangements are not constructed by men of such negative attitudes. Change is always possible.

In the 21st Century, there is no question that the Palestinian wants all the territory formerly under the Mandate (less that allocated to Jordan --- east of the Jordan River). It is made very clear in the Unity Government by Khaled Mashal, Chairman of the Political Bureau, Islamic Resistance Movement, in 2013 ("Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, we may not a waiver an inch or any part thereof, no matter what the reasons and circumstances and pressures." It is no different than the language used in the Palestinian National Charter more than four decades ago: "Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit."

It is the very foundation for the Hostile Arab Palestinian to further Jihad and for the Fedayeen to promote armed struggle.

Any security containment of the Palestinian of the quarantine of Palestinian Jihadist, terrorist, insurgents and other associated asymmetric combatants is rooted in this basic concepts. If you want "change" you must be willing to change.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, montelatici, et al,

No, I don't think you understand what "Palestine" means, as determined by the Allied Powers.

Palestinian is not an Arab Country. It is the territory to which the Mandate applies.

The Mandate was a temporarily assigned administration. Palestine is the place.

(COMMENT)

The territory of Palestine was defined by the Order n Council:

• The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - The Palestine Order in LoN Council - Mandatory order 10 August 1922

To "mandate" something is to issue and "an official order or commission to do something." It is what the word means. In this case the Mandate was an order adopted by the Council and outlined in a set of provisions. The degree of authority or control to be exercised by the Mandatory varies according to the character of the territory.

NO! The Palestinians want everything either handed to them on a Silver Platter or to take it by force.

Do you mean like the Palestinians want Palestine?

Shame on them.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians have no authority to assume a leadership role within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, under the terms of the Unconditional Surrender of the Ottoman Empire.

It is a matter of treaty and self-determination.

Palestine was never called Trans-Jordania. Trans-Jordania was a separate territory included in the Mandate, as reported in the Mandatories 1921 Report in a separate section, X. separate from Palestine and whose boundaries are clearly defined:

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.
​

"X.--TRANS-JORDANIA.

Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania.

(COMMENT)

Trans-Jordan was clearly part of the Mandate. It is separate (because it was already promised to the Sharif of Mecca for one of his sons) yes --- but only as far as Article 25 of the Mandate applies. It was partitioned early on with the blessing of the other Allied Powers.

You guys periodically bring this issue up. And each time, I have to explain it again. You must use the interpretation of the Permanent Mandate Commission and not some lame brain pro-Palestinian trying to make some unsubstantiated point.

"INCLUDED" (the very key word here) "in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania." The Arabs have, since the early years of the Mandate, make this suggestion that Trans-Jordania was not part of the Mandate for Palestine. When in fact it is all one Mandate. The portion of the mandate east of the Jordan River was subject to Article 25 and not to be considered part of the allow territory for Jewish Immigration or consideration for the Jewish National Home. But as the Mandatory made quite clear, when this was addressed in 1929:

1003. Palestine and Trans-Jordan: Agreement between Great Britain and the Amir of Trans-Jordan : Attitude of the Commission.

• • 
    "There should be no doubt at all in the minds of the members of the Council that my Government regards itself as responsible to the Council for the proper application in Trans-Jordan of all the provisions of the Palestine mandate, except those which have been excluded under Article 25."
    • 
      SOURCE: PERMANENT MANDATES COMMISSION MINUTES OF THE FIFTEENTH SESSION Held at Geneva from July 1st to 19th, 1929. including the
      REPORT OF THE COMMISSION TO THE COUNCIL

Most Respectfully,
R

Are you saying that the Mandate for Palestine did not have a Palestine?

Define Palestine in respect of the LoN treaty of Sevres and the proposed mandate of 1923 will answer your question.

 

[MJB12741]

P F Tinmore, et al,

In this case, they are talking about the positive aspects of establishing Friendly relations and Co-operation between the two states (A/RES/2625).

How do you "normalize" an occupation?

What Israeli policies do they change?

(COMMENT)

Full normalization would ultimately lead to the termination of the Belligerent Occupation and the establishment of formal diplomatic relations under general accepted practices.

