Palestinian Peace Proposal

[MJB12741]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you are misusing the term "siege." A "siege" is used in the offense with the intent to prevent conquer by attrition or assault --- during wartime. In the case of GAZA, the applicable term is containment and the establishment of a security barrier to prevent:

It is understood that: small arms and light weapons (SALW) are broadly used by many different groups including but not limited to militaries, gangs and terrorist organisations, --- including Palestinian terrorist Organizations, Islamic Resistance Movements and Militant activities, and generalized Jihadist and Fedayeen.

Noting that the main factors, which influence the illicit trade of small arms and light weapons, are:

a)weak border control
b)cross-border smuggling
c)The black Market
d)The demand for arms
e)The poor monitoring of the trade of small arms and light weapons,​

It have become necessary to contain the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) from obtaining SALW to further the official hostile agenda through the infiltration and exfiltration of asymmetric elements to pursue the targeting of cross-border civilian targets:

• attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;
• attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;
• kidnapping or hostage taking;
• causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;
• seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;
• manufacture, possession, acquisition, transport, supply or use of weapons, explosives or of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons, as well as research into, and development of, biological and chemical weapons;
• release of dangerous substances, or causing fires, floods or explosions the effect of which is to endanger human life;
• threatening to commit any of the hostile acts

INFORMATIONALS

Egypt Destroys Over 500 Tunnels Under Gaza Border

The 521 tunnels– believed to be primarily used for smuggling weapons, facilitating clandestine movement ... tunnel networks following information that Palestinian terror group Hamas was likely coordinating with Islamist …​

Breitbart News · 4 hours ago

Hamas Using Truce to Prepare for Next Clash With Israel

Due to Egypt’s stringent policy of destroying smuggling tunnels, Hamas is not able to smuggle weapons in from outside ... and an old-new friend has reappeared: Iran.Hamas and Tehran reestablished ties this year …​

The Algemeiner · 5/19/2015

Israel Stops Smuggling Boat, Arrests 3 Hamas Operatives

During interrogation, the three suspects provided "detailed information" on prior weapons smuggling and explained how Hamas uses fisherman and smugglers to transport material for weapons production to the Gaza Strip. Smuggling attempts by sea has …​

The Christian Broadcasting Network · 2/12/2015

When does Israel plan to lift the siege on Gaza?

When does Israel plan to leave the Jordan Valley?

(COMMENT)

The issue of settlements is a matter that is suppose to be resolved via the dispute resolution agreement outlined in the Oslo Accords.

OSLO I Article XV

RESOLUTION OF DISPUTES
1. Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Declaration of Principles, or any subsequent agreements pertaining to the interim period, shall be resolved by negotiations through the Joint Liaison Committee to be established pursuant to Article X above.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be resolved by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed upon by the parties.

3. The parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both parties, the parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

OSLO II ARTICLE XXI

Settlement of Differences and Disputes

Any difference relating to the application of this Agreement shall be referred to the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism established under this Agreement. The provisions of Article XV of the DOP shall apply to any such difference which is not settled through the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism, namely:

1.Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Agreement or any related agreements pertaining to the interim shall be settled through the Liaison Committee.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be settled by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed between the Parties.

3. The Parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both Parties, the Parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

It should be noted that the Islamic Resistance Movement indicated in its 2013 Political Position Paper, that sovereignty over the entire territory is demanded: "Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, we may not a waiver an inch or any part thereof, no matter what the reasons and circumstances and pressures." This essentially means the dismantlement of the Jewish State of Israel; as established under the UN Partition Plan. This is not unlike the threat base correspondence of 1948 by the Arab Higher Committee:

It should be noted that the Arab Higher Committee (as the aggressor as part of the Aggressor Force in 1948) was the last Arab Palestinian organization that stipulated the end of the conflict: "In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:" When will it end:

• • 
    (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

Most Respectfully,
R

The 521 tunnels– believed to be primarily used for smuggling weapons,​

Smuggling is the term for importing illegally.

It is not illegal for Palestine to import weapons.

In this case "smuggling" is a propaganda term.

Those Zionists just don't get it. You see folks, the Palestinians are "importing weapons" to protect & defend Israel. Silly Zionists.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

In this case, they are talking about the positive aspects of establishing Friendly relations and Co-operation between the two states (A/RES/2625).

How do you "normalize" an occupation?

What Israeli policies do they change?

(COMMENT)

Full normalization would ultimately lead to the termination of the Belligerent Occupation and the establishment of formal diplomatic relations under general accepted practices.

But, there are still powerful forces that would prefer that Israel and the Palestinians not achieve such a level.

Most Respectfully,
R

You don't normalize an occupation. You eliminate the occupation.

Israel has made it clear that they will never allow the occupation to end.

LINK from a non partisan and truthfull site

When does Israel plan to lift the siege on Gaza?

When does Israel plan to leave the Jordan Valley?

When hamas stops firing illegal rockets at Israeli children and agrees to peace talks and mutual borders

When Jordan tells them they are no longer needed to police it for them

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you are misusing the term "siege." A "siege" is used in the offense with the intent to prevent conquer by attrition or assault --- during wartime. In the case of GAZA, the applicable term is containment and the establishment of a security barrier to prevent:

It is understood that: small arms and light weapons (SALW) are broadly used by many different groups including but not limited to militaries, gangs and terrorist organisations, --- including Palestinian terrorist Organizations, Islamic Resistance Movements and Militant activities, and generalized Jihadist and Fedayeen.

