Only 20 percent claim to be Republican

New ABC/WaPo poll out finds that only 20 percent of Americans claim to be Republicans, a 26-year low. Additionally, while a majority believe the country is on the wrong track, 49 percent trust Obama to make the right decisions for the country, versus 34 percent who trust Congressional Democrats, and a paltry 19 percent who trust the Congressional Republicans. (The 20 percent claim to be GOP number is apparently not in the data to which I linked, but ABC reported it on their evening newscast).

Only 20 percent claim to be Republican - Crunchy Con

I wonder whats wrong with that party. :lol:

I know, there will be personal attacks and that is getting boring, lets try to stick to this post and comment on it.




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CNN Poll: Half the country disagrees with Obama on issues
Posted: October 20th, 2009 12:40 PM ET

From CNN Deputy Political Director Paul Steinhauser


CNN Poll: Half the country disagrees with Obama on issues.
WASHINGTON (CNN) – For the first time since he took over in the White House, Americans don't see eye to eye with President Barack Obama on the important issues, according to a new national poll. But the CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey does indicate that a majority approve of how Obama's handling his duties as president.

According to the poll, which was released Tuesday, 48 percent of people questioned say that they agree with Obama on the issues that matter most to them, with 51 percent saying no. That's a switch from April, when 57 percent said they agreed with the president on important issues, with 41 percent disagreeing.

"Obama is facing crunch time on a number of controversial issues, from health care to financial regulation to cap and trade to Afghanistan," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "The fact that most Americans no longer agree with him on important issues makes his task harder."
 
Hey Zona......................

you're..................


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Wrong. When Clinton left, the US had a SURPLUS.
Bullshit....The mythical "surplus" was projected to occur in 2002.

Perot called this and demonstrated it was all pretty much on autopilot back in '92, and all the partisan hacks-in-the-boxes in both parties keep pretending that they're the ones who were driving the inevitable.
BALONEY!

12/31/1999 $5,776,091,314,225.33
12/29/2000 $5,662,216,013,697.37

The total debt of the US Govt decreased by $114 billion during 2000, Clinton's last year in office.

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)
Date Debt Held by the Public Intragovernmental Holdings Total Public Debt