But, there are still powerful forces that would prefer that Israel and the Palestinians not achieve such a level.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Zionist's goal has always been all of Palestine without the Palestinians. That goal is still pursued today.

Nothing is going to change that.

OUTSTANDING POINT! You have a very fine brain. Just look at the documented factual results of Israel's ethnic cleansing. In 1948 there were approximately 1.2 million Palestinians residing in Israel. And now there are only around 6 million of them left. Take that you Zionists.

Population Statistics - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

In this case, they are talking about the positive aspects of establishing Friendly relations and Co-operation between the two states (A/RES/2625).

How do you "normalize" an occupation?

What Israeli policies do they change?

(COMMENT)

Full normalization would ultimately lead to the termination of the Belligerent Occupation and the establishment of formal diplomatic relations under general accepted practices.

But, there are still powerful forces that would prefer that Israel and the Palestinians not achieve such a level.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Zionist's goal has always been all of Palestine without the Palestinians. That goal is still pursued today.

Nothing is going to change that.

Define Palestinians in terms of the treaty of Sevres and the LoN first to see where you are failing to understand reality

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

In this case, they are talking about the positive aspects of establishing Friendly relations and Co-operation between the two states (A/RES/2625).

How do you "normalize" an occupation?

What Israeli policies do they change?

(COMMENT)

Full normalization would ultimately lead to the termination of the Belligerent Occupation and the establishment of formal diplomatic relations under general accepted practices.

But, there are still powerful forces that would prefer that Israel and the Palestinians not achieve such a level.

Most Respectfully,
R

You don't normalize an occupation. You eliminate the occupation.

Israel has made it clear that they will never allow the occupation to end.

 

[Hossfly]

P F Tinmore, et al,

In this case, they are talking about the positive aspects of establishing Friendly relations and Co-operation between the two states (A/RES/2625).

How do you "normalize" an occupation?

What Israeli policies do they change?

(COMMENT)

Full normalization would ultimately lead to the termination of the Belligerent Occupation and the establishment of formal diplomatic relations under general accepted practices.

But, there are still powerful forces that would prefer that Israel and the Palestinians not achieve such a level.

Most Respectfully,
R

You don't normalize an occupation. You eliminate the occupation.

Israel has made it clear that they will never allow the occupation to end.

C'est la vie. Doo doo happens, Bub.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

In this case, they are talking about the positive aspects of establishing Friendly relations and Co-operation between the two states (A/RES/2625).

How do you "normalize" an occupation?

What Israeli policies do they change?

(COMMENT)

Full normalization would ultimately lead to the termination of the Belligerent Occupation and the establishment of formal diplomatic relations under general accepted practices.

But, there are still powerful forces that would prefer that Israel and the Palestinians not achieve such a level.

Most Respectfully,
R

You don't normalize an occupation. You eliminate the occupation.

Israel has made it clear that they will never allow the occupation to end.

LINK from a non partisan and truthfull site

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

In this case, they are talking about the positive aspects of establishing Friendly relations and Co-operation between the two states (A/RES/2625).

How do you "normalize" an occupation?

What Israeli policies do they change?

(COMMENT)

Full normalization would ultimately lead to the termination of the Belligerent Occupation and the establishment of formal diplomatic relations under general accepted practices.

But, there are still powerful forces that would prefer that Israel and the Palestinians not achieve such a level.

Most Respectfully,
R

You don't normalize an occupation. You eliminate the occupation.

Israel has made it clear that they will never allow the occupation to end.

LINK from a non partisan and truthfull site

When does Israel plan to lift the siege on Gaza?

When does Israel plan to leave the Jordan Valley?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you are misusing the term "siege." A "siege" is used in the offense with the intent to prevent conquer by attrition or assault --- during wartime. In the case of GAZA, the applicable term is containment and the establishment of a security barrier to prevent:

It is understood that: small arms and light weapons (SALW) are broadly used by many different groups including but not limited to militaries, gangs and terrorist organisations, --- including Palestinian terrorist Organizations, Islamic Resistance Movements and Militant activities, and generalized Jihadist and Fedayeen.