Noting that the main factors, which influence the illicit trade of small arms and light weapons, are:

a)weak border control
b)cross-border smuggling
c)The black Market
d)The demand for arms
e)The poor monitoring of the trade of small arms and light weapons,​

It have become necessary to contain the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) from obtaining SALW to further the official hostile agenda through the infiltration and exfiltration of asymmetric elements to pursue the targeting of cross-border civilian targets:

• attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;
• attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;
• kidnapping or hostage taking;
• causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;
• seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;
• manufacture, possession, acquisition, transport, supply or use of weapons, explosives or of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons, as well as research into, and development of, biological and chemical weapons;
• release of dangerous substances, or causing fires, floods or explosions the effect of which is to endanger human life;
• threatening to commit any of the hostile acts

INFORMATIONALS

Egypt Destroys Over 500 Tunnels Under Gaza Border

The 521 tunnels– believed to be primarily used for smuggling weapons, facilitating clandestine movement ... tunnel networks following information that Palestinian terror group Hamas was likely coordinating with Islamist …​

Breitbart News · 4 hours ago

Hamas Using Truce to Prepare for Next Clash With Israel

Due to Egypt’s stringent policy of destroying smuggling tunnels, Hamas is not able to smuggle weapons in from outside ... and an old-new friend has reappeared: Iran.Hamas and Tehran reestablished ties this year …​

The Algemeiner · 5/19/2015

Israel Stops Smuggling Boat, Arrests 3 Hamas Operatives

During interrogation, the three suspects provided "detailed information" on prior weapons smuggling and explained how Hamas uses fisherman and smugglers to transport material for weapons production to the Gaza Strip. Smuggling attempts by sea has …​

The Christian Broadcasting Network · 2/12/2015

When does Israel plan to lift the siege on Gaza?

When does Israel plan to leave the Jordan Valley?

(COMMENT)

The issue of settlements is a matter that is suppose to be resolved via the dispute resolution agreement outlined in the Oslo Accords.

OSLO I Article XV

RESOLUTION OF DISPUTES
1. Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Declaration of Principles, or any subsequent agreements pertaining to the interim period, shall be resolved by negotiations through the Joint Liaison Committee to be established pursuant to Article X above.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be resolved by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed upon by the parties.

3. The parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both parties, the parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

OSLO II ARTICLE XXI

Settlement of Differences and Disputes

Any difference relating to the application of this Agreement shall be referred to the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism established under this Agreement. The provisions of Article XV of the DOP shall apply to any such difference which is not settled through the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism, namely:

1.Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Agreement or any related agreements pertaining to the interim shall be settled through the Liaison Committee.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be settled by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed between the Parties.

3. The Parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both Parties, the Parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

It should be noted that the Islamic Resistance Movement indicated in its 2013 Political Position Paper, that sovereignty over the entire territory is demanded: "Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, we may not a waiver an inch or any part thereof, no matter what the reasons and circumstances and pressures." This essentially means the dismantlement of the Jewish State of Israel; as established under the UN Partition Plan. This is not unlike the threat base correspondence of 1948 by the Arab Higher Committee:

It should be noted that the Arab Higher Committee (as the aggressor as part of the Aggressor Force in 1948) was the last Arab Palestinian organization that stipulated the end of the conflict: "In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:" When will it end:

• • 
    (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

Most Respectfully,
R

Noting

that the main factors, which influence the illicit trade of small arms and light weapons, are:

a)weak border control
b)cross-border smuggling
c)The black Market
d)The demand for arms
e)The poor monitoring of the trade of small arms and light weapons,​

What do you mean by illicit? It is legal for Palestinians to import an manufacture arms.

Yes when they are to be used for illegal purposes like attacking children to force a responce

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you are misusing the term "siege." A "siege" is used in the offense with the intent to prevent conquer by attrition or assault --- during wartime. In the case of GAZA, the applicable term is containment and the establishment of a security barrier to prevent:

It is understood that: small arms and light weapons (SALW) are broadly used by many different groups including but not limited to militaries, gangs and terrorist organisations, --- including Palestinian terrorist Organizations, Islamic Resistance Movements and Militant activities, and generalized Jihadist and Fedayeen.

Noting that the main factors, which influence the illicit trade of small arms and light weapons, are:

a)weak border control
b)cross-border smuggling
c)The black Market
d)The demand for arms
e)The poor monitoring of the trade of small arms and light weapons,​

It have become necessary to contain the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) from obtaining SALW to further the official hostile agenda through the infiltration and exfiltration of asymmetric elements to pursue the targeting of cross-border civilian targets:

• attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;
• attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;
• kidnapping or hostage taking;
• causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;
• seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;
• manufacture, possession, acquisition, transport, supply or use of weapons, explosives or of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons, as well as research into, and development of, biological and chemical weapons;
• release of dangerous substances, or causing fires, floods or explosions the effect of which is to endanger human life;
• threatening to commit any of the hostile acts

INFORMATIONALS

Egypt Destroys Over 500 Tunnels Under Gaza Border

The 521 tunnels– believed to be primarily used for smuggling weapons, facilitating clandestine movement ... tunnel networks following information that Palestinian terror group Hamas was likely coordinating with Islamist …​

Breitbart News · 4 hours ago

Hamas Using Truce to Prepare for Next Clash With Israel

Due to Egypt’s stringent policy of destroying smuggling tunnels, Hamas is not able to smuggle weapons in from outside ... and an old-new friend has reappeared: Iran.Hamas and Tehran reestablished ties this year …​

The Algemeiner · 5/19/2015

Israel Stops Smuggling Boat, Arrests 3 Hamas Operatives

During interrogation, the three suspects provided "detailed information" on prior weapons smuggling and explained how Hamas uses fisherman and smugglers to transport material for weapons production to the Gaza Strip. Smuggling attempts by sea has …​

The Christian Broadcasting Network · 2/12/2015

When does Israel plan to lift the siege on Gaza?

When does Israel plan to leave the Jordan Valley?

(COMMENT)

The issue of settlements is a matter that is suppose to be resolved via the dispute resolution agreement outlined in the Oslo Accords.

OSLO I Article XV

RESOLUTION OF DISPUTES
1. Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Declaration of Principles, or any subsequent agreements pertaining to the interim period, shall be resolved by negotiations through the Joint Liaison Committee to be established pursuant to Article X above.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be resolved by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed upon by the parties.

3. The parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both parties, the parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

OSLO II ARTICLE XXI

Settlement of Differences and Disputes

Any difference relating to the application of this Agreement shall be referred to the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism established under this Agreement. The provisions of Article XV of the DOP shall apply to any such difference which is not settled through the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism, namely:

1.Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Agreement or any related agreements pertaining to the interim shall be settled through the Liaison Committee.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be settled by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed between the Parties.