12/31/1999 Not Available Not Available 5,776,091,314,225.33
01/03/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,751,743,092,605.50
01/04/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,758,316,426,486.15
01/05/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,758,914,216,192.02
01/06/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,758,771,904,732.40
01/07/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,754,332,677,298.67
01/10/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,755,362,337,349.58
01/11/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,759,580,265,748.75
01/12/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,759,460,143,654.90
01/13/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,719,457,826,074.43
01/14/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,719,849,572,269.03
01/18/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,720,294,602,320.21
01/19/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,727,150,582,479.46
01/20/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,706,174,969,873.86
01/21/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,711,817,746,476.20
01/24/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,717,202,915,584.34
01/25/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,713,302,084,517.53
01/26/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,711,730,807,880.49
01/27/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,721,021,925,594.31
01/28/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,719,617,669,335.03
01/31/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,711,285,168,951.46
02/01/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,702,651,446,667.03
02/02/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,702,134,559,981.88
02/03/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,690,372,687,653.89
02/04/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,691,096,297,325.05
02/07/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,693,618,340,748.18
02/08/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,694,611,209,189.87
02/09/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,690,617,208,881.34
02/10/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,692,476,887,663.77
02/11/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,692,488,848,706.09
02/14/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,693,874,593,019.53
02/15/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,705,355,135,074.08
02/16/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,704,636,239,474.18
02/17/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,708,609,026,361.46
02/18/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,739,814,030,329.64
02/23/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,744,135,736,409.24
02/24/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,745,442,288,460.59
02/25/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,748,251,779,017.69
02/28/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,747,333,809,275.61
02/29/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,735,333,348,132.58
03/01/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,725,649,856,797.45
03/02/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,732,418,769,036.22
03/03/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,742,858,530,572.10
03/06/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,745,099,557,759.64
03/07/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,747,932,431,376.73
03/08/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,745,125,070,490.06
03/09/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,744,560,824,206.30
03/10/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,745,712,662,449.10
03/13/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,745,831,852,208.71
03/14/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,748,566,517,856.04
03/15/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,747,793,381,625.76
03/16/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,724,694,663,639.63
03/17/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,728,671,330,064.36
03/20/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,728,253,942,273.38
03/21/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,728,846,067,846.82
03/22/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,727,734,275,348.06
03/23/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,729,458,665,582.66
03/24/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,730,876,091,058.27
03/27/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,731,795,924,886.02
03/28/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,733,741,907,422.83
03/29/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,733,451,648,545.39
03/30/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,788,541,874,357.52
03/31/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,773,391,634,682.91
04/03/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,750,620,100,381.36
04/04/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,758,854,640,223.41
04/05/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,758,940,935,120.58
04/06/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,762,301,865,002.06
04/07/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,758,223,953,710.54
04/10/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,761,021,041,671.35
04/11/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,763,650,722,859.87
04/12/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,764,655,944,486.86
04/13/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,767,039,169,480.67
04/14/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,767,671,832,142.44
04/17/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,757,083,549,106.21
04/18/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,737,569,465,214.72
04/19/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,736,807,961,736.07
04/20/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,707,061,035,803.79
04/21/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,709,710,106,820.64
04/24/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,711,905,996,688.11
04/25/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,714,809,510,973.78
04/26/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,718,483,607,979.32
04/27/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,680,311,128,122.62
04/28/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,685,108,228,594.76
05/01/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,660,725,641,994.27
05/02/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,669,550,992,339.00
05/03/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,658,066,936,728.56
05/04/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,661,532,699,593.02
05/05/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,662,392,522,569.88
05/08/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,662,693,356,964.51
05/09/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,662,962,880,861.72
05/10/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,664,193,479,449.87
05/11/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,666,074,628,759.68
05/12/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,667,021,443,140.97
05/15/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,665,244,853,842.93
05/16/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,669,366,486,429.39
05/17/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,671,580,132,464.01
05/18/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,672,936,400,453.12
05/19/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,673,912,681,580.44
05/22/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,673,857,621,024.05
05/23/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,676,154,056,469.67
05/24/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,676,761,996,112.82
05/25/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,666,871,102,048.34
05/26/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,667,116,101,269.73
05/30/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,663,460,034,184.96
05/31/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,647,169,888,532.25
06/01/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,646,486,626,691.13
06/02/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,640,080,609,534.56
06/05/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,642,401,863,301.59
06/06/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,647,513,754,741.07
06/07/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,645,678,929,300.91
06/08/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,644,928,857,090.87
06/09/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,645,113,216,631.00
06/12/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,648,173,825,800.99
06/13/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,651,368,584,663.04
06/14/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,643,728,718,133.89
06/15/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,644,606,868,488.81
06/16/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,648,305,252,669.45
06/19/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,649,976,295,575.09
06/20/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,653,559,850,881.99
06/21/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,653,964,505,301.84
06/22/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,646,010,797,231.14
06/23/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,646,605,711,994.02
06/26/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,647,618,721,190.63
06/27/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,650,719,953,982.79
06/28/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,649,147,080,050.00
06/29/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,645,427,846,938.37
06/30/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,685,938,087,296.66
07/03/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,656,715,920,235.71
07/05/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,663,895,163,292.22
07/06/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,665,885,115,450.41
07/07/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,664,950,120,488.65
07/10/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,662,949,608,628.38
07/11/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,665,065,032,353.04
07/12/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,664,141,886,637.91
07/13/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,666,740,403,750.26
07/14/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,666,749,557,909.16
07/17/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,671,572,598,778.11
07/18/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,680,376,489,658.94
07/19/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,678,196,782,955.74
07/20/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,665,502,891,368.60
07/21/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,667,708,257,883.47
07/24/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,668,098,197,951.86
07/25/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,670,717,940,248.21
07/26/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,669,530,258,286.44
07/27/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,673,849,483,128.50
07/28/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,671,430,125,200.86
07/31/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,658,807,449,906.68
08/01/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,652,485,270,404.28
08/02/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,656,022,578,326.22
08/03/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,640,950,837,276.55
08/04/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,641,562,301,191.80
08/07/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,643,344,135,035.46
08/08/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,644,680,330,202.24
08/09/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,641,361,915,329.55
08/10/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,647,243,550,426.66
08/11/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,648,286,329,505.12
08/14/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,648,846,027,637.05
08/15/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,679,371,484,367.22
08/16/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,677,493,670,632.09
08/17/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,670,246,155,338.79
08/18/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,670,329,490,959.40
08/21/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,670,375,401,050.23
08/22/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,673,442,837,103.28
08/23/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,672,452,556,960.42
08/24/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,677,681,740,802.04
08/25/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,677,647,064,339.47
08/28/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,677,115,998,144.41
08/29/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,679,723,029,209.03
08/30/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,676,995,228,067.60
08/31/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,677,822,307,077.83
09/01/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,676,516,679,692.56
09/05/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,678,475,470,839.16
09/06/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,681,881,776,256.37
09/07/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,680,707,239,455.93
09/08/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,680,083,623,060.12
09/11/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,680,975,300,511.24
09/12/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,684,118,446,519.63
09/13/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,685,088,778,465.03
09/14/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,675,575,620,669.30
09/15/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,649,458,049,076.86
09/18/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,651,871,016,617.17
09/19/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,658,234,946,688.07
09/20/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,660,515,052,511.42
09/21/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,644,927,300,946.80
09/22/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,646,596,948,282.03
09/25/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,646,252,666,475.97
09/26/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,648,781,388,359.77
09/27/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,650,215,693,123.45
09/28/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,647,797,489,451.39
09/29/2000 3,405,303,490,221.20 2,268,874,719,665.66 5,674,178,209,886.86
10/02/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,661,548,045,674.53
10/03/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,653,358,623,363.58
10/04/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,653,380,479,214.62
10/05/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,662,225,814,331.71
10/06/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,660,786,987,693.59
10/10/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,658,397,995,719.35
10/11/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,660,113,029,266.52
10/12/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,652,782,594,061.86
10/13/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,654,691,872,296.28
10/16/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,660,152,346,828.33
10/17/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,664,975,939,816.81
10/18/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,664,293,307,225.32
10/19/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,670,716,361,031.21
10/20/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,671,113,923,599.68
10/23/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,670,684,446,983.21
10/24/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,674,018,471,636.91
10/25/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,672,690,012,239.29
10/26/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,677,614,391,875.30
10/27/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,678,667,034,082.46
10/30/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,675,479,560,020.27
10/31/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,657,327,531,667.14
11/01/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,680,961,418,882.13
11/02/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,691,725,335,190.51
11/03/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,676,558,033,203.23
11/06/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,678,648,844,656.97
11/07/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,681,279,424,524.84
11/08/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,679,555,849,883.62
11/10/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,672,552,063,911.28
11/13/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,672,143,362,653.09
11/14/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,675,947,901,835.78
11/15/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,690,309,860,010.61
11/16/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,697,018,859,217.42
11/17/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,699,605,608,462.98
11/20/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,699,552,938,717.19
11/21/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,702,078,800,235.91
11/22/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,701,163,257,576.67
11/24/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,707,111,759,932.43
11/27/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,709,192,249,328.43
11/28/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,711,686,606,331.30
11/29/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,709,271,037,447.22
11/30/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,709,699,281,427.00
12/01/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,719,966,855,820.30
12/04/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,723,013,386,410.80
12/05/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,725,766,524,240.10
12/06/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,725,118,617,894.72
12/07/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,717,605,135,485.67
12/08/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,717,976,505,434.98
12/11/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,717,704,373,699.51
12/12/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,720,302,790,724.90
12/13/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,720,701,862,393.67
12/14/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,726,713,628,599.18
12/15/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,689,047,905,641.57
12/18/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,677,827,711,900.99
12/19/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,683,378,289,685.26
12/20/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,681,426,863,675.59
12/21/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,657,586,457,060.46
12/22/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,657,372,924,635.71
12/26/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,661,579,846,114.32
12/27/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,663,706,592,936.09
12/28/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,665,928,609,714.47
12/29/2000 Not Available Not Available 5,662,216,013,697.37

