Palestinian Peace Proposal

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OH, come now. You play this border game whenever you lose control of the discussion.

The State of Israel (1948/49) was recognized by the UN before the State of Palestine (1988). By Treaty, the international border between Egypt and Israel is one strike against you. Another strike is that the PLO Declared Independence and the UN recognizes the state in the territory occupied in 1967.

All third grade name calling aside, there is no border between Gaza and Israel. They are the same place.

(COMMENT)

They are not the same place. They are (today) separately recognized entities; one sovereign and one in the stage of becoming sovereign.

While the territory to which the Mandate for Palestine applied, encloses the State of Israel and Gaza, Palestine was not a sovereign state. "The 1967 border is the internationally-recognized border between Israel and the oPt; according to the PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department.

You are now --- and have been, for some time, sensitive about the designation of "terrorist."

While many European diplomats resent the designation of Hamas, pointing to the group's dominance of the Gaza Strip and its centrality to regional events, the EU will likely work assiduously to reinstate the designation for two reasons: first, to protect its designation regime from further legal challenges and defend the Council's original ban on Hamas, and second, to prevent an inherently apolitical, independent judicial action from damaging the prospects for peace and stability in the Middle East. The very same day the EU court issues its judgment, the UN Security Council is expected to vote on a Palestinian resolution setting a November 2016 deadline for outlining a final Israeli-Palestinian peace deal, including Israeli withdrawal from lands sought for a Palestinian state. These two actions will be seen by many, especially in Israel, as intertwined. And Hamas will no doubt point to the decision as vindication of its claim that it is not a terrorist group -- its recent kidnappings, rocket salvos, and tunnel attacks notwithstanding. Source; Washington Institute​

In General the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades [the military wing of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS)], have conducted many Jihadist and terrorist attacks including large-scale suicide bombings, kidnaping and murder on both Israeli civilian and military targets. HAMAS official policy is that Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine --- as they define it be as from the River to the Sea. That makes HAMAS a state which support terrorism. The EU Court ruling (62010TA0400: Case T-400/10: Judgment of the General Court of 17 December 2014) under the political pressure and terrorist intimidation, made the judgement it did --- because of the inclusion as part of the Palestinian Unity Government and the threats (by HAMAS officials) against European countries that supported the designation. By lifting it from the designated terrorist list, it allows for the continuation of negotiations without violating the principle that Diplomatic Missions do not negotiate with terrorists. The EU Court does not suggest HAMAS does not support, active or passive, to entities or persons involved in terrorist acts, including by suppressing recruitment of members of terrorist groups and eliminating the supply of weapons to terrorists. On the contrary, HAMAS itself admits as much. The EU Court in NO WAY absolves or finds in favor of HAMAS on the matter of its:

• Seriously intimidating a population,
• Unduly compelling a Government or international organisation to perform or abstain from performing any act, or
• Seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organisation,

(a) attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;

(b) attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;

(c) kidnapping or hostage taking;

(d) causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;

(e) seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;​

The simple fact is, that the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), and its associates have an extensive history of behaviors and self admission that they perform these acts to intimidate the UN Assembly, and EU membership into oppressing Israel in its efforts to hold and maintain it's statehood, preserving it culture and heritage, and protect its citizens against the savagery and barbarity by which the Islamic Resistance Movement define themselves.

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Most Respectfully,
R

HAMAS official policy is that Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine...​

What would you suggest to liberate Palestine?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Obviously, you didn't read the findings.

The court ruled in favor of Hamas because the designation was bogus. My guess is that it is the same everyplace. Bogus.

(COMMENT)

So, you are saying that the designation is "bogus" because the Palestinians, in general, and the Islamic Resistance Movement has never:

• Seriously intimidating a population,
• Unduly compelling a Government or international organisation to perform or abstain from performing any act, or
• Seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organisation,

(a) attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;

(b) attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;

(c) kidnapping or hostage taking;

(d) causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;

(e) seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;​

And you are say that still today, that HAMAS did not: "Torture and Kill fellow Palestinians" during the 2014 Engagement?

You are saying that Two Palestinian, armed with a gun, axes and knives did not murdered four worshippers during the morning prayer service in a synagogue?

You are saying that HAMAS Members did not kidnap and murder three teenagers?