3. The Parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both Parties, the Parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

It should be noted that the Islamic Resistance Movement indicated in its 2013 Political Position Paper, that sovereignty over the entire territory is demanded: "Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, we may not a waiver an inch or any part thereof, no matter what the reasons and circumstances and pressures." This essentially means the dismantlement of the Jewish State of Israel; as established under the UN Partition Plan. This is not unlike the threat base correspondence of 1948 by the Arab Higher Committee:

It should be noted that the Arab Higher Committee (as the aggressor as part of the Aggressor Force in 1948) was the last Arab Palestinian organization that stipulated the end of the conflict: "In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:" When will it end:

• • 
    (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

Most Respectfully,
R

The 521 tunnels– believed to be primarily used for smuggling weapons,​

Smuggling is the term for importing illegally.

It is not illegal for Palestine to import weapons.

In this case "smuggling" is a propaganda term.

It is when there is a legally imposed blockade in place to stop just that

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you are misusing the term "siege." A "siege" is used in the offense with the intent to prevent conquer by attrition or assault --- during wartime. In the case of GAZA, the applicable term is containment and the establishment of a security barrier to prevent:

It is understood that: small arms and light weapons (SALW) are broadly used by many different groups including but not limited to militaries, gangs and terrorist organisations, --- including Palestinian terrorist Organizations, Islamic Resistance Movements and Militant activities, and generalized Jihadist and Fedayeen.

Noting that the main factors, which influence the illicit trade of small arms and light weapons, are:

a)weak border control
b)cross-border smuggling
c)The black Market
d)The demand for arms
e)The poor monitoring of the trade of small arms and light weapons,​

It have become necessary to contain the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) from obtaining SALW to further the official hostile agenda through the infiltration and exfiltration of asymmetric elements to pursue the targeting of cross-border civilian targets:

• attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;
• attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;
• kidnapping or hostage taking;
• causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;
• seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;
• manufacture, possession, acquisition, transport, supply or use of weapons, explosives or of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons, as well as research into, and development of, biological and chemical weapons;
• release of dangerous substances, or causing fires, floods or explosions the effect of which is to endanger human life;
• threatening to commit any of the hostile acts

INFORMATIONALS

Egypt Destroys Over 500 Tunnels Under Gaza Border

The 521 tunnels– believed to be primarily used for smuggling weapons, facilitating clandestine movement ... tunnel networks following information that Palestinian terror group Hamas was likely coordinating with Islamist …​

Breitbart News · 4 hours ago

Hamas Using Truce to Prepare for Next Clash With Israel

Due to Egypt’s stringent policy of destroying smuggling tunnels, Hamas is not able to smuggle weapons in from outside ... and an old-new friend has reappeared: Iran.Hamas and Tehran reestablished ties this year …​

The Algemeiner · 5/19/2015

Israel Stops Smuggling Boat, Arrests 3 Hamas Operatives

During interrogation, the three suspects provided "detailed information" on prior weapons smuggling and explained how Hamas uses fisherman and smugglers to transport material for weapons production to the Gaza Strip. Smuggling attempts by sea has …​

The Christian Broadcasting Network · 2/12/2015

When does Israel plan to lift the siege on Gaza?

When does Israel plan to leave the Jordan Valley?

(COMMENT)

The issue of settlements is a matter that is suppose to be resolved via the dispute resolution agreement outlined in the Oslo Accords.

OSLO I Article XV

RESOLUTION OF DISPUTES
1. Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Declaration of Principles, or any subsequent agreements pertaining to the interim period, shall be resolved by negotiations through the Joint Liaison Committee to be established pursuant to Article X above.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be resolved by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed upon by the parties.

3. The parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both parties, the parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

OSLO II ARTICLE XXI

Settlement of Differences and Disputes

Any difference relating to the application of this Agreement shall be referred to the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism established under this Agreement. The provisions of Article XV of the DOP shall apply to any such difference which is not settled through the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism, namely:

1.Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Agreement or any related agreements pertaining to the interim shall be settled through the Liaison Committee.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be settled by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed between the Parties.

3. The Parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both Parties, the Parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

It should be noted that the Islamic Resistance Movement indicated in its 2013 Political Position Paper, that sovereignty over the entire territory is demanded: "Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, we may not a waiver an inch or any part thereof, no matter what the reasons and circumstances and pressures." This essentially means the dismantlement of the Jewish State of Israel; as established under the UN Partition Plan. This is not unlike the threat base correspondence of 1948 by the Arab Higher Committee:

It should be noted that the Arab Higher Committee (as the aggressor as part of the Aggressor Force in 1948) was the last Arab Palestinian organization that stipulated the end of the conflict: "In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:" When will it end:

• • 
    (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

Most Respectfully,
R

Oslo, blah, blah, blah.

Oslo is dead.

Is that why Abu Mazen tries to use it to attack Israel with all the time. When it suits the Palestinian side it is alive and well, when it doesn't it was breached and so no longer exists

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you are misusing the term "siege." A "siege" is used in the offense with the intent to prevent conquer by attrition or assault --- during wartime. In the case of GAZA, the applicable term is containment and the establishment of a security barrier to prevent:

It is understood that: small arms and light weapons (SALW) are broadly used by many different groups including but not limited to militaries, gangs and terrorist organisations, --- including Palestinian terrorist Organizations, Islamic Resistance Movements and Militant activities, and generalized Jihadist and Fedayeen.

Noting that the main factors, which influence the illicit trade of small arms and light weapons, are:

a)weak border control
b)cross-border smuggling
c)The black Market
d)The demand for arms
e)The poor monitoring of the trade of small arms and light weapons,​

It have become necessary to contain the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) from obtaining SALW to further the official hostile agenda through the infiltration and exfiltration of asymmetric elements to pursue the targeting of cross-border civilian targets:

• attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;
• attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;
• kidnapping or hostage taking;
• causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;
• seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;
• manufacture, possession, acquisition, transport, supply or use of weapons, explosives or of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons, as well as research into, and development of, biological and chemical weapons;
• release of dangerous substances, or causing fires, floods or explosions the effect of which is to endanger human life;
• threatening to commit any of the hostile acts

INFORMATIONALS

Egypt Destroys Over 500 Tunnels Under Gaza Border

The 521 tunnels– believed to be primarily used for smuggling weapons, facilitating clandestine movement ... tunnel networks following information that Palestinian terror group Hamas was likely coordinating with Islamist …​

Breitbart News · 4 hours ago

Hamas Using Truce to Prepare for Next Clash With Israel

Due to Egypt’s stringent policy of destroying smuggling tunnels, Hamas is not able to smuggle weapons in from outside ... and an old-new friend has reappeared: Iran.Hamas and Tehran reestablished ties this year …​

The Algemeiner · 5/19/2015

Israel Stops Smuggling Boat, Arrests 3 Hamas Operatives

During interrogation, the three suspects provided "detailed information" on prior weapons smuggling and explained how Hamas uses fisherman and smugglers to transport material for weapons production to the Gaza Strip. Smuggling attempts by sea has …​

The Christian Broadcasting Network · 2/12/2015

When does Israel plan to lift the siege on Gaza?