If you were smarter than a frisbee I would explain why this happened.....but I think you know that the reduction in the debt was all smoke, mirrors and fuzzy math.
 
bullshit....the mythical "surplus" was projected to occur in 2002.

Perot called this and demonstrated it was all pretty much on autopilot back in '92, and all the partisan hacks-in-the-boxes in both parties keep pretending that they're the ones who were driving the inevitable.
baloney!

12/31/1999 $5,776,091,314,225.33
12/29/2000 $5,662,216,013,697.37

the total debt of the us govt decreased by $114 billion during 2000, clinton's last year in office.

debt to the penny (daily history search application)
date debt held by the public intragovernmental holdings total public debt

12/31/1999 not available not available 5,776,091,314,225.33
01/03/2000 not available not available 5,751,743,092,605.50
01/04/2000 not available not available 5,758,316,426,486.15
01/05/2000 not available not available 5,758,914,216,192.02
01/06/2000 not available not available 5,758,771,904,732.40
01/07/2000 not available not available 5,754,332,677,298.67
01/10/2000 not available not available 5,755,362,337,349.58
01/11/2000 not available not available 5,759,580,265,748.75
01/12/2000 not available not available 5,759,460,143,654.90
01/13/2000 not available not available 5,719,457,826,074.43
01/14/2000 not available not available 5,719,849,572,269.03
01/18/2000 not available not available 5,720,294,602,320.21
01/19/2000 not available not available 5,727,150,582,479.46
01/20/2000 not available not available 5,706,174,969,873.86
01/21/2000 not available not available 5,711,817,746,476.20
01/24/2000 not available not available 5,717,202,915,584.34
01/25/2000 not available not available 5,713,302,084,517.53
01/26/2000 not available not available 5,711,730,807,880.49
01/27/2000 not available not available 5,721,021,925,594.31
01/28/2000 not available not available 5,719,617,669,335.03
01/31/2000 not available not available 5,711,285,168,951.46
02/01/2000 not available not available 5,702,651,446,667.03
02/02/2000 not available not available 5,702,134,559,981.88
02/03/2000 not available not available 5,690,372,687,653.89
02/04/2000 not available not available 5,691,096,297,325.05
02/07/2000 not available not available 5,693,618,340,748.18
02/08/2000 not available not available 5,694,611,209,189.87
02/09/2000 not available not available 5,690,617,208,881.34
02/10/2000 not available not available 5,692,476,887,663.77
02/11/2000 not available not available 5,692,488,848,706.09
02/14/2000 not available not available 5,693,874,593,019.53
02/15/2000 not available not available 5,705,355,135,074.08
02/16/2000 not available not available 5,704,636,239,474.18
02/17/2000 not available not available 5,708,609,026,361.46
02/18/2000 not available not available 5,739,814,030,329.64
02/23/2000 not available not available 5,744,135,736,409.24
02/24/2000 not available not available 5,745,442,288,460.59
02/25/2000 not available not available 5,748,251,779,017.69
02/28/2000 not available not available 5,747,333,809,275.61
02/29/2000 not available not available 5,735,333,348,132.58
03/01/2000 not available not available 5,725,649,856,797.45
03/02/2000 not available not available 5,732,418,769,036.22
03/03/2000 not available not available 5,742,858,530,572.10
03/06/2000 not available not available 5,745,099,557,759.64
03/07/2000 not available not available 5,747,932,431,376.73
03/08/2000 not available not available 5,745,125,070,490.06
03/09/2000 not available not available 5,744,560,824,206.30
03/10/2000 not available not available 5,745,712,662,449.10
03/13/2000 not available not available 5,745,831,852,208.71
03/14/2000 not available not available 5,748,566,517,856.04
03/15/2000 not available not available 5,747,793,381,625.76
03/16/2000 not available not available 5,724,694,663,639.63
03/17/2000 not available not available 5,728,671,330,064.36
03/20/2000 not available not available 5,728,253,942,273.38
03/21/2000 not available not available 5,728,846,067,846.82
03/22/2000 not available not available 5,727,734,275,348.06
03/23/2000 not available not available 5,729,458,665,582.66
03/24/2000 not available not available 5,730,876,091,058.27
03/27/2000 not available not available 5,731,795,924,886.02
03/28/2000 not available not available 5,733,741,907,422.83
03/29/2000 not available not available 5,733,451,648,545.39
03/30/2000 not available not available 5,788,541,874,357.52
03/31/2000 not available not available 5,773,391,634,682.91
04/03/2000 not available not available 5,750,620,100,381.36
04/04/2000 not available not available 5,758,854,640,223.41
04/05/2000 not available not available 5,758,940,935,120.58
04/06/2000 not available not available 5,762,301,865,002.06
04/07/2000 not available not available 5,758,223,953,710.54
04/10/2000 not available not available 5,761,021,041,671.35
04/11/2000 not available not available 5,763,650,722,859.87
04/12/2000 not available not available 5,764,655,944,486.86
04/13/2000 not available not available 5,767,039,169,480.67
04/14/2000 not available not available 5,767,671,832,142.44
04/17/2000 not available not available 5,757,083,549,106.21
04/18/2000 not available not available 5,737,569,465,214.72
