Oops: CBO Says GOP Health Care ‘Alternative’ Leaves 52 Million Uninsured By 2019

[Oddball]

What crisis?

 

[Si modo]

And the letter is a summary of the report, a report which came out weeks ago and you couldn't be bothered to read the report then, rather you parroted what someone in the press said. That's what you do; you parrot.

I'm not parroting and you're trolling. So again, if you would like to discuss that thread, go to that thread.

I'll say the same thing I said in that thread you made weeks ago. You parrot what others tell you to think. The CBO report clearly indicates that the savings are more than significant with the Republican's proposals.

 

[Modbert]

I'll say the same thing I said in that thread you made weeks ago. You parrot what others tell you to think. The CBO report clearly indicates that the savings are more than significant with the Republican's proposals.

Because it doesn't do anything. It certainly is cheap to put a Bandage on a gaping wound.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Jack the deficit by $8 to $10 billion to achieve no significant results???????

Now THERE'S a real plan????????????????????

 

[LibocalypseNow]

The fining and possible imprisoning of American Citizens for not having Health Insurance was always a No-Go for me with the Democratic plan. This Republican Plan does not include that so i can now consider it a real possibility for Health Care reform. Hey just my opinion anyway.

 

[DiamondDave]

1) I think there should be laws against coverage refusal for pre-existing conditions.. but that the market should determine what the charges for each insurance policy should be based on risk, etc
2) You WANT improvement for your agenda.. you do not "NEED" a government 'solution'
3) Your finances and your well being are your personal issue.. whether it be your treatment, how you pay for it, whether you go bankrupt, whether you have to do without cable tv, whether you have to work 3 jobs to pay for something, or whatever else
4) Christianity is not about forced support... nice try... so if I wish to continue donating to the church or St. Jude's children's fund out of the goodness of my heart, that is up to me.. but not up to you to force me to do so
5) Being against gay marriage but for equality in civil unions for legal means such as inheritance, power of attorney, joint tax returns, etc has nothing to do in this discussion... but nice try

1.) You do realize that a pre-existing condition against a woman who was a victim of domestic abuse is just as bad as making her pay out the nose?

2.) I want improvement for this country. The GOP plan will not do anything.

3.) You seem to be in agreeing with Dubya that it's really American to have 3 jobs. Despite the fact even with 3 jobs you still can't afford health insurance.

4/5.) Christianity is not about forced support. However, whatever happened to being your brother's keeper. You seem to lap up the whole part about Gays in the Bible but not that part. Why is that?

By the way, what you're proposing is this:

Separate but equal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1) I said I believe there should be laws that keep such things revolving around pre-existing conditions from happening..... I have already agreed with you....
2) You want improvement... do what you can with your funds to do it.. raise voluntary monies.. start a charity.. start your own insurance company that has a will to provide to those who are in harder situations... but you do not have the right to do your 'improvement' for personal well being of one at the expense of the personal freedoms of another
3) Nice try, asshole.. what I am saying and have been saying is your well being, your earnings, how you pay for things you want and need, what insurance you have or buy, etc is on YOU... and if you got to go back to school, train yourself better, work 2 or 3 jobs, or whatever else to earn the extra money you want or need, then so be it.. that is on you, buddy boy
4&5) I never used anything form the bible for or against gay marriage or my stance on it.. but nice try... and as I already stated, Christianity is not about forced support, but your choice to do things out of the goodness of your own heart.... not about you forcing me to contribute or do things for what you wish could be done for YOUR wishes

By the way.. I am not proposing anything of the sort.. but nice try... try actually reading what I have stated that I support.. not what you make up to try and paint your picture

 

[DiamondDave]

Jack the deficit by $8 to $10 billion to achieve no significant results???????

Now THERE'S a real plan????????????????????

Yeah.. you would rather support the one that spends over a trillion to worsen the quality of the system and infringe on personal rights

Now that's brilliant

 

[nodoginnafight]

Jack the deficit by $8 to $10 billion to achieve no significant results???????

Now THERE'S a real plan????????????????????

Yeah.. you would rather support the one that spends over a trillion to worsen the quality of the system and infringe on personal rights

Now that's brilliant

Where did I say that? Please provide the quote or link.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Hey at least you can actually read the Republican Plan. The Reid & Pelosi behemoth can't even be interpreted or understood by the same people who wrote it. So how can anyone else possibly understand it? The Republican Plan is far more coherent. They had me as soon as they took out the fining & possible imprisoning of American Citizens for not having Health Insurance. The cutting costs and no higher taxes was a nice bonus too.

