Over a Million Died in Vietnam for Nothing

[Sunni Man]

Yeah, like the North Koreans simply invaded their own country.

So the Korean's invaded Korea?

I see that you have no problem doubling down on stupid. ........

 

[Weatherman2020]

What in the he'll do they have to do with the Comminists invading in order to force millions under their red thumb?

You really need to read a history book. .......

why? he claims that everyone else is ignorant of history ,
just yesterday he claim the sole cause for the first Mexican revolution was the immigration of white people!
damn funny that!

Moron double downs on his believe whites had no significant role in the Texas Revolution or Mexican American war.

Like I said, education system has made people ignorant of history.

wrong again? you are the one who made the false claim that white immigration was the sole cause of the first Mexican revolution .
this thread is based on the same false premise .
you are attempting and failing to create false equivalencies .
name calling is proof of you ignorance on the subject you claim to know so well.
fraud much?

Moron claims whites had no significant roles in the Texas Revolution or Mexican American war. Probably thinks white immigrants had no role in American Indian events too.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Yeah, like the North Koreans simply invaded their own country.

So the Korean's invaded Korea?

I see that you have no problem doubling down on stupid. ........

It's amazing your brain has the capacity to keep your heart beating.

 

[Sunni Man]

Best documentary I have ever seen on the events leading up to America's initial involvement in Vietnam and the subsequent war. .......

 

[daws101]

invading what?

The fact you must ask displays your ignorance.

if by invade do you mean spying or the Cuban invitation to the u.s.s.r to place missiles there ?
neither one qualifies as an invasion...

 

[Weatherman2020]

invading what?

The fact you must ask displays your ignorance.

if by invade do you mean spying or the Cuban invitation to the u.s.s.r to place missiles there ?
neither one qualifies as an invasion...

Not my job to educate you on the history of SE Asia or geography lessons showing you were Cuba is in relation to SE Asia.

 

[daws101]

invading what?

The fact you must ask displays your ignorance.

if by invade do you mean spying or the Cuban invitation to the u.s.s.r to place missiles there ?
neither one qualifies as an invasion...

Not my job to educate you on the history of SE Asia or geography lessons showing you were Cuba is in relation to SE Asia.

the Russians never invaded there either .next false statement.

The USSR was traditionally one of Vietnam's strongest allies. After the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, friendly relations were established between Vietnam and the Russian Federation, the USSR's main successor state. Nearly 5% of the official count of the Vietnamese population in Russia is composed of students with Russian government scholarships.[2] In January 2001, to commemorate the 50th anniversary of Soviet-Vietnam ties, Russian president Vladimir Putin made an official visit to Hanoi, where he was received by Vietnamese president Trần Đức Lương.[1] Bilateral trade amounted to $550 million in 2001; Russian exports to Vietnam included machinery and steel, while Vietnam sold textiles and rice. The two countries also maintained relations in the energy sector, with joint venture Vietsovpetro pumping crude oil from the Bạch Hổ oil field.[3]

After the Vietnam War ended in 1975, the Soviet Union became Vietnam's main benefactor during the 1980s until the USSR collapsed in 1991, leaving Vietnam with a weakened ideological, economic and military ally. In rhetoric, Vietnam officially remains one of the world's last socialist countries – the communist hammer-and-sickle flag can still be seen – but it has embraced a market economy along with Asian and Western investment over the past two decades.

Sergey Lavrov, Foreign Minister of Russia, visited Vietnam in July 2009. "Relations between the two countries have developed positively," Lavrov said. "We are convinced that the bilateral cooperation will be at the highest level."[4]

Russia–Vietnam relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Weatherman2020]

invading what?

The fact you must ask displays your ignorance.

if by invade do you mean spying or the Cuban invitation to the u.s.s.r to place missiles there ?
neither one qualifies as an invasion...

Not my job to educate you on the history of SE Asia or geography lessons showing you were Cuba is in relation to SE Asia.

the Russians never invaded there either .next false statement.

Hilarious straw man from the moonbat who claims whites had no role in the Texas Revolution or Mexican American war.

 

[daws101]

invading what?

The fact you must ask displays your ignorance.

if by invade do you mean spying or the Cuban invitation to the u.s.s.r to place missiles there ?
neither one qualifies as an invasion...