When does Israel plan to leave the Jordan Valley?

(COMMENT)

The issue of settlements is a matter that is suppose to be resolved via the dispute resolution agreement outlined in the Oslo Accords.

OSLO I Article XV

RESOLUTION OF DISPUTES
1. Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Declaration of Principles, or any subsequent agreements pertaining to the interim period, shall be resolved by negotiations through the Joint Liaison Committee to be established pursuant to Article X above.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be resolved by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed upon by the parties.

3. The parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both parties, the parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

OSLO II ARTICLE XXI

Settlement of Differences and Disputes

Any difference relating to the application of this Agreement shall be referred to the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism established under this Agreement. The provisions of Article XV of the DOP shall apply to any such difference which is not settled through the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism, namely:

1.Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Agreement or any related agreements pertaining to the interim shall be settled through the Liaison Committee.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be settled by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed between the Parties.

3. The Parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both Parties, the Parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

It should be noted that the Islamic Resistance Movement indicated in its 2013 Political Position Paper, that sovereignty over the entire territory is demanded: "Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, we may not a waiver an inch or any part thereof, no matter what the reasons and circumstances and pressures." This essentially means the dismantlement of the Jewish State of Israel; as established under the UN Partition Plan. This is not unlike the threat base correspondence of 1948 by the Arab Higher Committee:

It should be noted that the Arab Higher Committee (as the aggressor as part of the Aggressor Force in 1948) was the last Arab Palestinian organization that stipulated the end of the conflict: "In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:" When will it end:

• • 
    (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

Most Respectfully,
R

Oslo, blah, blah, blah.

Oslo is dead.

Is that why Abu Mazen tries to use it to attack Israel with all the time. When it suits the Palestinian side it is alive and well, when it doesn't it was breached and so no longer exists

Abu Mazen left the government in June of 2007. He doesn't speak for anyone.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you are misusing the term "siege." A "siege" is used in the offense with the intent to prevent conquer by attrition or assault --- during wartime. In the case of GAZA, the applicable term is containment and the establishment of a security barrier to prevent:

It is understood that: small arms and light weapons (SALW) are broadly used by many different groups including but not limited to militaries, gangs and terrorist organisations, --- including Palestinian terrorist Organizations, Islamic Resistance Movements and Militant activities, and generalized Jihadist and Fedayeen.

Noting that the main factors, which influence the illicit trade of small arms and light weapons, are:

a)weak border control
b)cross-border smuggling
c)The black Market
d)The demand for arms
e)The poor monitoring of the trade of small arms and light weapons,​

It have become necessary to contain the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) from obtaining SALW to further the official hostile agenda through the infiltration and exfiltration of asymmetric elements to pursue the targeting of cross-border civilian targets:

• attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;
• attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;
• kidnapping or hostage taking;
• causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;
• seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;
• manufacture, possession, acquisition, transport, supply or use of weapons, explosives or of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons, as well as research into, and development of, biological and chemical weapons;
• release of dangerous substances, or causing fires, floods or explosions the effect of which is to endanger human life;
• threatening to commit any of the hostile acts

INFORMATIONALS

Egypt Destroys Over 500 Tunnels Under Gaza Border

The 521 tunnels– believed to be primarily used for smuggling weapons, facilitating clandestine movement ... tunnel networks following information that Palestinian terror group Hamas was likely coordinating with Islamist …​

Breitbart News · 4 hours ago

Hamas Using Truce to Prepare for Next Clash With Israel

Due to Egypt’s stringent policy of destroying smuggling tunnels, Hamas is not able to smuggle weapons in from outside ... and an old-new friend has reappeared: Iran.Hamas and Tehran reestablished ties this year …​

The Algemeiner · 5/19/2015

Israel Stops Smuggling Boat, Arrests 3 Hamas Operatives

During interrogation, the three suspects provided "detailed information" on prior weapons smuggling and explained how Hamas uses fisherman and smugglers to transport material for weapons production to the Gaza Strip. Smuggling attempts by sea has …​

The Christian Broadcasting Network · 2/12/2015

When does Israel plan to lift the siege on Gaza?

When does Israel plan to leave the Jordan Valley?

(COMMENT)

The issue of settlements is a matter that is suppose to be resolved via the dispute resolution agreement outlined in the Oslo Accords.

OSLO I Article XV

RESOLUTION OF DISPUTES
1. Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Declaration of Principles, or any subsequent agreements pertaining to the interim period, shall be resolved by negotiations through the Joint Liaison Committee to be established pursuant to Article X above.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be resolved by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed upon by the parties.

3. The parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both parties, the parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

OSLO II ARTICLE XXI

Settlement of Differences and Disputes

Any difference relating to the application of this Agreement shall be referred to the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism established under this Agreement. The provisions of Article XV of the DOP shall apply to any such difference which is not settled through the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism, namely:

1.Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Agreement or any related agreements pertaining to the interim shall be settled through the Liaison Committee.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be settled by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed between the Parties.

3. The Parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both Parties, the Parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

It should be noted that the Islamic Resistance Movement indicated in its 2013 Political Position Paper, that sovereignty over the entire territory is demanded: "Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, we may not a waiver an inch or any part thereof, no matter what the reasons and circumstances and pressures." This essentially means the dismantlement of the Jewish State of Israel; as established under the UN Partition Plan. This is not unlike the threat base correspondence of 1948 by the Arab Higher Committee:

It should be noted that the Arab Higher Committee (as the aggressor as part of the Aggressor Force in 1948) was the last Arab Palestinian organization that stipulated the end of the conflict: "In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:" When will it end:

• • 
    (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

Most Respectfully,
R

Oslo, blah, blah, blah.

Oslo is dead.