04/19/2000 not available not available 5,736,807,961,736.07
04/20/2000 not available not available 5,707,061,035,803.79
04/21/2000 not available not available 5,709,710,106,820.64
04/24/2000 not available not available 5,711,905,996,688.11
04/25/2000 not available not available 5,714,809,510,973.78
04/26/2000 not available not available 5,718,483,607,979.32
04/27/2000 not available not available 5,680,311,128,122.62
04/28/2000 not available not available 5,685,108,228,594.76
05/01/2000 not available not available 5,660,725,641,994.27
05/02/2000 not available not available 5,669,550,992,339.00
05/03/2000 not available not available 5,658,066,936,728.56
05/04/2000 not available not available 5,661,532,699,593.02
05/05/2000 not available not available 5,662,392,522,569.88
05/08/2000 not available not available 5,662,693,356,964.51
05/09/2000 not available not available 5,662,962,880,861.72
05/10/2000 not available not available 5,664,193,479,449.87
05/11/2000 not available not available 5,666,074,628,759.68
05/12/2000 not available not available 5,667,021,443,140.97
05/15/2000 not available not available 5,665,244,853,842.93
05/16/2000 not available not available 5,669,366,486,429.39
05/17/2000 not available not available 5,671,580,132,464.01
05/18/2000 not available not available 5,672,936,400,453.12
05/19/2000 not available not available 5,673,912,681,580.44
05/22/2000 not available not available 5,673,857,621,024.05
05/23/2000 not available not available 5,676,154,056,469.67
05/24/2000 not available not available 5,676,761,996,112.82
05/25/2000 not available not available 5,666,871,102,048.34
05/26/2000 not available not available 5,667,116,101,269.73
05/30/2000 not available not available 5,663,460,034,184.96
05/31/2000 not available not available 5,647,169,888,532.25
06/01/2000 not available not available 5,646,486,626,691.13
06/02/2000 not available not available 5,640,080,609,534.56
06/05/2000 not available not available 5,642,401,863,301.59
06/06/2000 not available not available 5,647,513,754,741.07
06/07/2000 not available not available 5,645,678,929,300.91
06/08/2000 not available not available 5,644,928,857,090.87
06/09/2000 not available not available 5,645,113,216,631.00
06/12/2000 not available not available 5,648,173,825,800.99
06/13/2000 not available not available 5,651,368,584,663.04
06/14/2000 not available not available 5,643,728,718,133.89
06/15/2000 not available not available 5,644,606,868,488.81
06/16/2000 not available not available 5,648,305,252,669.45
06/19/2000 not available not available 5,649,976,295,575.09
06/20/2000 not available not available 5,653,559,850,881.99
06/21/2000 not available not available 5,653,964,505,301.84
06/22/2000 not available not available 5,646,010,797,231.14
06/23/2000 not available not available 5,646,605,711,994.02
06/26/2000 not available not available 5,647,618,721,190.63
06/27/2000 not available not available 5,650,719,953,982.79
06/28/2000 not available not available 5,649,147,080,050.00
06/29/2000 not available not available 5,645,427,846,938.37
06/30/2000 not available not available 5,685,938,087,296.66
07/03/2000 not available not available 5,656,715,920,235.71
07/05/2000 not available not available 5,663,895,163,292.22
07/06/2000 not available not available 5,665,885,115,450.41
07/07/2000 not available not available 5,664,950,120,488.65
07/10/2000 not available not available 5,662,949,608,628.38
07/11/2000 not available not available 5,665,065,032,353.04
07/12/2000 not available not available 5,664,141,886,637.91
07/13/2000 not available not available 5,666,740,403,750.26
07/14/2000 not available not available 5,666,749,557,909.16
07/17/2000 not available not available 5,671,572,598,778.11
07/18/2000 not available not available 5,680,376,489,658.94
07/19/2000 not available not available 5,678,196,782,955.74
07/20/2000 not available not available 5,665,502,891,368.60
07/21/2000 not available not available 5,667,708,257,883.47
07/24/2000 not available not available 5,668,098,197,951.86
07/25/2000 not available not available 5,670,717,940,248.21
07/26/2000 not available not available 5,669,530,258,286.44
07/27/2000 not available not available 5,673,849,483,128.50
07/28/2000 not available not available 5,671,430,125,200.86
07/31/2000 not available not available 5,658,807,449,906.68
08/01/2000 not available not available 5,652,485,270,404.28
08/02/2000 not available not available 5,656,022,578,326.22
08/03/2000 not available not available 5,640,950,837,276.55
08/04/2000 not available not available 5,641,562,301,191.80
08/07/2000 not available not available 5,643,344,135,035.46
08/08/2000 not available not available 5,644,680,330,202.24
08/09/2000 not available not available 5,641,361,915,329.55
08/10/2000 not available not available 5,647,243,550,426.66
08/11/2000 not available not available 5,648,286,329,505.12
08/14/2000 not available not available 5,648,846,027,637.05
08/15/2000 not available not available 5,679,371,484,367.22
08/16/2000 not available not available 5,677,493,670,632.09
08/17/2000 not available not available 5,670,246,155,338.79
08/18/2000 not available not available 5,670,329,490,959.40
08/21/2000 not available not available 5,670,375,401,050.23
08/22/2000 not available not available 5,673,442,837,103.28