Not my job to educate you on the history of SE Asia or geography lessons showing you were Cuba is in relation to SE Asia.

the Russians never invaded there either .next false statement.

Hilarious straw man from the moonbat who claims whites had no role in the Texas Revolution or Mexican American war.

since wen is fact a straw man? oh shit....I almost forgot what slapdick I was talking to.
please post where you say I said that .
if you can then you must be able to do magic.

I never said either of those things ,saying I did just strengthens the fact you are an ignorant slapdick.

 

[daws101]

After the Mexican War of Independence (1810–1821), the newly independent Mexican government attempted to gain control of all its regions, including Texas. The Mexican-American War (1845– 1848) was sparked over control of Texas and ended with the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, in which Mexico ceded Texas and part of California to the United States (Smith, 2000). After the MexicanAmerican War, the government was considerably weakened and faced reconstruction problems and economic hardships.
The popular rejection of dictator Porfirio Díaz led to the Mexican Revolution of 1910, a violent social and cultural movement. Though the Constitutional Congress approved a new constitution in 1917, the violence continued until 1920. During the first half of the twentieth century, the increased stability of the government helped advance economic and social development. Because of recent changes in economic policy, especially those attributable to the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement (Sanchez & Karp, 2000), an agreement to establish mutually advantageous trade rules between North American countries (NAFTA Secretariat, 1992), Mexico has seen higher economic growth, including a surge in foreign investment and trade.
http://www.cdc.gov/tb/publications/guidestoolkits/EthnographicGuides/Mexico/chapters/chapter1.pdf

Mexican-American War: Roots of the Conflict
1836-1846

President James K. Polk. Photograph Courtesy of the Library of Congress

By Kennedy Hickman
Military History Exper
http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/mexicanamericanwar/a/MexicanCause.htm#

http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/mexicanamericanwar/a/MexicanCause.htm#


Updated October 20, 2015.
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Texas Freedom
The origins of the Mexican-American War can largely be traced back to Texas winning its independence from Mexico in 1836. Following his defeat at the Battle of San Jacinto (4/21/1836), Mexican General Antonio López de Santa Anna was captured and forced to recognize the sovereignty of the Republic of Texas in exchange for his freedom. The Mexican government however, refused to honor Santa Anna’s agreement, stating that he was not authorized to make such a deal and that it still considered Texas a province in rebellion. Any thoughts the Mexican government had of recovering the territory quickly were eliminated when the new Republic of Texas received diplomatic recognition from the United States, Great Britain, and France.

Statehood
During the next nine years, many Texans openly favored annexation by the United States, however Washington rejected the issue. Many in the North were concerned about adding another “slave” state to the Union, while others were concerned about provoking a conflict with Mexico.



In 1844, Democrat James K. Polk was elected to the presidency on a pro-annexation platform. Acting quickly, his predecessor, John Tyler, initiated statehood proceedings in Congress before Polk took office. Texas officially joined the Union on December 29, 1845. In response to this action, Mexico threatened war, but was persuaded against it by the British and French.

Tensions Rise
After rebuffing an American offer to purchase the California and New Mexico Territories, tensions between the US and Mexico rose further in 1846, over a border dispute. Since its independence, Texas claimed the Rio Grande as its southern border, while Mexico claimed the Nueces River farther to the north. As the situation worsened, both sides sent troops to the area.

Thornton Affair
On the evening of April 25, 1846, while leading 70 US Dragoons to investigate a hacienda in the disputed territory between the rivers, Captain Seth Thornton stumbled upon a force of 2,000 Mexican soldiers. A fierce firefight ensued and 16 of Thornton’s men were killed before the remainder was forced to surrender. On May 11, 1846, Polk, citing the Thornton Affair asked Congress to declare war on Mexico. After two days of debate Congress voted for war—not knowing that the conflict had already escalated.
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not one thing about white immigration to being the cause .
btw it's the Mexican American war not the second Mexican revolution as you Fictitiously define it.