You're telling me that Palestinian Authority Arab DID NOT hurled firebombs and rocks at Israeli school bus and soldiers in at least two different locations in Samaria Thursday, causing light injuries to a soldier. --- While Hamas attacked an Israeli school bus Thursday. An anti-tank rocket struck the bus, seriously wounding a 16-year-old boy and injuring the driver.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Obviously, you didn't read the findings.

The court ruled in favor of Hamas because the designation was bogus. My guess is that it is the same everyplace. Bogus.

(COMMENT)

So, you are saying that the designation is "bogus" because the Palestinians, in general, and the Islamic Resistance Movement has never:

• Seriously intimidating a population,
• Unduly compelling a Government or international organisation to perform or abstain from performing any act, or
• Seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organisation,

(a) attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;

(b) attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;

(c) kidnapping or hostage taking;

(d) causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;

(e) seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;​

And you are say that still today, that HAMAS did not: "Torture and Kill fellow Palestinians" during the 2014 Engagement?

You are saying that Two Palestinian, armed with a gun, axes and knives did not murdered four worshippers during the morning prayer service in a synagogue?

You are saying that HAMAS Members did not kidnap and murder three teenagers?

You're telling me that Palestinian Authority Arab DID NOT hurled firebombs and rocks at Israeli school bus and soldiers in at least two different locations in Samaria Thursday, causing light injuries to a soldier. --- While Hamas attacked an Israeli school bus Thursday. An anti-tank rocket struck the bus, seriously wounding a 16-year-old boy and injuring the driver.

Most Respectfully,
R

Drop in the bucket compared to Israel's aggression.

Hamas attacks in Palestine.

Israel attacks in Palestine.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OH yes... The fact that you have to ask what the right thing to do --- explains the confusion. Jihad is NEVER the right thing to do.

HAMAS official policy is that Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine...

What would you suggest to liberate Palestine?

(COMMENT)

Follow the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States; to include:

• Refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations,
• Refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States.
• Refrain from organizing, instigating, assisting or participating in acts of civil strife or terrorist acts in another State or acquiescing in organized activities within its territory directed towards the commission of such acts, when the acts referred to in the present paragraph involve a threat or use of force.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OH yes... The fact that you have to ask what the right thing to do --- explains the confusion. Jihad is NEVER the right thing to do.

HAMAS official policy is that Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine...

What would you suggest to liberate Palestine?

(COMMENT)

Follow the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States; to include:

• Refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations,
• Refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States.
• Refrain from organizing, instigating, assisting or participating in acts of civil strife or terrorist acts in another State or acquiescing in organized activities within its territory directed towards the commission of such acts, when the acts referred to in the present paragraph involve a threat or use of force.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are ducking the question.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The category of defensive" cannot be justified is the State supports armed conflict against a member nation, or supports jihadist action. Nor can defensive be considered a justification when the military wing is of the state is a designated terrorist organization.

(COMMENT)

You cannot declare a Chapter VII, Article 51, defense when the state is firing rockets and mortars across its borders (into another member nations sovereignty) and making armed incursions into another sovereignty to commit acts of war, kidnaping and murder in violation of international customary law or in violation of humanitarian law.

Most Respectfully,
R

All third grade name calling aside, there is no border between Gaza and Israel. They are the same place.

Gaza is part of Palestine. There is no border because there has not been a peace agreements yet.

Are you pretending to be dumb?

You don't understand what you just said.

You can go from Palestine Gaza to Palestine West Bank without crossing any border. Interesting dat.

Yo DO have to cross a border, which is guarded by Israel. You;re getting mixed up between 'borders' and 'permanent internationally recognized boundaries' (the ladder of which the 'Palestinians' don't have.
You're talking as if you can freely go into Gaza from Israel or from Israel into the West Bank (and Vice Versa).

Kerem Shalom border crossing - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Border crossing,

Just say so. There are no borders there.

As usual, I prove my statements and refute yours, while you have nothing

 

[P F Tinmore]

All third grade name calling aside, there is no border between Gaza and Israel. They are the same place.

Gaza is part of Palestine. There is no border because there has not been a peace agreements yet.

Are you pretending to be dumb?

You don't understand what you just said.

You can go from Palestine Gaza to Palestine West Bank without crossing any border. Interesting dat.

Yo DO have to cross a border, which is guarded by Israel. You;re getting mixed up between 'borders' and 'permanent internationally recognized boundaries' (the ladder of which the 'Palestinians' don't have.
You're talking as if you can freely go into Gaza from Israel or from Israel into the West Bank (and Vice Versa).