08/23/2000 not available not available 5,672,452,556,960.42
08/24/2000 not available not available 5,677,681,740,802.04
08/25/2000 not available not available 5,677,647,064,339.47
08/28/2000 not available not available 5,677,115,998,144.41
08/29/2000 not available not available 5,679,723,029,209.03
08/30/2000 not available not available 5,676,995,228,067.60
08/31/2000 not available not available 5,677,822,307,077.83
09/01/2000 not available not available 5,676,516,679,692.56
09/05/2000 not available not available 5,678,475,470,839.16
09/06/2000 not available not available 5,681,881,776,256.37
09/07/2000 not available not available 5,680,707,239,455.93
09/08/2000 not available not available 5,680,083,623,060.12
09/11/2000 not available not available 5,680,975,300,511.24
09/12/2000 not available not available 5,684,118,446,519.63
09/13/2000 not available not available 5,685,088,778,465.03
09/14/2000 not available not available 5,675,575,620,669.30
09/15/2000 not available not available 5,649,458,049,076.86
09/18/2000 not available not available 5,651,871,016,617.17
09/19/2000 not available not available 5,658,234,946,688.07
09/20/2000 not available not available 5,660,515,052,511.42
09/21/2000 not available not available 5,644,927,300,946.80
09/22/2000 not available not available 5,646,596,948,282.03
09/25/2000 not available not available 5,646,252,666,475.97
09/26/2000 not available not available 5,648,781,388,359.77
09/27/2000 not available not available 5,650,215,693,123.45
09/28/2000 not available not available 5,647,797,489,451.39
09/29/2000 3,405,303,490,221.20 2,268,874,719,665.66 5,674,178,209,886.86
10/02/2000 not available not available 5,661,548,045,674.53
10/03/2000 not available not available 5,653,358,623,363.58
10/04/2000 not available not available 5,653,380,479,214.62
10/05/2000 not available not available 5,662,225,814,331.71
10/06/2000 not available not available 5,660,786,987,693.59
10/10/2000 not available not available 5,658,397,995,719.35
10/11/2000 not available not available 5,660,113,029,266.52
10/12/2000 not available not available 5,652,782,594,061.86
10/13/2000 not available not available 5,654,691,872,296.28
10/16/2000 not available not available 5,660,152,346,828.33
10/17/2000 not available not available 5,664,975,939,816.81
10/18/2000 not available not available 5,664,293,307,225.32
10/19/2000 not available not available 5,670,716,361,031.21
10/20/2000 not available not available 5,671,113,923,599.68
10/23/2000 not available not available 5,670,684,446,983.21
10/24/2000 not available not available 5,674,018,471,636.91
10/25/2000 not available not available 5,672,690,012,239.29
10/26/2000 not available not available 5,677,614,391,875.30
10/27/2000 not available not available 5,678,667,034,082.46
10/30/2000 not available not available 5,675,479,560,020.27
10/31/2000 not available not available 5,657,327,531,667.14
11/01/2000 not available not available 5,680,961,418,882.13
11/02/2000 not available not available 5,691,725,335,190.51
11/03/2000 not available not available 5,676,558,033,203.23
11/06/2000 not available not available 5,678,648,844,656.97
11/07/2000 not available not available 5,681,279,424,524.84
11/08/2000 not available not available 5,679,555,849,883.62
11/10/2000 not available not available 5,672,552,063,911.28
11/13/2000 not available not available 5,672,143,362,653.09
11/14/2000 not available not available 5,675,947,901,835.78
11/15/2000 not available not available 5,690,309,860,010.61
11/16/2000 not available not available 5,697,018,859,217.42
11/17/2000 not available not available 5,699,605,608,462.98
11/20/2000 not available not available 5,699,552,938,717.19
11/21/2000 not available not available 5,702,078,800,235.91
11/22/2000 not available not available 5,701,163,257,576.67
11/24/2000 not available not available 5,707,111,759,932.43
11/27/2000 not available not available 5,709,192,249,328.43
11/28/2000 not available not available 5,711,686,606,331.30
11/29/2000 not available not available 5,709,271,037,447.22
11/30/2000 not available not available 5,709,699,281,427.00
12/01/2000 not available not available 5,719,966,855,820.30
12/04/2000 not available not available 5,723,013,386,410.80
12/05/2000 not available not available 5,725,766,524,240.10
12/06/2000 not available not available 5,725,118,617,894.72
12/07/2000 not available not available 5,717,605,135,485.67
12/08/2000 not available not available 5,717,976,505,434.98
12/11/2000 not available not available 5,717,704,373,699.51
12/12/2000 not available not available 5,720,302,790,724.90
12/13/2000 not available not available 5,720,701,862,393.67
12/14/2000 not available not available 5,726,713,628,599.18
12/15/2000 not available not available 5,689,047,905,641.57
12/18/2000 not available not available 5,677,827,711,900.99
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12/20/2000 not available not available 5,681,426,863,675.59
12/21/2000 not available not available 5,657,586,457,060.46
12/22/2000 not available not available 5,657,372,924,635.71
12/26/2000 not available not available 5,661,579,846,114.32
12/27/2000 not available not available 5,663,706,592,936.09
12/28/2000 not available not available 5,665,928,609,714.47
12/29/2000 not available not available 5,662,216,013,697.37

