Oops: CBO Says GOP Health Care ‘Alternative’ Leaves 52 Million Uninsured By 2019

[nodoginnafight]

Does the Republican preserve the "freedom" of others to spend their money on things other than healthcare secure in the knowledge that the rest of us will pick up 100% of their healthcare costs for them?

affording those people that "FREEDOM" costs the rest of us a whole lot of money. Do they really need for us to preserve that "right" for them?

So glad you "freedom warriors" are out there fighting for those "rights." I for one, hope you lose.

 

[Oddball]

Does the Republican preserve the "freedom" of others to spend their money on things other than healthcare secure in the knowledge that the rest of us will pick up 100% of their healthcare costs for them?

affording those people that "FREEDOM" costs the rest of us a whole lot of money. Do they really need for us to preserve that "right" for them?

Flawed premise.......again.

Who says people who have no insurance are deadbeats by default?

 

[DiamondDave]

My main goals are to provide an affordable option for the "working poor" and to get primary care out of the ER . I'd like to achieve these as efficiently and cost effectively as possible.

I'm waiting to see what gets through the process before deciding which I think achieves those goals better.

Provide or make available??

And if you do mean provide?? Then forcing the payment of the personal well being of one non-contributor at the expense of the contributor??

Provide an affordable option. And if that means forcing people to cover themselves to reduce the costs that the rest of us pay for their healthcare, then that's fine with me. Why should I be paying for 100% of their healthcare (our current system) without expecting them to contribute a dime themselves? If they earn enough money to get cable TV, then they have enough money to contribute to their own healthcare without choosing to spend their money on other things and letting me pick up 100% of the tab for their healthcare.

If subsidizing their coverage means that now I'm only responsible for 50% of their healthcare costs instead of the 100% we currently pay - then I consider that progress.

Taxpayers subsidize public health as it is - I want to see us do it more cost-effectively. Getting primary care out of the ER is a big step in that direction.

I consider that theft and the infringement of the rights of others....

Is it progress if I only paralyze 50% of your body and not leaving you in a coma after I beat the snot out of you?? And because it's 'progress' it is not wrong?

There are things that exist to subsidize treatments and causes and hospital bills and so many other things... those are charities and those should be supported and encouraged.. but I would never condone you being forced to contribute to one

Otherwise.. I appreciate you explaining things in your first paragraph

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Yea the whole Fining and possibly imprisoning American Citizens for not having Health Insurance was always a No-Go for me with the Democratic plan. At least this Republican Plan dumps that awful stuff. It's not a perfect plan but at least it preserves some Freedoms & Liberties. Pelosi & Reid's massive Socialist debacle does the exact opposite.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Pull a segment of a quote and try to argue with THAT rather than the entire position.

Pretty typical of folks who just come here to curse and namecall.

If YOU want to protect the rights of other to choose to dig into YOUR wallet to pay 100% of their healthcare costs - knock yourself out - to each his or her own I guess. But like I said, I hope you lose.

 

[ThePickledPunk]

Pull a segment of a quote and try to argue with THAT rather than the entire position.

Pretty typical of folks who just come here to curse and namecall.

If YOU want to protect the rights of other to choose to dig into YOUR wallet to pay 100% of their healthcare costs - knock yourself out - to each his or her own I guess. But like I said, I hope you lose.

This lib has an interesting way of saying "You owe it to me to pay for my health insurance"

 

[nodoginnafight]

It appears there are those who are so entrenched in hyper-partisan rhetoric, that they will pay double what they should be paying just to protect their rhetoric.

Sad and tragic .... but not completely unexpected.

 

[Emma]

Then all they have to do is BUY IT THEM-FUCKING-SELVES

You have the choice to buy insurance or not.. as long as it is made available, it is upon you to do what it takes to purchase it for yourself if you want it... and that is what this and other options are about... not some fairytale leftist wish for healthcare provided to you by the government at the expense of someone else

Adn just who do you think is paying for the uninsured's care now when they go to the local emergency room? The health insurance fairy?