Noting that the main factors, which influence the illicit trade of small arms and light weapons, are:

a)weak border control
b)cross-border smuggling
c)The black Market
d)The demand for arms
e)The poor monitoring of the trade of small arms and light weapons,​

It have become necessary to contain the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) from obtaining SALW to further the official hostile agenda through the infiltration and exfiltration of asymmetric elements to pursue the targeting of cross-border civilian targets:

• attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;
• attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;
• kidnapping or hostage taking;
• causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;
• seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;
• manufacture, possession, acquisition, transport, supply or use of weapons, explosives or of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons, as well as research into, and development of, biological and chemical weapons;
• release of dangerous substances, or causing fires, floods or explosions the effect of which is to endanger human life;
• threatening to commit any of the hostile acts

INFORMATIONALS

Egypt Destroys Over 500 Tunnels Under Gaza Border

The 521 tunnels– believed to be primarily used for smuggling weapons, facilitating clandestine movement ... tunnel networks following information that Palestinian terror group Hamas was likely coordinating with Islamist …​

Breitbart News · 4 hours ago

Hamas Using Truce to Prepare for Next Clash With Israel

Due to Egypt’s stringent policy of destroying smuggling tunnels, Hamas is not able to smuggle weapons in from outside ... and an old-new friend has reappeared: Iran.Hamas and Tehran reestablished ties this year …​

The Algemeiner · 5/19/2015

Israel Stops Smuggling Boat, Arrests 3 Hamas Operatives

During interrogation, the three suspects provided "detailed information" on prior weapons smuggling and explained how Hamas uses fisherman and smugglers to transport material for weapons production to the Gaza Strip. Smuggling attempts by sea has …​

The Christian Broadcasting Network · 2/12/2015

When does Israel plan to lift the siege on Gaza?

When does Israel plan to leave the Jordan Valley?

(COMMENT)

The issue of settlements is a matter that is suppose to be resolved via the dispute resolution agreement outlined in the Oslo Accords.

OSLO I Article XV

RESOLUTION OF DISPUTES
1. Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Declaration of Principles, or any subsequent agreements pertaining to the interim period, shall be resolved by negotiations through the Joint Liaison Committee to be established pursuant to Article X above.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be resolved by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed upon by the parties.

3. The parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both parties, the parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

OSLO II ARTICLE XXI

Settlement of Differences and Disputes

Any difference relating to the application of this Agreement shall be referred to the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism established under this Agreement. The provisions of Article XV of the DOP shall apply to any such difference which is not settled through the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism, namely:

1.Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Agreement or any related agreements pertaining to the interim shall be settled through the Liaison Committee.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be settled by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed between the Parties.

3. The Parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both Parties, the Parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

It should be noted that the Islamic Resistance Movement indicated in its 2013 Political Position Paper, that sovereignty over the entire territory is demanded: "Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, we may not a waiver an inch or any part thereof, no matter what the reasons and circumstances and pressures." This essentially means the dismantlement of the Jewish State of Israel; as established under the UN Partition Plan. This is not unlike the threat base correspondence of 1948 by the Arab Higher Committee:

It should be noted that the Arab Higher Committee (as the aggressor as part of the Aggressor Force in 1948) was the last Arab Palestinian organization that stipulated the end of the conflict: "In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:" When will it end:

• • 
    (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.
    

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I apologize for being late with this. I had a difficult time finding a specific source making the answer applicable to this topic.

There is a universal realization of the right of all peoples,...

Peoples? Hmmm. What does that mean?

(COMMENT)

"The use of the term "peoples" in this document shall not be construed as having any implications as regards the rights that may attach to the term under international law."
SOURCE: U.S. National Security Council, Position on Indigenous Peoples (January 18, 2001)

It is the mountain made from a mole hill.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you are misusing the term "siege." A "siege" is used in the offense with the intent to prevent conquer by attrition or assault --- during wartime. In the case of GAZA, the applicable term is containment and the establishment of a security barrier to prevent:

It is understood that: small arms and light weapons (SALW) are broadly used by many different groups including but not limited to militaries, gangs and terrorist organisations, --- including Palestinian terrorist Organizations, Islamic Resistance Movements and Militant activities, and generalized Jihadist and Fedayeen.