Kerem Shalom border crossing - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Border crossing,

Just say so. There are no borders there.

As usual, I prove my statements and refute yours, while you have nothing

Say so doesn't prove anything.

 

[toastman]

Gaza is part of Palestine. There is no border because there has not been a peace agreements yet.

Are you pretending to be dumb?

You don't understand what you just said.

You can go from Palestine Gaza to Palestine West Bank without crossing any border. Interesting dat.

Yo DO have to cross a border, which is guarded by Israel. You;re getting mixed up between 'borders' and 'permanent internationally recognized boundaries' (the ladder of which the 'Palestinians' don't have.
You're talking as if you can freely go into Gaza from Israel or from Israel into the West Bank (and Vice Versa).

Kerem Shalom border crossing - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Border crossing,

Just say so. There are no borders there.

As usual, I prove my statements and refute yours, while you have nothing

Say so doesn't prove anything.

Like I said, I provide links, you provide zilch. You're not too good at this whole debating thing.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OH, come now. You play this border game whenever you lose control of the discussion.

The State of Israel (1948/49) was recognized by the UN before the State of Palestine (1988). By Treaty, the international border between Egypt and Israel is one strike against you. Another strike is that the PLO Declared Independence and the UN recognizes the state in the territory occupied in 1967.

All third grade name calling aside, there is no border between Gaza and Israel. They are the same place.

(COMMENT)

They are not the same place. They are (today) separately recognized entities; one sovereign and one in the stage of becoming sovereign.

While the territory to which the Mandate for Palestine applied, encloses the State of Israel and Gaza, Palestine was not a sovereign state. "The 1967 border is the internationally-recognized border between Israel and the oPt; according to the PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department.

You are now --- and have been, for some time, sensitive about the designation of "terrorist."

While many European diplomats resent the designation of Hamas, pointing to the group's dominance of the Gaza Strip and its centrality to regional events, the EU will likely work assiduously to reinstate the designation for two reasons: first, to protect its designation regime from further legal challenges and defend the Council's original ban on Hamas, and second, to prevent an inherently apolitical, independent judicial action from damaging the prospects for peace and stability in the Middle East. The very same day the EU court issues its judgment, the UN Security Council is expected to vote on a Palestinian resolution setting a November 2016 deadline for outlining a final Israeli-Palestinian peace deal, including Israeli withdrawal from lands sought for a Palestinian state. These two actions will be seen by many, especially in Israel, as intertwined. And Hamas will no doubt point to the decision as vindication of its claim that it is not a terrorist group -- its recent kidnappings, rocket salvos, and tunnel attacks notwithstanding. Source; Washington Institute​

In General the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades [the military wing of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS)], have conducted many Jihadist and terrorist attacks including large-scale suicide bombings, kidnaping and murder on both Israeli civilian and military targets. HAMAS official policy is that Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine --- as they define it be as from the River to the Sea. That makes HAMAS a state which support terrorism. The EU Court ruling (62010TA0400: Case T-400/10: Judgment of the General Court of 17 December 2014) under the political pressure and terrorist intimidation, made the judgement it did --- because of the inclusion as part of the Palestinian Unity Government and the threats (by HAMAS officials) against European countries that supported the designation. By lifting it from the designated terrorist list, it allows for the continuation of negotiations without violating the principle that Diplomatic Missions do not negotiate with terrorists. The EU Court does not suggest HAMAS does not support, active or passive, to entities or persons involved in terrorist acts, including by suppressing recruitment of members of terrorist groups and eliminating the supply of weapons to terrorists. On the contrary, HAMAS itself admits as much. The EU Court in NO WAY absolves or finds in favor of HAMAS on the matter of its:

• Seriously intimidating a population,
• Unduly compelling a Government or international organisation to perform or abstain from performing any act, or
• Seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organisation,

(a) attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;

(b) attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;

(c) kidnapping or hostage taking;

(d) causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;

(e) seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;​

The simple fact is, that the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), and its associates have an extensive history of behaviors and self admission that they perform these acts to intimidate the UN Assembly, and EU membership into oppressing Israel in its efforts to hold and maintain it's statehood, preserving it culture and heritage, and protect its citizens against the savagery and barbarity by which the Islamic Resistance Movement define themselves.