Is that why Abu Mazen tries to use it to attack Israel with all the time. When it suits the Palestinian side it is alive and well, when it doesn't it was breached and so no longer exists

Abu Mazen left the government in June of 2007. He doesn't speak for anyone.

He still spouts his views every day. and it was him that started the ICC investigation into war crimes last summer

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'll give you the general list of terms that are use in the law enforcement, intelligence and security circles.

[QUOTE ="P F Tinmore, post: 11474719, member: 21837"]What do you mean by illicit?[/ QUOTE]
(COMMENT)

How do small arms become illicit? (Office for Disarmament Affairs - UNODA)
Sources of small arms supplies to areas of crisis and conflict are varied. Domestically, small arms can enter
illicit circulation through distribution, theft, leakage, divergence, pilferage or resale. Shipments of small arms to conflict zones from abroad are most often small-scale consignments - a steady trickle of weapons across porous borders. The cumulative destabilizing force of such small-scale trade is not to be underestimated, particularly in unstable regions where small arms are traded from one conflict to another.

Terms and Definitions

• • Ammunition: shells and missiles for light weapons; containers with missiles or shells for single-action anti-aircraft and anti-tank systems; anti-personnel and anti-tank hand grenades; and landmines.(Source: Report of the United Nations Panel of Government Experts on Small Arms)
  • Illegal black market transfers "In clear violation of national and/or international laws and without official government consent or control, these transfers may involve corrupt government officials acting on their own for personal gain." (Source: Small Arms Survey 2001, p. 167)
  • Illicit grey market transfers "Governments, their agents, or individuals exploiting loopholes or intentionally circumventing national and/or international laws or policies" (Source: Small Arms Survey 2001, p. 167)
  • Legal Transfers "These occur with either the active or passive involvement of governments or their authorized agents, and in accordance with both national and international law." (Source: Small Arms Survey 2001, p. 167)
  • Light weapons: heavy machine-guns; hand-held under-barrel and mounted grenade launchers; portable anti-aircraft guns; portable anti-tank guns, recoilless rifles; portable launchers of anti-tank missile and rocket systems; portable launchers of anti-aircraft missile systems; mortars of calibers of less than 100 mm. (Source: Report of the United Nations Panel of Government Experts on Small Arms)
  • Small arms: revolvers and self-loading pistols; rifles and carbines; sub-machine guns;assault rifles; light machine-guns. (Source: Report of the United Nations Panel of Government Experts on Small Arms)

The general understandings pertaining to what the UN intent is contained in A/52/298 27 August 1997. The central list for most SALW resolution can be found at UNODA website.

[QUOTE="P F Tinmore, post: 11474719, member: 21837"]It is legal for Palestinians to import an manufacture arms.[/QUOTE]
(COMMENT)

First: Only to the extent that it does not counter the strengthen coordination and cooperation among States in combating crimes that might be connected with terrorism, including drug trafficking in all its aspects, illicit arms trade, in particular of small arms and light weapons, including man-portable air defense systems , money laundering and smuggling of nuclear, chemical, biological, radiological and other potentially deadly materials. (A/RES/60/288)

Second: When such weapons are not used to violate international law and treaties; or threaten the sovereignty and integrity of another nation; violating Customary International Humanitarian Law or the associated treaties. (Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States)

Remembering that governments, their agents, and other individuals attempting to exploit loopholes or intentionally circumventing international laws and diplomatic principles to accommodate their political agenda is NOT considered lawful. This would include supplying asymmetric forces, insurgents, jihadist and other designated terrorist activities with weapons.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'll give you the general list of terms that are use in the law enforcement, intelligence and security circles.

[QUOTE ="P F Tinmore, post: 11474719, member: 21837"]What do you mean by illicit?[/ QUOTE]
(COMMENT)

How do small arms become illicit? (Office for Disarmament Affairs - UNODA)
Sources of small arms supplies to areas of crisis and conflict are varied. Domestically, small arms can enter
illicit circulation through distribution, theft, leakage, divergence, pilferage or resale. Shipments of small arms to conflict zones from abroad are most often small-scale consignments - a steady trickle of weapons across porous borders. The cumulative destabilizing force of such small-scale trade is not to be underestimated, particularly in unstable regions where small arms are traded from one conflict to another.

Terms and Definitions

• • Ammunition: shells and missiles for light weapons; containers with missiles or shells for single-action anti-aircraft and anti-tank systems; anti-personnel and anti-tank hand grenades; and landmines.(Source: Report of the United Nations Panel of Government Experts on Small Arms)
  • Illegal black market transfers "In clear violation of national and/or international laws and without official government consent or control, these transfers may involve corrupt government officials acting on their own for personal gain." (Source: Small Arms Survey 2001, p. 167)
  • Illicit grey market transfers "Governments, their agents, or individuals exploiting loopholes or intentionally circumventing national and/or international laws or policies" (Source: Small Arms Survey 2001, p. 167)
  • Legal Transfers "These occur with either the active or passive involvement of governments or their authorized agents, and in accordance with both national and international law." (Source: Small Arms Survey 2001, p. 167)
  • Light weapons: heavy machine-guns; hand-held under-barrel and mounted grenade launchers; portable anti-aircraft guns; portable anti-tank guns, recoilless rifles; portable launchers of anti-tank missile and rocket systems; portable launchers of anti-aircraft missile systems; mortars of calibers of less than 100 mm. (Source: Report of the United Nations Panel of Government Experts on Small Arms)
  • Small arms: revolvers and self-loading pistols; rifles and carbines; sub-machine guns;assault rifles; light machine-guns. (Source: Report of the United Nations Panel of Government Experts on Small Arms)

The general understandings pertaining to what the UN intent is contained in A/52/298 27 August 1997. The central list for most SALW resolution can be found at UNODA website.

[QUOTE="P F Tinmore, post: 11474719, member: 21837"]It is legal for Palestinians to import an manufacture arms.

(COMMENT)

First: Only to the extent that it does not counter the strengthen coordination and cooperation among States in combating crimes that might be connected with terrorism, including drug trafficking in all its aspects, illicit arms trade, in particular of small arms and light weapons, including man-portable air defense systems , money laundering and smuggling of nuclear, chemical, biological, radiological and other potentially deadly materials. (A/RES/60/288)

Second: When such weapons are not used to violate international law and treaties; or threaten the sovereignty and integrity of another nation; violating Customary International Humanitarian Law or the associated treaties. (Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States)

Remembering that governments, their agents, and other individuals attempting to exploit loopholes or intentionally circumventing international laws and diplomatic principles to accommodate their political agenda is NOT considered lawful. This would include supplying asymmetric forces, insurgents, jihadist and other designated terrorist activities with weapons.

