freeandfun1
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elephant said:First I never said all Germans were Nazis nice try. Second I could not care less about whether they were 'official' member. The unofficial followers are still count. Not all Catholics are priests or nuns, there is hierarchy in everything nice try. Third I never whined about "look at all the people killed in the name of God or Christ." Someone on the board said 'Nazis were not Christians.' I disagree, but now you are assuming I am attacking religion or that I think killing in the name of God is bad thing.
We will have to agree to disagree.
I fundamentally believe that modern Christians wish to distance themselves from people like the Nazis and this makes good sense if the current Christian thinking is that the Nazis were wrong but maybe this is just lip-service to keep membership up, those 1930s-1940s Nazis still have a pretty bad reputation. This is why this is even a discussion. If the Nazis, or if you prefer the people who supported the Nazis and followed them into a war against the rest of the world but were not allowed to be official members, had been Muslims, the current Christian thinking would be something like, of course they were.
If the masses (not official members, so I know they do not count) were mislead by false religion, but they did not know it was false (like you claim to factually prove now after the fact), the masses believed (not having abandoned their religious faith which they felt ok about; due to Point #24 and the lip-service mentioning of Christianity, which you agree occurred) that what they were doing was for God. This makes them Christians in my mind. They were what they believed they were Christians and followers of Nazism even of the official party did not like it.
Or maybe we agree I cannot tell anymore. And yes I am a wise-ass, wise-ass Elephant.
You don't have a clue. Saying you are a Christian does not make you a Christian - period. Guilt by association is what you are trying to imply. So, just because the Nazi's said they accepted Christianity (or better, could "live" with it) that does not make Germany "Christian". You continue to ignore my factual contention that the Christian Church in Germany was APOSTATE. They called themselves "Christian", much as most of Europe does today, yet they did not practice the tenants of Christianity.
You are just trying your damndest to link Christianity to Nazism and it ain't gonna work.