 

[Weatherman2020]

After the Mexican War of Independence (1810–1821), the newly independent Mexican government attempted to gain control of all its regions, including Texas. The Mexican-American War (1845– 1848) was sparked over control of Texas and ended with the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, in which Mexico ceded Texas and part of California to the United States (Smith, 2000). After the MexicanAmerican War, the government was considerably weakened and faced reconstruction problems and economic hardships.
The popular rejection of dictator Porfirio Díaz led to the Mexican Revolution of 1910, a violent social and cultural movement. Though the Constitutional Congress approved a new constitution in 1917, the violence continued until 1920. During the first half of the twentieth century, the increased stability of the government helped advance economic and social development. Because of recent changes in economic policy, especially those attributable to the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement (Sanchez & Karp, 2000), an agreement to establish mutually advantageous trade rules between North American countries (NAFTA Secretariat, 1992), Mexico has seen higher economic growth, including a surge in foreign investment and trade.
http://www.cdc.gov/tb/publications/guidestoolkits/EthnographicGuides/Mexico/chapters/chapter1.pdf

Mexican-American War: Roots of the Conflict
1836-1846

President James K. Polk. Photograph Courtesy of the Library of Congress

By Kennedy Hickman
Military History Exper



Updated October 20, 2015.
Contents | Next Page

Texas Freedom
The origins of the Mexican-American War can largely be traced back to Texas winning its independence from Mexico in 1836. Following his defeat at the Battle of San Jacinto (4/21/1836), Mexican General Antonio López de Santa Anna was captured and forced to recognize the sovereignty of the Republic of Texas in exchange for his freedom. The Mexican government however, refused to honor Santa Anna’s agreement, stating that he was not authorized to make such a deal and that it still considered Texas a province in rebellion. Any thoughts the Mexican government had of recovering the territory quickly were eliminated when the new Republic of Texas received diplomatic recognition from the United States, Great Britain, and France.

Statehood
During the next nine years, many Texans openly favored annexation by the United States, however Washington rejected the issue. Many in the North were concerned about adding another “slave” state to the Union, while others were concerned about provoking a conflict with Mexico.



In 1844, Democrat James K. Polk was elected to the presidency on a pro-annexation platform. Acting quickly, his predecessor, John Tyler, initiated statehood proceedings in Congress before Polk took office. Texas officially joined the Union on December 29, 1845. In response to this action, Mexico threatened war, but was persuaded against it by the British and French.

Tensions Rise
After rebuffing an American offer to purchase the California and New Mexico Territories, tensions between the US and Mexico rose further in 1846, over a border dispute. Since its independence, Texas claimed the Rio Grande as its southern border, while Mexico claimed the Nueces River farther to the north. As the situation worsened, both sides sent troops to the area.

Thornton Affair
On the evening of April 25, 1846, while leading 70 US Dragoons to investigate a hacienda in the disputed territory between the rivers, Captain Seth Thornton stumbled upon a force of 2,000 Mexican soldiers. A fierce firefight ensued and 16 of Thornton’s men were killed before the remainder was forced to surrender. On May 11, 1846, Polk, citing the Thornton Affair asked Congress to declare war on Mexico. After two days of debate Congress voted for war—not knowing that the conflict had already escalated.
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not one thing about white immigration to being the cause .
btw it's the Mexican American war not the second Mexican revolution as you Fictitiously define it.

Moonbat thinks Sam Houston and his men were Mexican natives, hilarious.

 

[daws101]

After the Mexican War of Independence (1810–1821), the newly independent Mexican government attempted to gain control of all its regions, including Texas. The Mexican-American War (1845– 1848) was sparked over control of Texas and ended with the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, in which Mexico ceded Texas and part of California to the United States (Smith, 2000). After the MexicanAmerican War, the government was considerably weakened and faced reconstruction problems and economic hardships.
The popular rejection of dictator Porfirio Díaz led to the Mexican Revolution of 1910, a violent social and cultural movement. Though the Constitutional Congress approved a new constitution in 1917, the violence continued until 1920. During the first half of the twentieth century, the increased stability of the government helped advance economic and social development. Because of recent changes in economic policy, especially those attributable to the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement (Sanchez & Karp, 2000), an agreement to establish mutually advantageous trade rules between North American countries (NAFTA Secretariat, 1992), Mexico has seen higher economic growth, including a surge in foreign investment and trade.
http://www.cdc.gov/tb/publications/guidestoolkits/EthnographicGuides/Mexico/chapters/chapter1.pdf