Most Respectfully,
R[/QUOTE]
But importing defensive weapons is OK, right?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The category of defensive" cannot be justified is the State supports armed conflict against a member nation, or supports jihadist action. Nor can defensive be considered a justification when the military wing is of the state is a designated terrorist organization.

But importing defensive weapons is OK, right?

(COMMENT)

You cannot declare a Chapter VII, Article 51, defense when the state is firing rockets and mortars across its borders (into another member nations sovereignty) and making armed incursions into another sovereignty to commit acts of war, kidnaping and murder in violation of international customary law or in violation of humanitarian law.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[member]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you are misusing the term "siege." A "siege" is used in the offense with the intent to prevent conquer by attrition or assault --- during wartime. In the case of GAZA, the applicable term is containment and the establishment of a security barrier to prevent:

It is understood that: small arms and light weapons (SALW) are broadly used by many different groups including but not limited to militaries, gangs and terrorist organisations, --- including Palestinian terrorist Organizations, Islamic Resistance Movements and Militant activities, and generalized Jihadist and Fedayeen.

Noting that the main factors, which influence the illicit trade of small arms and light weapons, are:

a)weak border control
b)cross-border smuggling
c)The black Market
d)The demand for arms
e)The poor monitoring of the trade of small arms and light weapons,​

It have become necessary to contain the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) from obtaining SALW to further the official hostile agenda through the infiltration and exfiltration of asymmetric elements to pursue the targeting of cross-border civilian targets:

• attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;
• attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;
• kidnapping or hostage taking;
• causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;
• seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;
• manufacture, possession, acquisition, transport, supply or use of weapons, explosives or of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons, as well as research into, and development of, biological and chemical weapons;
• release of dangerous substances, or causing fires, floods or explosions the effect of which is to endanger human life;
• threatening to commit any of the hostile acts

INFORMATIONALS

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The Algemeiner · 5/19/2015

Israel Stops Smuggling Boat, Arrests 3 Hamas Operatives

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The Christian Broadcasting Network · 2/12/2015

When does Israel plan to lift the siege on Gaza?

When does Israel plan to leave the Jordan Valley?

(COMMENT)

The issue of settlements is a matter that is suppose to be resolved via the dispute resolution agreement outlined in the Oslo Accords.

OSLO I Article XV

RESOLUTION OF DISPUTES
1. Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Declaration of Principles, or any subsequent agreements pertaining to the interim period, shall be resolved by negotiations through the Joint Liaison Committee to be established pursuant to Article X above.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be resolved by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed upon by the parties.

3. The parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both parties, the parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

OSLO II ARTICLE XXI

Settlement of Differences and Disputes

Any difference relating to the application of this Agreement shall be referred to the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism established under this Agreement. The provisions of Article XV of the DOP shall apply to any such difference which is not settled through the appropriate coordination and cooperation mechanism, namely:

1.Disputes arising out of the application or interpretation of this Agreement or any related agreements pertaining to the interim shall be settled through the Liaison Committee.

2. Disputes which cannot be settled by negotiations may be settled by a mechanism of conciliation to be agreed between the Parties.

3. The Parties may agree to submit to arbitration disputes relating to the interim period, which cannot be settled through conciliation. To this end, upon the agreement of both Parties, the Parties will establish an Arbitration Committee.​

It should be noted that the Islamic Resistance Movement indicated in its 2013 Political Position Paper, that sovereignty over the entire territory is demanded: "Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, we may not a waiver an inch or any part thereof, no matter what the reasons and circumstances and pressures." This essentially means the dismantlement of the Jewish State of Israel; as established under the UN Partition Plan. This is not unlike the threat base correspondence of 1948 by the Arab Higher Committee:

It should be noted that the Arab Higher Committee (as the aggressor as part of the Aggressor Force in 1948) was the last Arab Palestinian organization that stipulated the end of the conflict: "In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:" When will it end:

• • 
    (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

Most Respectfully,
R

Oslo, blah, blah, blah.

Oslo is dead.

Is that why Abu Mazen tries to use it to attack Israel with all the time. When it suits the Palestinian side it is alive and well, when it doesn't it was breached and so no longer exists

Abu Mazen left the government in June of 2007. He doesn't speak for anyone.

"...He doesn't speak for anyone..."



you know what's a SICK thing: that terrorists "speak" for your beloved.... (i had no choice but to vote for them) Palestinians. when hamass took over gaza - it got even worse for the palestinians--and to top it all off - 'they' are not allowing any elections anytime soon, so they're stuck with deranged terrorists as their Bwaaaa-pathetic-fake-terrorist-Gov't.

...and i'm sure you know: "Guess who's (well, wants to anyway even without an invitation) coming to Dinner?"


nope - not ahmadinejihad, or Sidney Poitier, or Al Queda......

​

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The category of defensive" cannot be justified is the State supports armed conflict against a member nation, or supports jihadist action. Nor can defensive be considered a justification when the military wing is of the state is a designated terrorist organization.

But importing defensive weapons is OK, right?

(COMMENT)

You cannot declare a Chapter VII, Article 51, defense when the state is firing rockets and mortars across its borders (into another member nations sovereignty) and making armed incursions into another sovereignty to commit acts of war, kidnaping and murder in violation of international customary law or in violation of humanitarian law.

Most Respectfully,
R

All third grade name calling aside, there is no border between Gaza and Israel. They are the same place.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The category of defensive" cannot be justified is the State supports armed conflict against a member nation, or supports jihadist action. Nor can defensive be considered a justification when the military wing is of the state is a designated terrorist organization.

But importing defensive weapons is OK, right?

(COMMENT)

You cannot declare a Chapter VII, Article 51, defense when the state is firing rockets and mortars across its borders (into another member nations sovereignty) and making armed incursions into another sovereignty to commit acts of war, kidnaping and murder in violation of international customary law or in violation of humanitarian law.