Noting that the main factors, which influence the illicit trade of small arms and light weapons, are:

a)weak border control
b)cross-border smuggling
c)The black Market
d)The demand for arms
e)The poor monitoring of the trade of small arms and light weapons,​

It have become necessary to contain the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) from obtaining SALW to further the official hostile agenda through the infiltration and exfiltration of asymmetric elements to pursue the targeting of cross-border civilian targets:

• attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;
• attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;
• kidnapping or hostage taking;
• causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;
• seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;
• manufacture, possession, acquisition, transport, supply or use of weapons, explosives or of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons, as well as research into, and development of, biological and chemical weapons;
• release of dangerous substances, or causing fires, floods or explosions the effect of which is to endanger human life;
• threatening to commit any of the hostile acts

INFORMATIONALS

Egypt Destroys Over 500 Tunnels Under Gaza Border

The 521 tunnels– believed to be primarily used for smuggling weapons, facilitating clandestine movement ... tunnel networks following information that Palestinian terror group Hamas was likely coordinating with Islamist …​

Breitbart News · 4 hours ago

Hamas Using Truce to Prepare for Next Clash With Israel

Due to Egypt’s stringent policy of destroying smuggling tunnels, Hamas is not able to smuggle weapons in from outside ... and an old-new friend has reappeared: Iran.Hamas and Tehran reestablished ties this year …​

The Algemeiner · 5/19/2015

Israel Stops Smuggling Boat, Arrests 3 Hamas Operatives

During interrogation, the three suspects provided "detailed information" on prior weapons smuggling and explained how Hamas uses fisherman and smugglers to transport material for weapons production to the Gaza Strip. Smuggling attempts by sea has …​

The Christian Broadcasting Network · 2/12/2015

When does Israel plan to lift the siege on Gaza?

When does Israel plan to leave the Jordan Valley?

(COMMENT)

The issue of settlements is a matter that is suppose to be resolved via the dispute resolution agreement outlined in the Oslo Accords.

OSLO I Article XV

RESOLUTION OF DISPUTES
1. Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Declaration of Principles, or any subsequent agreements pertaining to the interim period, shall be resolved by negotiations through the Joint Liaison Committee to be established pursuant to Article X above.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be resolved by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed upon by the parties.

3. The parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both parties, the parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

OSLO II ARTICLE XXI

Settlement of Differences and Disputes

Any difference relating to the application of this Agreement shall be referred to the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism established under this Agreement. The provisions of Article XV of the DOP shall apply to any such difference which is not settled through the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism, namely:

1.Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Agreement or any related agreements pertaining to the interim shall be settled through the Liaison Committee.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be settled by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed between the Parties.

3. The Parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both Parties, the Parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

It should be noted that the Islamic Resistance Movement indicated in its 2013 Political Position Paper, that sovereignty over the entire territory is demanded: "Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, we may not a waiver an inch or any part thereof, no matter what the reasons and circumstances and pressures." This essentially means the dismantlement of the Jewish State of Israel; as established under the UN Partition Plan. This is not unlike the threat base correspondence of 1948 by the Arab Higher Committee:

It should be noted that the Arab Higher Committee (as the aggressor as part of the Aggressor Force in 1948) was the last Arab Palestinian organization that stipulated the end of the conflict: "In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:" When will it end:

• • 
    (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

Most Respectfully,
R

Thank you for this perfect description of Israel.

• attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;
• attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;
• kidnapping or hostage taking;
• causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;
• seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;
• manufacture, possession, acquisition, transport, supply or use of weapons, explosives or of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons, as well as research into, and development of, biological and chemical weapons;

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I apologize for being late with this. I had a difficult time finding a specific source making the answer applicable to this topic.

There is a universal realization of the right of all peoples,...

Peoples? Hmmm. What does that mean?

(COMMENT)

"The use of the term "peoples" in this document shall not be construed as having any implications as regards the rights that may attach to the term under international law."
SOURCE: U.S. National Security Council, Position on Indigenous Peoples (January 18, 2001)

It is the mountain made from a mole hill.