if you were smarter than a frisbee i would explain why this happened.....but i think you know that the reduction in the debt was all smoke, mirrors and fuzzy math.
baloney!
 
baloney!

12/31/1999 $5,776,091,314,225.33
12/29/2000 $5,662,216,013,697.37

the total debt of the us govt decreased by $114 billion during 2000, clinton's last year in office.

debt to the penny (daily history search application)
date debt held by the public intragovernmental holdings total public debt

12/31/1999 not available not available 5,776,091,314,225.33

if you were smarter than a frisbee i would explain why this happened.....but i think you know that the reduction in the debt was all smoke, mirrors and fuzzy math.
baloney!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Here's what edthecynic left out....
Clinton was actually in office until January 20th 2001 and look at the numbers now.

01/19/2001 5,727,776,738,304.64

Plus he's also not telling you that Clinton instructed the Treasury to stop issuing new bonds and securities. As older bonds matured and were paid off the budget surplus went up because debt interest payments went down. Since bonds and treasuries are what's known as public debt this number went down as well....but we see it rising as Clinton left office with the economy tanking.

Now if ed was a bit more honest we would see Clinton's ACTUAL debt reduction was 50 billion.

Edthecynic is attempting to BULLSHIT everyone here with lies and distortions...I have proved it.


Have a lovely day.
 
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Wrong. When Clinton left, the US had a SURPLUS.
Bullshit....The mythical "surplus" was projected to occur in 2002.

Perot called this and demonstrated it was all pretty much on autopilot back in '92, and all the partisan hacks-in-the-boxes in both parties keep pretending that they're the ones who were driving the inevitable.


Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Here's what edthecynic left out....
Clinton was actually in office until January 20th 2001 and look at the numbers now.

01/19/2001 5,727,776,738,304.64

Plus he's also not telling you that Clinton instructed the Treasury to stop issuing new bonds and securities. As older bonds matured and were paid off the budget surplus went up because debt interest payments went down. Since bonds and treasuries are what's known as public debt this number went down as well....but we see it rising as Clinton left office with the economy tanking.

Now if ed was a bit more honest we would see Clinton's ACTUAL debt reduction was 50 billion.

Edthecynic is attempting to BULLSHIT everyone here with lies and distortions...I have proved it.

Have a lovely day.
OK, even counting 2001 as part of 2000, a debt reduction of $50 billion is STILL a SURPLUS of $50 billion, so Dupe is STILL full of it.
 
The only reason the debt went down ed was because Clinton's Treasury Dept. didn't issue bonds and treasury notes in late 1999 and into 2000. It certainly wasn't due to anything that boob did with economic policy. It was a Y2K issue and Clinton rightly took the cautious approach...and as a benefit that wasn't initially thought of...he ended up creating a budget surplus due to maturing bonds and lower interest payments on the National Debt. Then President Bush rightly gave that money back to the people. After all..it was OUR FUCKING MONEY to begin with.
 
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OK, even counting 2001 as part of 2000, a debt reduction of $50 billion is STILL a SURPLUS of $50 billion, so Dupe is STILL full of it.

OK...then why won't the Democrats do something about tort reform and malpractice insurance? That'll save us 50 billion dollars too. Why don't the Democrats want to save money? Is it because they would end up screwing their lawyer lobbyist puppetmasters?
 
Biker it's straight from the Gallup Poll you do know Gallup isn't a Republican outfit don't you? All they did was print what Gallup said.

Post it from a legit site then, because if it's from a Gallup poll, then you should be able to find it on the AP.

Unless of course......the data has been doctored.........

But........lookie what I found........

Gallup Poll: Republicans Lose In All Demographic Groups Except Conservatives, Churchgoers And Seniors
Posted by JOE GANDELMAN, Editor-In-Chief in At TMV, Politics.
May 19th, 2009 | Comments

A new Gallup poll provides evidence that the Republican party has now been seriously downsized in support from 2001 to 2009 — steadily losing ground in a host of groups across the boards, particularly among college graduates and moderates.

The groups that have held largely firm have been conservatives, churchgoers and seniors — groups already considered part of the party’s base — indicating more than ever that the GOP is evolving into a group playing to itself and its base but not making the adequate inroads required to build a new politically dominant coalition or successfully win over the bulk of younger voters.

Gallup’s conclusions, its graphs and a chart more than ever underscore the seriousness of the GOP’s now raging debate over who is a “real” Republican because it provides evidence that trying to convince existing members of the Republican coalition will not be enough. Gallup doesn’t find any major new erosion of the GOP right now under President Barack Obama, but it doesn’t find any growth at a time when identification with the Republican party has plummeted.