Most Respectfully,
R

All third grade name calling aside, there is no border between Gaza and Israel. They are the same place.

Gaza is part of Palestine. There is no border because there has not been a peace agreements yet.

Are you pretending to be dumb?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The category of defensive" cannot be justified is the State supports armed conflict against a member nation, or supports jihadist action. Nor can defensive be considered a justification when the military wing is of the state is a designated terrorist organization.

But importing defensive weapons is OK, right?

(COMMENT)

You cannot declare a Chapter VII, Article 51, defense when the state is firing rockets and mortars across its borders (into another member nations sovereignty) and making armed incursions into another sovereignty to commit acts of war, kidnaping and murder in violation of international customary law or in violation of humanitarian law.

Most Respectfully,
R

All third grade name calling aside, there is no border between Gaza and Israel. They are the same place.

Gaza is part of Palestine. There is no border because there has not been a peace agreements yet.

Are you pretending to be dumb?

You don't understand what you just said.

You can go from Palestine Gaza to Palestine West Bank without crossing any border. Interesting dat.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The category of defensive" cannot be justified is the State supports armed conflict against a member nation, or supports jihadist action. Nor can defensive be considered a justification when the military wing is of the state is a designated terrorist organization.

But importing defensive weapons is OK, right?

(COMMENT)

You cannot declare a Chapter VII, Article 51, defense when the state is firing rockets and mortars across its borders (into another member nations sovereignty) and making armed incursions into another sovereignty to commit acts of war, kidnaping and murder in violation of international customary law or in violation of humanitarian law.

Most Respectfully,
R

All third grade name calling aside, there is no border between Gaza and Israel. They are the same place.

Gaza is part of Palestine. There is no border because there has not been a peace agreements yet.

Are you pretending to be dumb?

You don't understand what you just said.

You can go from Palestine Gaza to Palestine West Bank without crossing any border. Interesting dat.

Yo DO have to cross a border, which is guarded by Israel. You;re getting mixed up between 'borders' and 'permanent internationally recognized boundaries' (the ladder of which the 'Palestinians' don't have.
You're talking as if you can freely go into Gaza from Israel or from Israel into the West Bank (and Vice Versa).

Kerem Shalom border crossing - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Border crossing,

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The category of defensive" cannot be justified is the State supports armed conflict against a member nation, or supports jihadist action. Nor can defensive be considered a justification when the military wing is of the state is a designated terrorist organization.

But importing defensive weapons is OK, right?

(COMMENT)

You cannot declare a Chapter VII, Article 51, defense when the state is firing rockets and mortars across its borders (into another member nations sovereignty) and making armed incursions into another sovereignty to commit acts of war, kidnaping and murder in violation of international customary law or in violation of humanitarian law.

Most Respectfully,
R

All third grade name calling aside, there is no border between Gaza and Israel. They are the same place.

Gaza is part of Palestine. There is no border because there has not been a peace agreements yet.

Are you pretending to be dumb?

You don't understand what you just said.

You can go from Palestine Gaza to Palestine West Bank without crossing any border. Interesting dat.

Yo DO have to cross a border, which is guarded by Israel. You;re getting mixed up between 'borders' and 'permanent internationally recognized boundaries' (the ladder of which the 'Palestinians' don't have.
You're talking as if you can freely go into Gaza from Israel or from Israel into the West Bank (and Vice Versa).

Kerem Shalom border crossing - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Border crossing,

Just say so. There are no borders there.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The category of defensive" cannot be justified is the State supports armed conflict against a member nation, or supports jihadist action. Nor can defensive be considered a justification when the military wing is of the state is a designated terrorist organization.

(COMMENT)

You cannot declare a Chapter VII, Article 51, defense when the state is firing rockets and mortars across its borders (into another member nations sovereignty) and making armed incursions into another sovereignty to commit acts of war, kidnaping and murder in violation of international customary law or in violation of humanitarian law.

Most Respectfully,
R

All third grade name calling aside, there is no border between Gaza and Israel. They are the same place.

Gaza is part of Palestine. There is no border because there has not been a peace agreements yet.

Are you pretending to be dumb?

You don't understand what you just said.

You can go from Palestine Gaza to Palestine West Bank without crossing any border. Interesting dat.

Yo DO have to cross a border, which is guarded by Israel. You;re getting mixed up between 'borders' and 'permanent internationally recognized boundaries' (the ladder of which the 'Palestinians' don't have.
You're talking as if you can freely go into Gaza from Israel or from Israel into the West Bank (and Vice Versa).

Kerem Shalom border crossing - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Border crossing,

Just say so. There are no borders there.

North Korea and South Korea are also separated by an armistice line.

 

[aris2chat]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The category of defensive" cannot be justified is the State supports armed conflict against a member nation, or supports jihadist action. Nor can defensive be considered a justification when the military wing is of the state is a designated terrorist organization.

But importing defensive weapons is OK, right?

(COMMENT)

You cannot declare a Chapter VII, Article 51, defense when the state is firing rockets and mortars across its borders (into another member nations sovereignty) and making armed incursions into another sovereignty to commit acts of war, kidnaping and murder in violation of international customary law or in violation of humanitarian law.

Most Respectfully,
R

All third grade name calling aside, there is no border between Gaza and Israel. They are the same place.

Gaza is part of Palestine. There is no border because there has not been a peace agreements yet.

Are you pretending to be dumb?

And the Hawaiian island are separated by an ocean. They have to cross that ocean and mother nature might make that difficult at times. Maybe if they pay tribute to the volcano to grand them a peaceful and safe crossing?

We all have to be nice to others to get from point A to B. We all make compromises. We all have people we don't particularly like. So what? Trying to wipe out the whole family of our neighbor is wrong. Throwing stones or firing shots at their windows will get us arrested. Our neighbor could build a high stone wall to keep us out for the safety of both of us
Oh wait, that is what Israel did. A fence by gaza and a wall by the PA. But hamas keep attacking and tunneling into Israel's back yard. Now if it was gophers they would be killed or captures.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OH, come now. You play this border game whenever you lose control of the discussion.

The State of Israel (1948/49) was recognized by the UN before the State of Palestine (1988). By Treaty, the international border between Egypt and Israel is one strike against you. Another strike is that the PLO Declared Independence and the UN recognizes the state in the territory occupied in 1967.