Most Respectfully,
R

How is this applicable to Palestine?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you are misusing the term "siege." A "siege" is used in the offense with the intent to prevent conquer by attrition or assault --- during wartime. In the case of GAZA, the applicable term is containment and the establishment of a security barrier to prevent:

It is understood that: small arms and light weapons (SALW) are broadly used by many different groups including but not limited to militaries, gangs and terrorist organisations, --- including Palestinian terrorist Organizations, Islamic Resistance Movements and Militant activities, and generalized Jihadist and Fedayeen.

Noting that the main factors, which influence the illicit trade of small arms and light weapons, are:

a)weak border control
b)cross-border smuggling
c)The black Market
d)The demand for arms
e)The poor monitoring of the trade of small arms and light weapons,​

It have become necessary to contain the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) from obtaining SALW to further the official hostile agenda through the infiltration and exfiltration of asymmetric elements to pursue the targeting of cross-border civilian targets:

• attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;
• attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;
• kidnapping or hostage taking;
• causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;
• seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;
• manufacture, possession, acquisition, transport, supply or use of weapons, explosives or of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons, as well as research into, and development of, biological and chemical weapons;
• release of dangerous substances, or causing fires, floods or explosions the effect of which is to endanger human life;
• threatening to commit any of the hostile acts

INFORMATIONALS

Egypt Destroys Over 500 Tunnels Under Gaza Border

The 521 tunnels– believed to be primarily used for smuggling weapons, facilitating clandestine movement ... tunnel networks following information that Palestinian terror group Hamas was likely coordinating with Islamist …​

Breitbart News · 4 hours ago

Hamas Using Truce to Prepare for Next Clash With Israel

Due to Egypt’s stringent policy of destroying smuggling tunnels, Hamas is not able to smuggle weapons in from outside ... and an old-new friend has reappeared: Iran.Hamas and Tehran reestablished ties this year …​

The Algemeiner · 5/19/2015

Israel Stops Smuggling Boat, Arrests 3 Hamas Operatives

During interrogation, the three suspects provided "detailed information" on prior weapons smuggling and explained how Hamas uses fisherman and smugglers to transport material for weapons production to the Gaza Strip. Smuggling attempts by sea has …​

The Christian Broadcasting Network · 2/12/2015

When does Israel plan to lift the siege on Gaza?

When does Israel plan to leave the Jordan Valley?

(COMMENT)

The issue of settlements is a matter that is suppose to be resolved via the dispute resolution agreement outlined in the Oslo Accords.

OSLO I Article XV

RESOLUTION OF DISPUTES
1. Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Declaration of Principles, or any subsequent agreements pertaining to the interim period, shall be resolved by negotiations through the Joint Liaison Committee to be established pursuant to Article X above.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be resolved by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed upon by the parties.

3. The parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both parties, the parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

OSLO II ARTICLE XXI

Settlement of Differences and Disputes

Any difference relating to the application of this Agreement shall be referred to the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism established under this Agreement. The provisions of Article XV of the DOP shall apply to any such difference which is not settled through the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism, namely:

1.Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Agreement or any related agreements pertaining to the interim shall be settled through the Liaison Committee.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be settled by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed between the Parties.

3. The Parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both Parties, the Parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

It should be noted that the Islamic Resistance Movement indicated in its 2013 Political Position Paper, that sovereignty over the entire territory is demanded: "Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, we may not a waiver an inch or any part thereof, no matter what the reasons and circumstances and pressures." This essentially means the dismantlement of the Jewish State of Israel; as established under the UN Partition Plan. This is not unlike the threat base correspondence of 1948 by the Arab Higher Committee:

It should be noted that the Arab Higher Committee (as the aggressor as part of the Aggressor Force in 1948) was the last Arab Palestinian organization that stipulated the end of the conflict: "In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:" When will it end:

• • 
    (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

Most Respectfully,
R

Noting​

​

that the main factors, which influence the illicit trade of small arms and light weapons, are:

a)weak border control
b)cross-border smuggling
c)The black Market
d)The demand for arms
e)The poor monitoring of the trade of small arms and light weapons,​

What do you mean by illicit? It is legal for Palestinians to import an manufacture arms.

 

[MJB12741]

P F Tinmore, et al,

In this case, they are talking about the positive aspects of establishing Friendly relations and Co-operation between the two states (A/RES/2625).

How do you "normalize" an occupation?