Mexican-American War: Roots of the Conflict
1836-1846

President James K. Polk. Photograph Courtesy of the Library of Congress

By Kennedy Hickman
Military History Exper



Updated October 20, 2015.
Contents | Next Page

Texas Freedom
The origins of the Mexican-American War can largely be traced back to Texas winning its independence from Mexico in 1836. Following his defeat at the Battle of San Jacinto (4/21/1836), Mexican General Antonio López de Santa Anna was captured and forced to recognize the sovereignty of the Republic of Texas in exchange for his freedom. The Mexican government however, refused to honor Santa Anna’s agreement, stating that he was not authorized to make such a deal and that it still considered Texas a province in rebellion. Any thoughts the Mexican government had of recovering the territory quickly were eliminated when the new Republic of Texas received diplomatic recognition from the United States, Great Britain, and France.

Statehood
During the next nine years, many Texans openly favored annexation by the United States, however Washington rejected the issue. Many in the North were concerned about adding another “slave” state to the Union, while others were concerned about provoking a conflict with Mexico.



In 1844, Democrat James K. Polk was elected to the presidency on a pro-annexation platform. Acting quickly, his predecessor, John Tyler, initiated statehood proceedings in Congress before Polk took office. Texas officially joined the Union on December 29, 1845. In response to this action, Mexico threatened war, but was persuaded against it by the British and French.

Tensions Rise
After rebuffing an American offer to purchase the California and New Mexico Territories, tensions between the US and Mexico rose further in 1846, over a border dispute. Since its independence, Texas claimed the Rio Grande as its southern border, while Mexico claimed the Nueces River farther to the north. As the situation worsened, both sides sent troops to the area.

Thornton Affair
On the evening of April 25, 1846, while leading 70 US Dragoons to investigate a hacienda in the disputed territory between the rivers, Captain Seth Thornton stumbled upon a force of 2,000 Mexican soldiers. A fierce firefight ensued and 16 of Thornton’s men were killed before the remainder was forced to surrender. On May 11, 1846, Polk, citing the Thornton Affair asked Congress to declare war on Mexico. After two days of debate Congress voted for war—not knowing that the conflict had already escalated.
brian_dawson1's Library

not one thing about white immigration to being the cause .
btw it's the Mexican American war not the second Mexican revolution as you Fictitiously define it.

Moonbat thinks Sam Houston and his men were Mexican natives, hilarious.

Never said that either .
Hallucinate often?
Your desperation is palpable.

 

[Weatherman2020]

After the Mexican War of Independence (1810–1821), the newly independent Mexican government attempted to gain control of all its regions, including Texas. The Mexican-American War (1845– 1848) was sparked over control of Texas and ended with the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, in which Mexico ceded Texas and part of California to the United States (Smith, 2000). After the MexicanAmerican War, the government was considerably weakened and faced reconstruction problems and economic hardships.
The popular rejection of dictator Porfirio Díaz led to the Mexican Revolution of 1910, a violent social and cultural movement. Though the Constitutional Congress approved a new constitution in 1917, the violence continued until 1920. During the first half of the twentieth century, the increased stability of the government helped advance economic and social development. Because of recent changes in economic policy, especially those attributable to the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement (Sanchez & Karp, 2000), an agreement to establish mutually advantageous trade rules between North American countries (NAFTA Secretariat, 1992), Mexico has seen higher economic growth, including a surge in foreign investment and trade.
http://www.cdc.gov/tb/publications/guidestoolkits/EthnographicGuides/Mexico/chapters/chapter1.pdf

Mexican-American War: Roots of the Conflict
1836-1846

President James K. Polk. Photograph Courtesy of the Library of Congress

By Kennedy Hickman
Military History Exper



Updated October 20, 2015.
Contents | Next Page

Texas Freedom
The origins of the Mexican-American War can largely be traced back to Texas winning its independence from Mexico in 1836. Following his defeat at the Battle of San Jacinto (4/21/1836), Mexican General Antonio López de Santa Anna was captured and forced to recognize the sovereignty of the Republic of Texas in exchange for his freedom. The Mexican government however, refused to honor Santa Anna’s agreement, stating that he was not authorized to make such a deal and that it still considered Texas a province in rebellion. Any thoughts the Mexican government had of recovering the territory quickly were eliminated when the new Republic of Texas received diplomatic recognition from the United States, Great Britain, and France.