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Amnesty said those targeted were either political rivals of Hamas, including members of the Fatah party of ... of rockets at Israel and fought three wars with the Jewish state. According to official U.N. figures, over 2,200 …
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Hamas tortured and killed Palestinians during 2014 Gaza war, according to Amnesty International
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Hamas accused of torturing, executing Palestinians

Most Respectfully,
R

The court ruled in favor of Hamas because the designation was bogus. My guess is that it is the same everyplace. Bogus.

What has Hamas done for the Palestinian people since coming into power?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OH yes... The fact that you have to ask what the right thing to do --- explains the confusion. Jihad is NEVER the right thing to do.

HAMAS official policy is that Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine...

What would you suggest to liberate Palestine?

(COMMENT)

Follow the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States; to include:

• Refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations,
• Refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States.
• Refrain from organizing, instigating, assisting or participating in acts of civil strife or terrorist acts in another State or acquiescing in organized activities within its territory directed towards the commission of such acts, when the acts referred to in the present paragraph involve a threat or use of force.

Most Respectfully,
R

Follow the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States; to include:​

An occupation is not a friendly relation.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You don't understand what you just said.

You can go from Palestine Gaza to Palestine West Bank without crossing any border. Interesting dat.

Yo DO have to cross a border, which is guarded by Israel. You;re getting mixed up between 'borders' and 'permanent internationally recognized boundaries' (the ladder of which the 'Palestinians' don't have.
You're talking as if you can freely go into Gaza from Israel or from Israel into the West Bank (and Vice Versa).

Kerem Shalom border crossing - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Border crossing,

Just say so. There are no borders there.

As usual, I prove my statements and refute yours, while you have nothing

Say so doesn't prove anything.

Like I said, I provide links, you provide zilch. You're not too good at this whole debating thing.

You provide links to say so.

 

[toastman]

Yo DO have to cross a border, which is guarded by Israel. You;re getting mixed up between 'borders' and 'permanent internationally recognized boundaries' (the ladder of which the 'Palestinians' don't have.
You're talking as if you can freely go into Gaza from Israel or from Israel into the West Bank (and Vice Versa).

Kerem Shalom border crossing - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Border crossing,

Just say so. There are no borders there.

As usual, I prove my statements and refute yours, while you have nothing

Say so doesn't prove anything.

Like I said, I provide links, you provide zilch. You're not too good at this whole debating thing.

You provide links to say so.

I provide links to back up my statements perfectly.

What have you provided?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are being somewhat naive here.

Drop in the bucket compared to Israel's aggression.

(COMMENT)

No conflict is based on a one-for-one death to determine the victor of the conflict. That is simply foolish logic. Each opponent in the combat engagement attempts to dispatch the opponent in a decisive manner.

By "drop in the bucket" --- you are complementing the Israeli Defensive response which protects its citizens better and dispatches its opponents in greater numbers.

Hamas attacks in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

No, absolutely incorrect. HAMAS made its attacks against the Sovereign State of Israel, as recognized by A/RES/273 (III) 11 May 1949; and not the territory under the mandate. This is as I stated previously, this is merely an attempt by Palestinians to intentionally circumventing the intent of diplomatic principles and international laws or policies.

Israel attacks in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

Again, this is an attempt to intentionally circumventing the concept intent of diplomatic principles and international laws or policies. Israel was defending its sovereignty and its citizenry under Chapter VII, Article 51 of the UN Charter; (Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security); to wit --- acts of aggression as defined by Definition of Aggression (Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations, as set out in this Definition.).

In the case of "Hamas attacks in Palestine;" this is a variation on the Palestinian Theme that "Palestine exists from the river to the sea." If it were true, then it would be, at least by now, a theme that describes a civil war. But it is not true. Israel was established in accordance with the "Step Preparatory to Independence" as adopted by the General Assembly. Without regard to the argument of borders, for which is contentious even within the Palestinian convoluted government, Israel has established sovereign control and established its borders.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

No duck here at all. None at all.

P F Tinmore, et al,

OH yes... The fact that you have to ask what the right thing to do --- explains the confusion. Jihad is NEVER the right thing to do.

HAMAS official policy is that Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine...

What would you suggest to liberate Palestine?

(COMMENT)

Follow the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States; to include:

• Refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations,
• Refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States.
• Refrain from organizing, instigating, assisting or participating in acts of civil strife or terrorist acts in another State or acquiescing in organized activities within its territory directed towards the commission of such acts, when the acts referred to in the present paragraph involve a threat or use of force.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are ducking the question.