 

[nodoginnafight]

at least you finally let go of the "reduces the deficit" nonesense.

 

[DiamondDave]

Jack the deficit by $8 to $10 billion to achieve no significant results???????

Now THERE'S a real plan????????????????????

Yeah.. you would rather support the one that spends over a trillion to worsen the quality of the system and infringe on personal rights

Now that's brilliant

Where did I say that? Please provide the quote or link.

So you support neither... same as me

Then I guess the question is better asked of which one do you support more.?? Or asking if you support the government giving care of personal responsibility and well being to the non-contributor at the sake of the contributor?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

They've been locked out by the Democrats on all Health Care meetings yet they have managed to come up with a far more realistic & coherent plan. I have to give the Republicans some credit for accomplishing that feat.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Yeah.. you would rather support the one that spends over a trillion to worsen the quality of the system and infringe on personal rights

Now that's brilliant

Where did I say that? Please provide the quote or link.

So you support neither... same as me

Then I guess the question is better asked of which one do you support more.?? Or asking if you support the government giving care of personal responsibility and well being to the non-contributor at the sake of the contributor?

My main goals are to provide an affordable option for the "working poor" and to get primary care out of the ER . I'd like to achieve these as efficiently and cost effectively as possible.

I'm waiting to see what gets through the process before deciding which I think achieves those goals better.

 

[DiamondDave]

Where did I say that? Please provide the quote or link.

So you support neither... same as me

Then I guess the question is better asked of which one do you support more.?? Or asking if you support the government giving care of personal responsibility and well being to the non-contributor at the sake of the contributor?

My main goals are to provide an affordable option for the "working poor" and to get primary care out of the ER . I'd like to achieve these as efficiently and cost effectively as possible.

I'm waiting to see what gets through the process before deciding which I think achieves those goals better.

Provide or make available??

And if you do mean provide?? Then forcing the payment of the personal well being of one non-contributor at the expense of the contributor??

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Hey look,this Republican plan doesn't fine or imprison American Citizens for not having Health Insurance. So this plan can be a starter for me. I still have no idea what Reid & Pelosi's massive debacle is all about. That plan is so awful i don't even think Pelosi & Reid understand that mess. Yikes!

 

[ThePickledPunk]

So you support neither... same as me

Then I guess the question is better asked of which one do you support more.?? Or asking if you support the government giving care of personal responsibility and well being to the non-contributor at the sake of the contributor?

My main goals are to provide an affordable option for the "working poor" and to get primary care out of the ER . I'd like to achieve these as efficiently and cost effectively as possible.

I'm waiting to see what gets through the process before deciding which I think achieves those goals better.

Provide or make available??

And if you do mean provide?? Then forcing the payment of the personal well being of one non-contributor at the expense of the contributor??

Come on ,Dave....haven't you heard? Health Insurance is a RIGHT. Its not about being able to afford it, or improving your position in life so that it is more accessible, or prioritizing your families needs... its about what you are OWED....

 

[nodoginnafight]

So you support neither... same as me

Then I guess the question is better asked of which one do you support more.?? Or asking if you support the government giving care of personal responsibility and well being to the non-contributor at the sake of the contributor?

My main goals are to provide an affordable option for the "working poor" and to get primary care out of the ER . I'd like to achieve these as efficiently and cost effectively as possible.

I'm waiting to see what gets through the process before deciding which I think achieves those goals better.

Provide or make available??

And if you do mean provide?? Then forcing the payment of the personal well being of one non-contributor at the expense of the contributor??

Provide an affordable option. And if that means forcing people to cover themselves to reduce the costs that the rest of us pay for their healthcare, then that's fine with me. Why should I be paying for 100% of their healthcare (our current system) without expecting them to contribute a dime themselves? If they earn enough money to get cable TV, then they have enough money to contribute to their own healthcare without choosing to spend their money on other things and letting me pick up 100% of the tab for their healthcare.

If subsidizing their coverage means that now I'm only responsible for 50% of their healthcare costs instead of the 100% we currently pay - then I consider that progress.

Taxpayers subsidize public health as it is - I want to see us do it more cost-effectively. Getting primary care out of the ER is a big step in that direction.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

The Republican Plan at least preserves some Freedoms & Liberties. The Democrat plan is just an oppressive & incoherent Socialist debacle.

 

[Oddball]

Provide an affordable option. And if that means forcing people.....

That says it all, right there.

 

[Dr.House]

Provide an affordable option. And if that means forcing people.....

That says it all, right there.

Makes you wonder what other things he'd like to force upon his fellow Americans...