Statehood
During the next nine years, many Texans openly favored annexation by the United States, however Washington rejected the issue. Many in the North were concerned about adding another “slave” state to the Union, while others were concerned about provoking a conflict with Mexico.



In 1844, Democrat James K. Polk was elected to the presidency on a pro-annexation platform. Acting quickly, his predecessor, John Tyler, initiated statehood proceedings in Congress before Polk took office. Texas officially joined the Union on December 29, 1845. In response to this action, Mexico threatened war, but was persuaded against it by the British and French.

Tensions Rise
After rebuffing an American offer to purchase the California and New Mexico Territories, tensions between the US and Mexico rose further in 1846, over a border dispute. Since its independence, Texas claimed the Rio Grande as its southern border, while Mexico claimed the Nueces River farther to the north. As the situation worsened, both sides sent troops to the area.

Thornton Affair
On the evening of April 25, 1846, while leading 70 US Dragoons to investigate a hacienda in the disputed territory between the rivers, Captain Seth Thornton stumbled upon a force of 2,000 Mexican soldiers. A fierce firefight ensued and 16 of Thornton’s men were killed before the remainder was forced to surrender. On May 11, 1846, Polk, citing the Thornton Affair asked Congress to declare war on Mexico. After two days of debate Congress voted for war—not knowing that the conflict had already escalated.
brian_dawson1's Library

not one thing about white immigration to being the cause .
btw it's the Mexican American war not the second Mexican revolution as you Fictitiously define it.

Moonbat thinks Sam Houston and his men were Mexican natives, hilarious.

Never said that either .
Hallucinate often?
Your desperation is palpable.

Youre certifiable. Says whites had nothing to do with the Texas Revolution or Mexican American war and posts about Polk and Houston.

 

[daws101]

After the Mexican War of Independence (1810–1821), the newly independent Mexican government attempted to gain control of all its regions, including Texas. The Mexican-American War (1845– 1848) was sparked over control of Texas and ended with the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, in which Mexico ceded Texas and part of California to the United States (Smith, 2000). After the MexicanAmerican War, the government was considerably weakened and faced reconstruction problems and economic hardships.
The popular rejection of dictator Porfirio Díaz led to the Mexican Revolution of 1910, a violent social and cultural movement. Though the Constitutional Congress approved a new constitution in 1917, the violence continued until 1920. During the first half of the twentieth century, the increased stability of the government helped advance economic and social development. Because of recent changes in economic policy, especially those attributable to the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement (Sanchez & Karp, 2000), an agreement to establish mutually advantageous trade rules between North American countries (NAFTA Secretariat, 1992), Mexico has seen higher economic growth, including a surge in foreign investment and trade.
http://www.cdc.gov/tb/publications/guidestoolkits/EthnographicGuides/Mexico/chapters/chapter1.pdf

Mexican-American War: Roots of the Conflict
1836-1846

President James K. Polk. Photograph Courtesy of the Library of Congress

By Kennedy Hickman
Military History Exper



Updated October 20, 2015.
Contents | Next Page

Texas Freedom
The origins of the Mexican-American War can largely be traced back to Texas winning its independence from Mexico in 1836. Following his defeat at the Battle of San Jacinto (4/21/1836), Mexican General Antonio López de Santa Anna was captured and forced to recognize the sovereignty of the Republic of Texas in exchange for his freedom. The Mexican government however, refused to honor Santa Anna’s agreement, stating that he was not authorized to make such a deal and that it still considered Texas a province in rebellion. Any thoughts the Mexican government had of recovering the territory quickly were eliminated when the new Republic of Texas received diplomatic recognition from the United States, Great Britain, and France.

Statehood
During the next nine years, many Texans openly favored annexation by the United States, however Washington rejected the issue. Many in the North were concerned about adding another “slave” state to the Union, while others were concerned about provoking a conflict with Mexico.



In 1844, Democrat James K. Polk was elected to the presidency on a pro-annexation platform. Acting quickly, his predecessor, John Tyler, initiated statehood proceedings in Congress before Polk took office. Texas officially joined the Union on December 29, 1845. In response to this action, Mexico threatened war, but was persuaded against it by the British and French.