What Israeli policies do they change?

(COMMENT)

Full normalization would ultimately lead to the termination of the Belligerent Occupation and the establishment of formal diplomatic relations under general accepted practices.

But, there are still powerful forces that would prefer that Israel and the Palestinians not achieve such a level.

Most Respectfully,
R

You don't normalize an occupation. You eliminate the occupation.

Israel has made it clear that they will never allow the occupation to end.

Are you referring to the Palestinian occupation of Israel?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you are misusing the term "siege." A "siege" is used in the offense with the intent to prevent conquer by attrition or assault --- during wartime. In the case of GAZA, the applicable term is containment and the establishment of a security barrier to prevent:

It is understood that: small arms and light weapons (SALW) are broadly used by many different groups including but not limited to militaries, gangs and terrorist organisations, --- including Palestinian terrorist Organizations, Islamic Resistance Movements and Militant activities, and generalized Jihadist and Fedayeen.

Noting that the main factors, which influence the illicit trade of small arms and light weapons, are:

a)weak border control
b)cross-border smuggling
c)The black Market
d)The demand for arms
e)The poor monitoring of the trade of small arms and light weapons,​

It have become necessary to contain the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) from obtaining SALW to further the official hostile agenda through the infiltration and exfiltration of asymmetric elements to pursue the targeting of cross-border civilian targets:

• attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;
• attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;
• kidnapping or hostage taking;
• causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;
• seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;
• manufacture, possession, acquisition, transport, supply or use of weapons, explosives or of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons, as well as research into, and development of, biological and chemical weapons;
• release of dangerous substances, or causing fires, floods or explosions the effect of which is to endanger human life;
• threatening to commit any of the hostile acts

INFORMATIONALS

Egypt Destroys Over 500 Tunnels Under Gaza Border

The 521 tunnels– believed to be primarily used for smuggling weapons, facilitating clandestine movement ... tunnel networks following information that Palestinian terror group Hamas was likely coordinating with Islamist …​

Breitbart News · 4 hours ago

Hamas Using Truce to Prepare for Next Clash With Israel

Due to Egypt’s stringent policy of destroying smuggling tunnels, Hamas is not able to smuggle weapons in from outside ... and an old-new friend has reappeared: Iran.Hamas and Tehran reestablished ties this year …​

The Algemeiner · 5/19/2015

Israel Stops Smuggling Boat, Arrests 3 Hamas Operatives

During interrogation, the three suspects provided "detailed information" on prior weapons smuggling and explained how Hamas uses fisherman and smugglers to transport material for weapons production to the Gaza Strip. Smuggling attempts by sea has …​

The Christian Broadcasting Network · 2/12/2015

When does Israel plan to lift the siege on Gaza?

When does Israel plan to leave the Jordan Valley?

(COMMENT)

The issue of settlements is a matter that is suppose to be resolved via the dispute resolution agreement outlined in the Oslo Accords.

OSLO I Article XV

RESOLUTION OF DISPUTES
1. Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Declaration of Principles, or any subsequent agreements pertaining to the interim period, shall be resolved by negotiations through the Joint Liaison Committee to be established pursuant to Article X above.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be resolved by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed upon by the parties.

3. The parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both parties, the parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

OSLO II ARTICLE XXI

Settlement of Differences and Disputes

Any difference relating to the application of this Agreement shall be referred to the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism established under this Agreement. The provisions of Article XV of the DOP shall apply to any such difference which is not settled through the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism, namely:

1.Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Agreement or any related agreements pertaining to the interim shall be settled through the Liaison Committee.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be settled by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed between the Parties.

3. The Parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both Parties, the Parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

It should be noted that the Islamic Resistance Movement indicated in its 2013 Political Position Paper, that sovereignty over the entire territory is demanded: "Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, we may not a waiver an inch or any part thereof, no matter what the reasons and circumstances and pressures." This essentially means the dismantlement of the Jewish State of Israel; as established under the UN Partition Plan. This is not unlike the threat base correspondence of 1948 by the Arab Higher Committee:

It should be noted that the Arab Higher Committee (as the aggressor as part of the Aggressor Force in 1948) was the last Arab Palestinian organization that stipulated the end of the conflict: "In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:" When will it end:

• • 
    (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

Most Respectfully,
R

The 521 tunnels– believed to be primarily used for smuggling weapons,​

Smuggling is the term for importing illegally.