(COMMENT)

Q: What would you suggest to liberate Palestine?
A: Follow the principles in the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States!

The Palestinians have already decided that Jihad is the solution. So be it. But remember it is an act of war; a war the Palestinians will not win.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are not following the principles.

Follow the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States; to include:

An occupation is not a friendly relation.

(COMMENT)

The "Occupation" existed before the State of Palestine existed.

Defending Israeli sovereignty, it in accordance with the Charter.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Obviously, you didn't read the findings.

The court ruled in favor of Hamas because the designation was bogus. My guess is that it is the same everyplace. Bogus.

(COMMENT)

So, you are saying that the designation is "bogus" because the Palestinians, in general, and the Islamic Resistance Movement has never:

• Seriously intimidating a population,
• Unduly compelling a Government or international organisation to perform or abstain from performing any act, or
• Seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organisation,

(a) attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;

(b) attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;

(c) kidnapping or hostage taking;

(d) causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;

(e) seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;​

And you are say that still today, that HAMAS did not: "Torture and Kill fellow Palestinians" during the 2014 Engagement?

You are saying that Two Palestinian, armed with a gun, axes and knives did not murdered four worshippers during the morning prayer service in a synagogue?

You are saying that HAMAS Members did not kidnap and murder three teenagers?

You're telling me that Palestinian Authority Arab DID NOT hurled firebombs and rocks at Israeli school bus and soldiers in at least two different locations in Samaria Thursday, causing light injuries to a soldier. --- While Hamas attacked an Israeli school bus Thursday. An anti-tank rocket struck the bus, seriously wounding a 16-year-old boy and injuring the driver.

Most Respectfully,
R

Drop in the bucket compared to Israel's aggression.

Hamas attacks in Palestine.

Israel attacks in Palestine.

You truly are an idiot. Palestine is the West Bank and Gaza, no matter how much you refuse to believe it.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are being somewhat naive here.

Drop in the bucket compared to Israel's aggression.

(COMMENT)

No conflict is based on a one-for-one death to determine the victor of the conflict. That is simply foolish logic. Each opponent in the combat engagement attempts to dispatch the opponent in a decisive manner.

By "drop in the bucket" --- you are complementing the Israeli Defensive response which protects its citizens better and dispatches its opponents in greater numbers.

Hamas attacks in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

No, absolutely incorrect. HAMAS made its attacks against the Sovereign State of Israel, as recognized by A/RES/273 (III) 11 May 1949; and not the territory under the mandate. This is as I stated previously, this is merely an attempt by Palestinians to intentionally circumventing the intent of diplomatic principles and international laws or policies.

Israel attacks in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

Again, this is an attempt to intentionally circumventing the concept intent of diplomatic principles and international laws or policies. Israel was defending its sovereignty and its citizenry under Chapter VII, Article 51 of the UN Charter; (Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security); to wit --- acts of aggression as defined by Definition of Aggression (Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations, as set out in this Definition.).

In the case of "Hamas attacks in Palestine;" this is a variation on the Palestinian Theme that "Palestine exists from the river to the sea." If it were true, then it would be, at least by now, a theme that describes a civil war. But it is not true. Israel was established in accordance with the "Step Preparatory to Independence" as adopted by the General Assembly. Without regard to the argument of borders, for which is contentious even within the Palestinian convoluted government, Israel has established sovereign control and established its borders.

Most Respectfully,
R

Why you bother posting all this for such an ignorant person like Tinmore is beyond me.

He doesn't even know what Palestine is

 

[Hossfly]

P F Tinmore, et al,

No duck here at all. None at all.

P F Tinmore, et al,

OH yes... The fact that you have to ask what the right thing to do --- explains the confusion. Jihad is NEVER the right thing to do.

HAMAS official policy is that Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine...

What would you suggest to liberate Palestine?

(COMMENT)

Follow the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States; to include:

• Refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations,
• Refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States.
• Refrain from organizing, instigating, assisting or participating in acts of civil strife or terrorist acts in another State or acquiescing in organized activities within its territory directed towards the commission of such acts, when the acts referred to in the present paragraph involve a threat or use of force.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are ducking the question.

(COMMENT)

Q: What would you suggest to liberate Palestine?
A: Follow the principles in the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States!

The Palestinians have already decided that Jihad is the solution. So be it. But remember it is an act of war; a war the Palestinians will not win.