Ahhh... but if you choose not to go to the hospital that has handed out 'free care' to illegals or those who do not pay, then you don't have to....

lol

Of course you do.

 

[ThePickledPunk]

It appears there are those who are so entrenched in hyper-partisan rhetoric, that they will pay double what they should be paying just to protect their rhetoric.

Sad and tragic .... but not completely unexpected.

Actually, most of us would like to see a system where individuals take responsibility for themselves, instead of elevating every one of their wants into a right, thereby forcing the responsible to take care of the Left.

 

[Emma]

My main goals are to provide an affordable option for the "working poor" and to get primary care out of the ER . I'd like to achieve these as efficiently and cost effectively as possible.

I'm waiting to see what gets through the process before deciding which I think achieves those goals better.

Provide or make available??

And if you do mean provide?? Then forcing the payment of the personal well being of one non-contributor at the expense of the contributor??

Provide an affordable option. And if that means forcing people to cover themselves to reduce the costs that the rest of us pay for their healthcare, then that's fine with me. Why should I be paying for 100% of their healthcare (our current system) without expecting them to contribute a dime themselves? If they earn enough money to get cable TV, then they have enough money to contribute to their own healthcare without choosing to spend their money on other things and letting me pick up 100% of the tab for their healthcare.

If subsidizing their coverage means that now I'm only responsible for 50% of their healthcare costs instead of the 100% we currently pay - then I consider that progress.

Taxpayers subsidize public health as it is - I want to see us do it more cost-effectively. Getting primary care out of the ER is a big step in that direction.

Amen. Although I'd hesitate to call it primary care, I know what you mean.

 

[Meister]

You know what pisses me off...well, I'm going to tell you. We have millions of Americans that can afford to buy their own insurance, and for whatever reason decide not to. Then of those, there will be a percentage of them that has something go wrong with them, that turns out to be catastrofic as far as expense. Then they try to get insurance after the fact, and are denied. Then we have to pay for their stupidity. There is something wrong with this kind of mindset. If they had insurance to begin with, they wouldn't have the problem of being denied. Can it get any simpler than that?

 

[ThePickledPunk]

It appears there are those who are so entrenched in hyper-partisan rhetoric, that they will pay double what they should be paying just to protect their rhetoric.

Sad and tragic .... but not completely unexpected.

And I am aware that there are expenses involved with taking care of those that will not take care of themselves. Unlike you, I am unwilling to just say "fuck it, here's my wallet" to everyone lefty that wants to increase the number of outreached hands.

 

[ThePickledPunk]

You know what pisses me off...well, I'm going to tell you. We have millions of Americans that can afford to buy their own insurance, and for whatever reason decide not to. Then of those, there will be a percentage of them that has something go wrong with them, that turns out to be catastrofic as far as expense. Then they try to get insurance after the fact, and are denied. Then we have to pay for their stupidity. There is something wrong with this kind of mindset. If they had insurance to begin with, they wouldn't have the problem of being denied. Can it get any simpler than that?

yeah- if we just force insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions, or have a public option that does, the problem you describe won't explode....

 

[nodoginnafight]

Yes, by all means try to hold onto the myth of "free" healthcare if that's what it takes to defend nonsensical hyper-partisan rhetoric.

If a person is truly needy and truly can't afford a dime towards their own healthcare costs, that's one issue. If a person COULD contribute toward their own healthcare but opts to exercise their "freedom" to choose to spend their money on other things confident in the knowledge that everyone else will pick up 100% of their healthcare costs - that's a completely different matter imho.

Health reform should address both - which will ease the costs. One big reason costs are skyrocketing is to cover the expenses of those who pay nothing for THEIR service. And make no mistake - we ALL pay for that.

 

[DiamondDave]

Adn just who do you think is paying for the uninsured's care now when they go to the local emergency room? The health insurance fairy?

Ahhh... but if you choose not to go to the hospital that has handed out 'free care' to illegals or those who do not pay, then you don't have to....

lol

Of course you do.