The decline in Republican Party affiliation among Americans in recent years is well documented, but a Gallup analysis now shows that this movement away from the GOP has occurred among nearly every major demographic subgroup. Since the first year of George W. Bush’s presidency in 2001, the Republican Party has maintained its support only among frequent churchgoers, with conservatives and senior citizens showing minimal decline.

So far in 2009, aggregated Gallup Poll data show the divide on leaned party identification is 53% Democratic and 39% Republican — a marked change from 2001, when the parties were evenly matched, according to an average of all of that year’s Gallup Polls. That represents a loss of five points for the Republicans and a gain of eight points for the Democrats.

How extensive is this shift?

The parties were also evenly matched on basic party identification in 2001 (which does not take into account the partisan leanings of independents), with 32% identifying themselves as Republicans, 33% as Democrats, and 34% as independents. The 2009 data show the GOP losing five points since then, with identification increasing three points among both Democrats and independents.

This has major implications for Republicans in the short and long term. The Washington Post’s Chris Cillizza writes:

Put simply: Toss-up demographic groups eight years ago have moved en masse in Democrats’ favor, leaving the GOP with only its base still on its side.

This Gallup analysis makes clear the significant brand damage the last eight years of the Bush Administration have inflicted on the party and seems to suggest that the problems are so widespread that no one candidate or even one election will solve them.

While former president George W. Bush is not on the ballot in 2010 (or even 2012), the party must find a way to re-define itself away from the past eight years if they want to recruit swing demographic groups back to their side.

The task facing Republicans who want to win elections, versus run candidates who make political ideological statements, becomes even more formidable when some aspects of this are looked at a bit closer.

Gallup Poll: Republicans Lose In All Demographic Groups Except Conservatives, Churchgoers And Seniors | The Moderate Voice

So, just because you can post something from a right wing site that doctors the data, I can still pull up stuff that is CORRECT.

Try again.
You realized you're arguing that garyd took an alleged Gallup Poll from a right-wing site, and you're countering by taking an alleged Gallup Poll from a site with a centrist bias that they openly advertise?

That said, two things:

1) Party identification doesn't necessarily determine where their votes will go. Typically you'll get a few registered Democrats who vote straight Republican, especially in the South.

2) Gallup's poll on the Republican base kinda shows me they were alienating everyone by appealing to the whole anti-abortion/gay marriage crowd. Especially now most people have more relevant things on their mind.
 
The only reason the debt went down ed was because Clinton's Treasury Dept. didn't issue bonds and treasury notes in late 1999 and into 2000. It certainly wasn't due to anything that boob did with economic policy. It was a Y2K issue and Clinton rightly took the cautious approach...and as a benefit that wasn't initially thought of...he ended up creating a budget surplus due to maturing bonds and lower interest payments on the National Debt. Then President Bush rightly gave that money back to the people. After all..it was OUR FUCKING MONEY to begin with.
That's just your worthless opinion. A surplus is still a surplus.

As far as Bush giving money back to the people, it wasn't the people who produced the surplus. The tax surplus came from SS/FICA payroll taxes collected from wage earners making less than $100,000 and businesses who employ Americans. Bush gave the bulk of that surplus to incomes OVER $100,000 and capital gains tycoons who don't even contribute to the payroll tax surplus. Bush did this by using income tax rates to REDISTRIBUTE taxes collected at payroll tax rates. By simply saying his tax cuts were "across the board" Bush was able to deceive the gullible into believing it was fair to use the Income Tax rates to redistribute money collected at Payroll Tax rates.

So Tycoons who increased profits by outsourcing American jobs for cheeper foreign labor, got a tax deduction on that profit at the expense of American jobs. Not only that, but to further offset this redistribution of wealth, Bush and the GOP congress raised the threshold on paying SS payroll taxes, making the cost of employing American wage earners even higher to those businesses that employ Americans.

That kind of job killing redistribution of wealth from low to high CON$ love. :cuckoo:

What I would do to stimulate the economy and create AMERICAN jobs is to REPLACE each of Bush's stupid American job killing tax cuts when they expire or sooner, DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR, with a cut in the job killing payroll taxes.
This would give the American wage earner an immediate increase in take home pay to spend on a regular basis without costing the employer a single penny and stimulating demand, and the businesses that employ Americans would have an immediate cut in the cost of labor without downsizing or outsourcing a single American job as well as saving them the expense of compliance. The businesses that employ the most AMERICANS will get the most benefit from the tax cuts, exactly the group you would want to benefit most from tax cuts!!!

The Lib Dems want to let Bush's cuts expire and GOP CON$ want to make them permanent.
Cynics are better problem solvers than Dem or GOP, Lib or Con.

What do you think?
 
That's just your worthless opinion. A surplus is still a surplus.

As far as Bush giving money back to the people, it wasn't the people who produced the surplus. The tax surplus came from SS/FICA payroll taxes collected from wage earners making less than $100,000 and businesses who employ Americans.

You see ed...you fucking consumate dumbass.....once again your libtard mouth engaged before your 30 second MoveOn.org sound bite brain considered the veracity of your baseless claims.

Anyone with a 5th grade education knows that CONGRESS BORROWS the entire SS surplus and places it in the general fund and then issues an IOU to the SSA....this part of the national debt is called "Intra-governmental holdings". When Bush gave money back to Americans in 2001 he gave a specific amount to single people and a specific amount to married couples with children.

YOU LIED AGAIN!!!!!!!!

You were busted again!!!

When will you learn.
 