Most Respectfully,
R

This should fortify your last statement, Rocco.


Palestinian Authority (PA) Chairman Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah faction marked "Nakba" day - signifying the "catastrophe" of the establishment of the modern state of Israel - by calling for terrorism to destroy Israel and conquer the state as the "only" way.

In a post on the official Facebook page of Fatah on May 14 in time for Nakba day, translated and revealed by Palestinian Media Watch (PMW) on Sunday, a message read, "what was taken by force can only be regained by force, the 67th anniversary of the Nakba."

The words accompanied an image showing the number 67 in Arabic numerals, with the digit 7 formed out of an image of a key indicating the "keys" to Arab homes allegedly taken by Israel, along with a rifle, and amap showing the entire state of Israel, including both sides of the 1949 Armistice lines. This, despite Fatah's ambiguous statements indicating apparent support for a two-state solution.


Abbas s Fatah Calls to Conquer Israel By Force - Middle East - News - Arutz Sheva

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are being somewhat naive here.

Drop in the bucket compared to Israel's aggression.

(COMMENT)

No conflict is based on a one-for-one death to determine the victor of the conflict. That is simply foolish logic. Each opponent in the combat engagement attempts to dispatch the opponent in a decisive manner.

By "drop in the bucket" --- you are complementing the Israeli Defensive response which protects its citizens better and dispatches its opponents in greater numbers.

Hamas attacks in Palestine.

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No, absolutely incorrect. HAMAS made its attacks against the Sovereign State of Israel, as recognized by A/RES/273 (III) 11 May 1949; and not the territory under the mandate. This is as I stated previously, this is merely an attempt by Palestinians to intentionally circumventing the intent of diplomatic principles and international laws or policies.

Israel attacks in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

Again, this is an attempt to intentionally circumventing the concept intent of diplomatic principles and international laws or policies. Israel was defending its sovereignty and its citizenry under Chapter VII, Article 51 of the UN Charter; (Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security); to wit --- acts of aggression as defined by Definition of Aggression (Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations, as set out in this Definition.).

In the case of "Hamas attacks in Palestine;" this is a variation on the Palestinian Theme that "Palestine exists from the river to the sea." If it were true, then it would be, at least by now, a theme that describes a civil war. But it is not true. Israel was established in accordance with the "Step Preparatory to Independence" as adopted by the General Assembly. Without regard to the argument of borders, for which is contentious even within the Palestinian convoluted government, Israel has established sovereign control and established its borders.

Most Respectfully,
R

In the case of "Hamas attacks in Palestine;" this is a variation on the Palestinian Theme that "Palestine exists from the river to the sea."​

Do you have anything to prove otherwise?

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are being somewhat naive here.

Drop in the bucket compared to Israel's aggression.

(COMMENT)

No conflict is based on a one-for-one death to determine the victor of the conflict. That is simply foolish logic. Each opponent in the combat engagement attempts to dispatch the opponent in a decisive manner.

By "drop in the bucket" --- you are complementing the Israeli Defensive response which protects its citizens better and dispatches its opponents in greater numbers.

Hamas attacks in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

No, absolutely incorrect. HAMAS made its attacks against the Sovereign State of Israel, as recognized by A/RES/273 (III) 11 May 1949; and not the territory under the mandate. This is as I stated previously, this is merely an attempt by Palestinians to intentionally circumventing the intent of diplomatic principles and international laws or policies.

Israel attacks in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

Again, this is an attempt to intentionally circumventing the concept intent of diplomatic principles and international laws or policies. Israel was defending its sovereignty and its citizenry under Chapter VII, Article 51 of the UN Charter; (Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security); to wit --- acts of aggression as defined by Definition of Aggression (Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations, as set out in this Definition.).

In the case of "Hamas attacks in Palestine;" this is a variation on the Palestinian Theme that "Palestine exists from the river to the sea." If it were true, then it would be, at least by now, a theme that describes a civil war. But it is not true. Israel was established in accordance with the "Step Preparatory to Independence" as adopted by the General Assembly. Without regard to the argument of borders, for which is contentious even within the Palestinian convoluted government, Israel has established sovereign control and established its borders.

Most Respectfully,
R

In the case of "Hamas attacks in Palestine;" this is a variation on the Palestinian Theme that "Palestine exists from the river to the sea."​

Do you have anything to prove otherwise?

What the hell is wrong with you????