Tensions Rise
After rebuffing an American offer to purchase the California and New Mexico Territories, tensions between the US and Mexico rose further in 1846, over a border dispute. Since its independence, Texas claimed the Rio Grande as its southern border, while Mexico claimed the Nueces River farther to the north. As the situation worsened, both sides sent troops to the area.

Thornton Affair
On the evening of April 25, 1846, while leading 70 US Dragoons to investigate a hacienda in the disputed territory between the rivers, Captain Seth Thornton stumbled upon a force of 2,000 Mexican soldiers. A fierce firefight ensued and 16 of Thornton’s men were killed before the remainder was forced to surrender. On May 11, 1846, Polk, citing the Thornton Affair asked Congress to declare war on Mexico. After two days of debate Congress voted for war—not knowing that the conflict had already escalated.
brian_dawson1's Library

not one thing about white immigration to being the cause .
btw it's the Mexican American war not the second Mexican revolution as you Fictitiously define it.

Moonbat thinks Sam Houston and his men were Mexican natives, hilarious.

Never said that either .
Hallucinate often?
Your desperation is palpable.

Youre certifiable. Says whites had nothing to do with the Texas Revolution or Mexican American war and posts about Polk and Houston.

Never said that nor does the article.
Delusional much?

 

[August West]

The Communist aggressors invaded in order to spread their glorious Communist beliefs upon others. 40 years later, the Vietnamese people are the highest ranking believers of a free market on the planet.

One of the greatest tragic comedies in world history.
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Communist Vietnam just adores global capitalism—and it’s easy to see why

Read the Pentagon Papers or David Halberstam`s The Best And The Brightest and then repost. That way you won`t sound like such a fool.

What in the he'll do they have to do with the Comminists invading in order to force millions under their red thumb?

Grow a brain cell.

The Vietnamese invaded Vietnam. Again, I urge you to read something.

 

[Two Thumbs]

The Communist aggressors invaded in order to spread their glorious Communist beliefs upon others. 40 years later, the Vietnamese people are the highest ranking believers of a free market on the planet.

One of the greatest tragic comedies in world history.
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Communist Vietnam just adores global capitalism—and it’s easy to see why

so people that live in socialist utopias want to live in a free market hell?

whodathunkit

 

[gipper]

Well in your article for one they are still in the honeymoon phase

Of course, capitalism is always easier to love during an economic expansion

Problem is instead of the government providing, the wealthy do, and the wealthy are greedy, the US is a developed country which has become plutocratic. Vietnam will also in due time, once the few elitist rule all and dictate and buy those in power , will see what happens when the poor in their country become even more poor and the rich , richer.

Yeah they will want communism to return, should they have an economic downturn. If you believe that, you will believe anything.

You might want to research the horrors Vietnam endured after the war under communism...I doubt there are more than a very small percentage of Vietnamese who would like to return to that.

Only American leftists think communism is good.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Over a Million Died in Vietnam for Nothing"

And conservatives and republicans have failed to learn this lesson from history, where most on the right seek to make the same mistake in the ME, with the same tragic results.

 

[gipper]

"Over a Million Died in Vietnam for Nothing"

And conservatives and republicans have failed to learn this lesson from history, where most on the right seek to make the same mistake in the ME, with the same tragic results.

Wrong again...how can you be so consistently wrong?

The D and R parties love war and do you know why? Yeah....I know... you have no clue why.

This:
War is the health of the STATE!!!!

 

[Penelope]

Well in your article for one they are still in the honeymoon phase

Of course, capitalism is always easier to love during an economic expansion

Problem is instead of the government providing, the wealthy do, and the wealthy are greedy, the US is a developed country which has become plutocratic. Vietnam will also in due time, once the few elitist rule all and dictate and buy those in power , will see what happens when the poor in their country become even more poor and the rich , richer.

Yes...the government believes that taxing you at 50% in state, local and federal taxes while you are alive is fine....and then coming back in for another 25-50% after you die.......and those who actually make the money by working for it are the greedy ones?

Please...do some thinking before you post.

That is how the US grew, look at the taxes of the rich since the 1900's.