All third grade name calling aside, there is no border between Gaza and Israel. They are the same place.

(COMMENT)

They are not the same place. They are (today) separately recognized entities; one sovereign and one in the stage of becoming sovereign.

While the territory to which the Mandate for Palestine applied, encloses the State of Israel and Gaza, Palestine was not a sovereign state. "The 1967 border is the internationally-recognized border between Israel and the oPt; according to the PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department.

You are now --- and have been, for some time, sensitive about the designation of "terrorist."

While many European diplomats resent the designation of Hamas, pointing to the group's dominance of the Gaza Strip and its centrality to regional events, the EU will likely work assiduously to reinstate the designation for two reasons: first, to protect its designation regime from further legal challenges and defend the Council's original ban on Hamas, and second, to prevent an inherently apolitical, independent judicial action from damaging the prospects for peace and stability in the Middle East. The very same day the EU court issues its judgment, the UN Security Council is expected to vote on a Palestinian resolution setting a November 2016 deadline for outlining a final Israeli-Palestinian peace deal, including Israeli withdrawal from lands sought for a Palestinian state. These two actions will be seen by many, especially in Israel, as intertwined. And Hamas will no doubt point to the decision as vindication of its claim that it is not a terrorist group -- its recent kidnappings, rocket salvos, and tunnel attacks notwithstanding. Source; Washington Institute​

In General the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades [the military wing of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS)], have conducted many Jihadist and terrorist attacks including large-scale suicide bombings, kidnaping and murder on both Israeli civilian and military targets. HAMAS official policy is that Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine --- as they define it be as from the River to the Sea. That makes HAMAS a state which support terrorism. The EU Court ruling (62010TA0400: Case T-400/10: Judgment of the General Court of 17 December 2014) under the political pressure and terrorist intimidation, made the judgement it did --- because of the inclusion as part of the Palestinian Unity Government and the threats (by HAMAS officials) against European countries that supported the designation. By lifting it from the designated terrorist list, it allows for the continuation of negotiations without violating the principle that Diplomatic Missions do not negotiate with terrorists. The EU Court does not suggest HAMAS does not support, active or passive, to entities or persons involved in terrorist acts, including by suppressing recruitment of members of terrorist groups and eliminating the supply of weapons to terrorists. On the contrary, HAMAS itself admits as much. The EU Court in NO WAY absolves or finds in favor of HAMAS on the matter of its:

• Seriously intimidating a population,
• Unduly compelling a Government or international organisation to perform or abstain from performing any act, or
• Seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organisation,

(a) attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;

(b) attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;

(c) kidnapping or hostage taking;

(d) causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;

(e) seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;​

The simple fact is, that the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), and its associates have an extensive history of behaviors and self admission that they perform these acts to intimidate the UN Assembly, and EU membership into oppressing Israel in its efforts to hold and maintain it's statehood, preserving it culture and heritage, and protect its citizens against the savagery and barbarity by which the Islamic Resistance Movement define themselves.

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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OH, come now. You play this border game whenever you lose control of the discussion.

The State of Israel (1948/49) was recognized by the UN before the State of Palestine (1988). By Treaty, the international border between Egypt and Israel is one strike against you. Another strike is that the PLO Declared Independence and the UN recognizes the state in the territory occupied in 1967.

All third grade name calling aside, there is no border between Gaza and Israel. They are the same place.

(COMMENT)

They are not the same place. They are (today) separately recognized entities; one sovereign and one in the stage of becoming sovereign.

While the territory to which the Mandate for Palestine applied, encloses the State of Israel and Gaza, Palestine was not a sovereign state. "The 1967 border is the internationally-recognized border between Israel and the oPt; according to the PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department.

You are now --- and have been, for some time, sensitive about the designation of "terrorist."

While many European diplomats resent the designation of Hamas, pointing to the group's dominance of the Gaza Strip and its centrality to regional events, the EU will likely work assiduously to reinstate the designation for two reasons: first, to protect its designation regime from further legal challenges and defend the Council's original ban on Hamas, and second, to prevent an inherently apolitical, independent judicial action from damaging the prospects for peace and stability in the Middle East. The very same day the EU court issues its judgment, the UN Security Council is expected to vote on a Palestinian resolution setting a November 2016 deadline for outlining a final Israeli-Palestinian peace deal, including Israeli withdrawal from lands sought for a Palestinian state. These two actions will be seen by many, especially in Israel, as intertwined. And Hamas will no doubt point to the decision as vindication of its claim that it is not a terrorist group -- its recent kidnappings, rocket salvos, and tunnel attacks notwithstanding. Source; Washington Institute​

In General the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades [the military wing of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS)], have conducted many Jihadist and terrorist attacks including large-scale suicide bombings, kidnaping and murder on both Israeli civilian and military targets. HAMAS official policy is that Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine --- as they define it be as from the River to the Sea. That makes HAMAS a state which support terrorism. The EU Court ruling (62010TA0400: Case T-400/10: Judgment of the General Court of 17 December 2014) under the political pressure and terrorist intimidation, made the judgement it did --- because of the inclusion as part of the Palestinian Unity Government and the threats (by HAMAS officials) against European countries that supported the designation. By lifting it from the designated terrorist list, it allows for the continuation of negotiations without violating the principle that Diplomatic Missions do not negotiate with terrorists. The EU Court does not suggest HAMAS does not support, active or passive, to entities or persons involved in terrorist acts, including by suppressing recruitment of members of terrorist groups and eliminating the supply of weapons to terrorists. On the contrary, HAMAS itself admits as much. The EU Court in NO WAY absolves or finds in favor of HAMAS on the matter of its:

• Seriously intimidating a population,
• Unduly compelling a Government or international organisation to perform or abstain from performing any act, or
• Seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organisation,

(a) attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;

(b) attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;

(c) kidnapping or hostage taking;

(d) causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;

(e) seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;​

The simple fact is, that the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), and its associates have an extensive history of behaviors and self admission that they perform these acts to intimidate the UN Assembly, and EU membership into oppressing Israel in its efforts to hold and maintain it's statehood, preserving it culture and heritage, and protect its citizens against the savagery and barbarity by which the Islamic Resistance Movement define themselves.

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Most Respectfully,
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The court ruled in favor of Hamas because the designation was bogus. My guess is that it is the same everyplace. Bogus.