That's just your worthless opinion. A surplus is still a surplus.

As far as Bush giving money back to the people, it wasn't the people who produced the surplus. The tax surplus came from SS/FICA payroll taxes collected from wage earners making less than $100,000 and businesses who employ Americans.

You see ed...you fucking consumate dumbass.....once again your libtard mouth engaged before your 30 second MoveOn.org sound bite brain considered the veracity of your baseless claims.

Anyone with a 5th grade education knows that CONGRESS BORROWS the entire SS surplus and places it in the general fund and then issues an IOU to the SSA....this part of the national debt is called "Intra-governmental holdings". When Bush gave money back to Americans in 2001 he gave a specific amount to single people and a specific amount to married couples with children.

YOU LIED AGAIN!!!!!!!!

You were busted again!!!

When will you learn.
You're PROJECTING again!

Bush borrowed from the SS/FICA tax SURPLUS to PAY for his tax cuts. That is REDISTRIBUTION of wealth collected from wage earners under $100,000 and given mostly to incomes over $100,000 and Capital gains Tycoons who did not contribute one penny to the SS surplus. You're a LIBERAL Socialist redistributionist!!!! :lol:

IT'S NOT THEIR MONEY!!!

The SS surplus should have been returned only to those who paid into the surplus.

You are just toooooooo brainwashed by GOP Hate-Run media to admit the truth.

[L]iberals can't win in an argument against anybody. All they can do is discredit and insult and try to literally destroy their enemies because ideologically they can't win.
Rush Limbaugh
 

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Here's what edthecynic left out....
Clinton was actually in office until January 20th 2001 and look at the numbers now.

01/19/2001 5,727,776,738,304.64

Plus he's also not telling you that Clinton instructed the Treasury to stop issuing new bonds and securities. As older bonds matured and were paid off the budget surplus went up because debt interest payments went down. Since bonds and treasuries are what's known as public debt this number went down as well....but we see it rising as Clinton left office with the economy tanking.

Now if ed was a bit more honest we would see Clinton's ACTUAL debt reduction was 50 billion.

Edthecynic is attempting to BULLSHIT everyone here with lies and distortions...I have proved it.


Have a lovely day.

He has always tried to bullshit in here....

If anyone wants the REAL numbers...

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual
 
Post it from a legit site then, because if it's from a Gallup poll, then you should be able to find it on the AP.

Gallup polls aren't all that hard to find:
September 30, 2009
More Independents Lean GOP; Party Gap Smallest Since '05
Democratic advantage on leaned party ID is 48% to 42%
by Jeffrey M. Jones

PRINCETON, NJ -- In the third quarter of this year, 48% of Americans identified politically as Democrats or said they were independent but leaned to the Democratic Party. At the same time, 42% identified as Republicans or as independents who leaned Republican. That six-point spread in leaned party affiliation is the smallest Gallup has measured since 2005.

Party ID and Leaning, Quarterly Averages, 2005-2009

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These results are based on an average of five Gallup and USA Today/Gallup polls conducted in the third quarter of 2009, encompassing interviews with more than 5,000 U.S. adults. Gallup's Daily tracking survey -- established in 2008 -- has shown a similar narrowing of the party support gap in recent months.

(cont....)
More Independents Lean GOP; Party Gap Smallest Since '05
 
I have busted this surplus myth over and over and over and over and over and over and over again... try to understand total government spending, people... and when you understand it you can easily see that not one single year in the past 50+ has there been a surplus

And before we have yet another idiot come in here and try to use something other than the fiscal year... please remember that the fiscal year is the official tracking for government financial accounting
 
Anyway you cut it, the Grand Old Party is now just the "Old Party"

They have driven themselves away from the mainstream in order to apease the right wing conservative element. While this assures them a solid 25% of the vote, it also repels anyone with a moderate political position.

The republican "Big Tent" gets smaller and smaller each day as they drive out more and more members who don't comply with their strict doctrine
 
That's just your worthless opinion. A surplus is still a surplus.

As far as Bush giving money back to the people, it wasn't the people who produced the surplus. The tax surplus came from SS/FICA payroll taxes collected from wage earners making less than $100,000 and businesses who employ Americans.

You see ed...you fucking consumate dumbass.....once again your libtard mouth engaged before your 30 second MoveOn.org sound bite brain considered the veracity of your baseless claims.

Anyone with a 5th grade education knows that CONGRESS BORROWS the entire SS surplus and places it in the general fund and then issues an IOU to the SSA....this part of the national debt is called "Intra-governmental holdings". When Bush gave money back to Americans in 2001 he gave a specific amount to single people and a specific amount to married couples with children.

YOU LIED AGAIN!!!!!!!!

You were busted again!!!

When will you learn.
You're PROJECTING again!

Bush borrowed from the SS/FICA tax SURPLUS to PAY for his tax cuts. That is REDISTRIBUTION of wealth collected from wage earners under $100,000 and given mostly to incomes over $100,000 and Capital gains Tycoons who did not contribute one penny to the SS surplus. You're a LIBERAL Socialist redistributionist!!!! :lol:

IT'S NOT THEIR MONEY!!!

The SS surplus should have been returned only to those who paid into the surplus.

You are just toooooooo brainwashed by GOP Hate-Run media to admit the truth.

[L]iberals can't win in an argument against anybody. All they can do is discredit and insult and try to literally destroy their enemies because ideologically they can't win.
Rush Limbaugh

Obama did it to ... :eusa_whistle:
 

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