It is not illegal for Palestine to import weapons.

In this case "smuggling" is a propaganda term.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you are misusing the term "siege." A "siege" is used in the offense with the intent to prevent conquer by attrition or assault --- during wartime. In the case of GAZA, the applicable term is containment and the establishment of a security barrier to prevent:

It is understood that: small arms and light weapons (SALW) are broadly used by many different groups including but not limited to militaries, gangs and terrorist organisations, --- including Palestinian terrorist Organizations, Islamic Resistance Movements and Militant activities, and generalized Jihadist and Fedayeen.

Noting that the main factors, which influence the illicit trade of small arms and light weapons, are:

a)weak border control
b)cross-border smuggling
c)The black Market
d)The demand for arms
e)The poor monitoring of the trade of small arms and light weapons,​

It have become necessary to contain the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) from obtaining SALW to further the official hostile agenda through the infiltration and exfiltration of asymmetric elements to pursue the targeting of cross-border civilian targets:

• attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;
• attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;
• kidnapping or hostage taking;
• causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;
• seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;
• manufacture, possession, acquisition, transport, supply or use of weapons, explosives or of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons, as well as research into, and development of, biological and chemical weapons;
• release of dangerous substances, or causing fires, floods or explosions the effect of which is to endanger human life;
• threatening to commit any of the hostile acts

INFORMATIONALS

Egypt Destroys Over 500 Tunnels Under Gaza Border

The 521 tunnels– believed to be primarily used for smuggling weapons, facilitating clandestine movement ... tunnel networks following information that Palestinian terror group Hamas was likely coordinating with Islamist …​

Breitbart News · 4 hours ago

Hamas Using Truce to Prepare for Next Clash With Israel

Due to Egypt’s stringent policy of destroying smuggling tunnels, Hamas is not able to smuggle weapons in from outside ... and an old-new friend has reappeared: Iran.Hamas and Tehran reestablished ties this year …​

The Algemeiner · 5/19/2015

Israel Stops Smuggling Boat, Arrests 3 Hamas Operatives

During interrogation, the three suspects provided "detailed information" on prior weapons smuggling and explained how Hamas uses fisherman and smugglers to transport material for weapons production to the Gaza Strip. Smuggling attempts by sea has …​

The Christian Broadcasting Network · 2/12/2015

When does Israel plan to lift the siege on Gaza?

When does Israel plan to leave the Jordan Valley?

(COMMENT)

The issue of settlements is a matter that is suppose to be resolved via the dispute resolution agreement outlined in the Oslo Accords.

OSLO I Article XV

RESOLUTION OF DISPUTES
1. Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Declaration of Principles, or any subsequent agreements pertaining to the interim period, shall be resolved by negotiations through the Joint Liaison Committee to be established pursuant to Article X above.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be resolved by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed upon by the parties.

3. The parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both parties, the parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

OSLO II ARTICLE XXI

Settlement of Differences and Disputes

Any difference relating to the application of this Agreement shall be referred to the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism established under this Agreement. The provisions of Article XV of the DOP shall apply to any such difference which is not settled through the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism, namely:

1.Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Agreement or any related agreements pertaining to the interim shall be settled through the Liaison Committee.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be settled by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed between the Parties.

3. The Parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both Parties, the Parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

It should be noted that the Islamic Resistance Movement indicated in its 2013 Political Position Paper, that sovereignty over the entire territory is demanded: "Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, we may not a waiver an inch or any part thereof, no matter what the reasons and circumstances and pressures." This essentially means the dismantlement of the Jewish State of Israel; as established under the UN Partition Plan. This is not unlike the threat base correspondence of 1948 by the Arab Higher Committee:

It should be noted that the Arab Higher Committee (as the aggressor as part of the Aggressor Force in 1948) was the last Arab Palestinian organization that stipulated the end of the conflict: "In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:" When will it end:

• • 
    (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

Most Respectfully,
R

Oslo, blah, blah, blah.

Oslo is dead.