Yes.. in actuality you do.... I have chosen to have procedures done at certain hospitals rather than others, even though they were farther away... some of those choices because of the facility, some based on cost, and yes even one because I found out that the elective surgery that I was having was much more expensive there... and I did do research and find out that that hospital was giving 'free' care in a clinic to illegals (it had been reported in the news a couple years before).. I discussed options with my doctor and decided on a private surgery center which was cheaper.. you can honestly deduce that one of the reasons it could be cheaper was because the private center was not handing out stuff to illegals and passing the cost off onto other patients

 

[ThePickledPunk]

You know what pisses me off...well, I'm going to tell you. We have millions of Americans that can afford to buy their own insurance, and for whatever reason decide not to. Then of those, there will be a percentage of them that has something go wrong with them, that turns out to be catastrofic as far as expense. Then they try to get insurance after the fact, and are denied. Then we have to pay for their stupidity. There is something wrong with this kind of mindset. If they had insurance to begin with, they wouldn't have the problem of being denied. Can it get any simpler than that?

yeah- if we just force insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions, or have a public option that does, the problem you describe won't explode....

The problem you describe is why we have reformed Bankruptcy laws that make it very difficult to get a chapter 7 as opposed to a chapter 13.

 

[nodoginnafight]

You know what pisses me off...well, I'm going to tell you. We have millions of Americans that can afford to buy their own insurance, and for whatever reason decide not to. Then of those, there will be a percentage of them that has something go wrong with them, that turns out to be catastrofic as far as expense. Then they try to get insurance after the fact, and are denied. Then we have to pay for their stupidity. There is something wrong with this kind of mindset. If they had insurance to begin with, they wouldn't have the problem of being denied. Can it get any simpler than that?

VERY good points - Sad to say some folks are out there defending the "right" of others to make that foolish choice and force the rest of us to pick up the tab.

 

[ThePickledPunk]

Yes, by all means try to hold onto the myth of "free" healthcare if that's what it takes to defend nonsensical hyper-partisan rhetoric.

If a person is truly needy and truly can't afford a dime towards their own healthcare costs, that's one issue. If a person COULD contribute toward their own healthcare but opts to exercise their "freedom" to choose to spend their money on other things confident in the knowledge that everyone else will pick up 100% of their healthcare costs - that's a completely different matter imho.

Health reform should address both - which will ease the costs. One big reason costs are skyrocketing is to cover the expenses of those who pay nothing for THEIR service. And make no mistake - we ALL pay for that.

The only dopes that believe in free healthcare are you dopes on the left.

 

[VaYank5150]

You know what pisses me off...well, I'm going to tell you. We have millions of Americans that can afford to buy their own insurance, and for whatever reason decide not to. Then of those, there will be a percentage of them that has something go wrong with them, that turns out to be catastrofic as far as expense. Then they try to get insurance after the fact, and are denied. Then we have to pay for their stupidity. There is something wrong with this kind of mindset. If they had insurance to begin with, they wouldn't have the problem of being denied. Can it get any simpler than that?

Hence the provision forcing people to buy insurance...

 

[Emma]

Ahhh... but if you choose not to go to the hospital that has handed out 'free care' to illegals or those who do not pay, then you don't have to....

lol

Of course you do.

Yes.. in actuality you do.... I have chosen to have procedures done at certain hospitals rather than others, even though they were farther away... some of those choices because of the facility, some based on cost, and yes even one because I found out that the elective surgery that I was having was much more expensive there... and I did do research and find out that that hospital was giving 'free' care in a clinic to illegals (it had been reported in the news a couple years before).. I discussed options with my doctor and decided on a private surgery center which was cheaper.. you can honestly deduce that one of the reasons it could be cheaper was because the private center was not handing out stuff to illegals and passing the cost off onto other patients

Using limited ED resources for other than urgent / emergent care adds to health care costs for us all. Regardless of what hospital you choose to go to.