Just like the good old USA. We are from all over the place but we are still all Americans.It doesn't matter. Changing a name does not change the people.The British called it Palestine because that is what it was.Never thought about how Herodotus came up with the name,Jerusalem is completely controlled by massive Jewish population on all 4 sidesI have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.
I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.
This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.
In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).
[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community
i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..
What Egyptian lands are you speaking of?
They ain’t getting Jerusalem back nor should they
Jordan is the only other state in the region who made a claim for it, and they ceded that claim in the 1990's, along with the rest of the West Bank. What some gangsters want to claim is of no interest or validity.
it wasn't Jordan's to cede... They simply administered it along with East Jerusalem.
So what? They dropped any claims they had to it, and they're the real 'Palestinian state', not your thugsters running Hamas and the PLA.
Palestine was a province of Syria as far back as 500 BC.. Have you read Herodotus? It was called Syria-Palestine.. Chaucer and Shakespeare also mention Palestine.
Do you remember the West Bank before Israel attacked Egypt in 1967? Do you remember the Almond Trees and Pomegranates, and ancient Olive groves. Some of those olive trees were 500 years old and they weren't watered and tended by Europeans.
How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › articles › SB123275572295011847
Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.
Um, Herodotus coined the word palestine (palaistine), he didn’t discover a place called palestine. He wasn’t the Greek Christopher Columbus. So, palaistine existed in his book but not in reality. Sorry to confuse you with facts.
Herodotus didn't make it up.. It was called Palestine even when Egypt controlled Sina and Canaan during the Exodus.
No it wasn't, stop making things up.
And what difference does it make how Greeks called a land on another continent,
if those who today falsely appropriate the name, can't even pronounce it?
Ancient Greeks generally called the country Judea, signifying land of the Jews. Romans, too. Persians called it Yehud. Herodotus used the name palaistine referring to the Mediterranean coast formerly occupied by philistines, who were also from the Greek world like Herodotus. It wasn‘t palestine as people generally think of it.
but the root of the word is in Hebrew, it's not Greek.
It actually shows Herodotus wasn't personally familiar with the region from first witness,
or even realize what the word meant, his knowledge of the specific region was limited only to reports from other Greeks who were not familiar with the local language.
No native would call himself "Palestinian", by definition.Never thought about how Herodotus came up with the name,Jerusalem is completely controlled by massive Jewish population on all 4 sidesI have some ideas about the entrenched, painful, conflict between the Isrealis and the Palestinians.
I took a look at the map, and figured out a possible solution.
It would require the Palestinians to be content with building new homes and farmland (powered by Israeli supplied water[1]), and for the Egyptians to sell some of the land that borders with Israel to Israel and Palestine.
This would start by the Palestinians moving some of their farmland and residences to the South of the current West Bank region, and later into what are now Egyptian lands bordering Israel.
In return, the Palestinians would get prolonged peace and a unified strip of land, the Israelis would get room to expand (into the West Bank, and later towards the south of the West Bank too), and the Egyptians would get international credit, and money (supplied by both the Israelis, and Palestinian farm products).
[1] Freshwater (industrial scale) from seawater, on sunlight | Physics Forums - The Fusion of Science and Community
i have this idea to produce fresh water for farming and all the other uses of fresh water, from seawater, on sunlight, using mostly/only off-the-shelf parts.. i am currently not able to pursue this idea myself due to financial constraints, so i thought i'd float the idea here looking for some constructive feedback.. i'm also not a mechanical engineer, i have studied software engineering, so i have a couple of specific hurdles with the engineering that i'd like your feedback on.. it starts with pvc tubing bringing seawater to a desert/climatically-hot area.. the pvc tubing does not need to be raised above ground level but rather be just laid on the ground to preheat the seawater. at the conversion site, you'd have multiple evaporation chambers made out of black plastic funnels, one normally upright beneath one inverted (so narrow part pointing straight up) and tied together using black ducktape perhaps. problem 1 is maintaining a stable water level in the lower (upright, narrow part of the funnel pointing down) funnels, and bringing new seawater to those lower funnels over terrain that varies in height aswell (potentially for several miles).. problem 2 is the condensation of vaporized freshwater from the 2-funnels devices back into liquid form for transportation to a farming area (which is suspect are pentiful), any area that could be farmed if it would receive a stable freshwater supply.. this idea is copylefted and donated to humanity by me. you are free to implement it entirely on your own and perhaps even turn it into a business where you take a modest percentage of revenue (the food output) to make the thing economically sustainable and interesting-to-scale-up..
What Egyptian lands are you speaking of?
They ain’t getting Jerusalem back nor should they
Jordan is the only other state in the region who made a claim for it, and they ceded that claim in the 1990's, along with the rest of the West Bank. What some gangsters want to claim is of no interest or validity.
it wasn't Jordan's to cede... They simply administered it along with East Jerusalem.
So what? They dropped any claims they had to it, and they're the real 'Palestinian state', not your thugsters running Hamas and the PLA.
Palestine was a province of Syria as far back as 500 BC.. Have you read Herodotus? It was called Syria-Palestine.. Chaucer and Shakespeare also mention Palestine.
Do you remember the West Bank before Israel attacked Egypt in 1967? Do you remember the Almond Trees and Pomegranates, and ancient Olive groves. Some of those olive trees were 500 years old and they weren't watered and tended by Europeans.
How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ
https://www.wsj.com › articles › SB123275572295011847
Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas.
Um, Herodotus coined the word palestine (palaistine), he didn’t discover a place called palestine. He wasn’t the Greek Christopher Columbus. So, palaistine existed in his book but not in reality. Sorry to confuse you with facts.
Herodotus didn't make it up.. It was called Palestine even when Egypt controlled Sina and Canaan during the Exodus.
No it wasn't, stop making things up.
And what difference does it make how Greeks called a land on another continent,
if those who today falsely appropriate the name, can't even pronounce it?
Ancient Greeks generally called the country Judea, signifying land of the Jews. Romans, too. Persians called it Yehud. Herodotus used the name palaistine referring to the Mediterranean coast formerly occupied by philistines, who were also from the Greek world like Herodotus. It wasn‘t palestine as people generally think of it.
but the root of the word is in Hebrew, it's not Greek.
It actually shows Herodotus wasn't personally familiar with the region from first witness,
or even realize what the word meant, his knowledge of the specific region was limited only to reports from other Greeks who were not familiar with the local language.
No native would call himself "Palestinian", by definition.
Jewish Bible calls the Philistines “Pelishtim“ and their location on the Mediterranean coast is called Peleshet. Bible actually refers to the Mediterranean as “sea of the Philistines.” The Greeks like Herodotus knew of the Philistines because they originated from the Greek world. In his book, he says palaistine is between Phoenicia (modern Lebanon) and Egypt, on a “peninsula beside our sea” (Mediterranean). There is no account of him traveling inland.
The Philistines were indeed sea people probably from the Greek Islands.. When they took over the coast, the Hebrew moved into the hillcountry.. Nomads have a symbiotic relationship with settled people who grow grains.. Its essential.
Printed in England. Palestine was Britain’s name for the British Mandate.
Palestine is an English word coined by Europeans. This is news to you? Duh!
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The people from many different origins...
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”Israeli” is a common Israeli surname. Funny how nobody is named al-Palestini, but a common palestinian surname is Bushnaq, denoting Bosnia, and Bosnians aren’t even Arabs.