One more time... SIMPLE arithmetic people... PLEASE PLEASE prove these numbers are wrong!!!

3) 18 million under 34 don't NEED insurance counted as "uninsured"... but don't want it!
These 18 million can afford their employers' plans as they make over $50,000...but they don't want it!
These 18 million spend less then $1,000 per year on health services...again they don't want it!
Check it out see if I'm wrong! CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED 2009

I'm a glutton for punishment though, so i'll ask you this.

Show me someone who doesn't need insurance in our country and you'll have a point. Whether they want it or not is inconsequential. There are too many idiots (this thread being proof) that don't understand what they truly need.


needing insurance, needing medical treatment, and needing socialized medicine are three totally different things.

And your point is? Go ahead and make it, because we both know you don't have one.


my point. there was no healthcare crisis in the USA before ACA. NONE.

there are two good things in the ACA bill
1. insurance companies must take you with pre-existing conditions
2. there can be no lifetime maximum payments on a policy.

those two changes could have been made with a one page bill and it would have had unanimous support.

LMAO!!!!!! Holy fuck thanks for the laugh. No healthcare crisis he says.
 
3) 18 million under 34 don't NEED insurance counted as "uninsured"... but don't want it!
These 18 million can afford their employers' plans as they make over $50,000...but they don't want it!
These 18 million spend less then $1,000 per year on health services...again they don't want it!
Check it out see if I'm wrong! CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED 2009

I'm a glutton for punishment though, so i'll ask you this.

Show me someone who doesn't need insurance in our country and you'll have a point. Whether they want it or not is inconsequential. There are too many idiots (this thread being proof) that don't understand what they truly need.
Show me how many irresponsible sons of bitches that did not have insurance before have PURCHASED insurance.
 
3) 18 million under 34 don't NEED insurance counted as "uninsured"... but don't want it!
These 18 million can afford their employers' plans as they make over $50,000...but they don't want it!
These 18 million spend less then $1,000 per year on health services...again they don't want it!
Check it out see if I'm wrong! CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED 2009

I'm a glutton for punishment though, so i'll ask you this.

Show me someone who doesn't need insurance in our country and you'll have a point. Whether they want it or not is inconsequential. There are too many idiots (this thread being proof) that don't understand what they truly need.


needing insurance, needing medical treatment, and needing socialized medicine are three totally different things.

And your point is? Go ahead and make it, because we both know you don't have one.


my point. there was no healthcare crisis in the USA before ACA. NONE.

there are two good things in the ACA bill
1. insurance companies must take you with pre-existing conditions
2. there can be no lifetime maximum payments on a policy.

those two changes could have been made with a one page bill and it would have had unanimous support.

LMAO!!!!!! Holy fuck thanks for the laugh. No healthcare crisis he says.


The healthcare crisis is morbid obesity and obesity related disorders.

Insurance cannot fix that.
 
Let's do the math.

In most countries people get coverage if they are citizens of the country. In the USA this is not the case. Not difficult.

Does it matter if it's 45 million or 35 million? 35 million is 35 million too little with coverage.


No one in the USA was being denied medical care before ACA. NO ONE. There was no healthcare crisis that required destroying the best medical system in the world.

being uninsured does not equal being untreated. ever hear of medicaid and medicare? ever hear of St Judes, MD Anderson, Ochsner clinic, Cleveland clinic, Mayo clinic? all of them treat uninsured people.

you are full of batshit.

LOL!! This post is evidence about how truly clueless you are about the world you live in.


no, actually the fact that you don't understand the reality is evidence of how clueless you are about the real world.

Umm, thanks for just repeating what I said about you. How original.

You turnips are always good for a chuckle.
 
I'm a glutton for punishment though, so i'll ask you this.

Show me someone who doesn't need insurance in our country and you'll have a point. Whether they want it or not is inconsequential. There are too many idiots (this thread being proof) that don't understand what they truly need.


needing insurance, needing medical treatment, and needing socialized medicine are three totally different things.

And your point is? Go ahead and make it, because we both know you don't have one.


my point. there was no healthcare crisis in the USA before ACA. NONE.

there are two good things in the ACA bill
1. insurance companies must take you with pre-existing conditions
2. there can be no lifetime maximum payments on a policy.

those two changes could have been made with a one page bill and it would have had unanimous support.

LMAO!!!!!! Holy fuck thanks for the laugh. No healthcare crisis he says.


The healthcare crisis is morbid obesity and obesity related disorders.

Insurance cannot fix that.

I guess you're a big supporter of what Michelle Obama is trying to do then with her initiative to get kids eating right. Right?
 
3) 18 million under 34 don't NEED insurance counted as "uninsured"... but don't want it!
These 18 million can afford their employers' plans as they make over $50,000...but they don't want it!
These 18 million spend less then $1,000 per year on health services...again they don't want it!
Check it out see if I'm wrong! CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED 2009

I'm a glutton for punishment though, so i'll ask you this.

Show me someone who doesn't need insurance in our country and you'll have a point. Whether they want it or not is inconsequential. There are too many idiots (this thread being proof) that don't understand what they truly need.


needing insurance, needing medical treatment, and needing socialized medicine are three totally different things.

And your point is? Go ahead and make it, because we both know you don't have one.


my point. there was no healthcare crisis in the USA before ACA. NONE.

there are two good things in the ACA bill
1. insurance companies must take you with pre-existing conditions
2. there can be no lifetime maximum payments on a policy.

those two changes could have been made with a one page bill and it would have had unanimous support.

LMAO!!!!!! Holy fuck thanks for the laugh. No healthcare crisis he says.


there was none. Tell us who in the USA was being denied medical treatment before ACA.
 
3) 18 million under 34 don't NEED insurance counted as "uninsured"... but don't want it!
These 18 million can afford their employers' plans as they make over $50,000...but they don't want it!
These 18 million spend less then $1,000 per year on health services...again they don't want it!
Check it out see if I'm wrong! CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED 2009

I'm a glutton for punishment though, so i'll ask you this.

Show me someone who doesn't need insurance in our country and you'll have a point. Whether they want it or not is inconsequential. There are too many idiots (this thread being proof) that don't understand what they truly need.


needing insurance, needing medical treatment, and needing socialized medicine are three totally different things.

And your point is? Go ahead and make it, because we both know you don't have one.


my point. there was no healthcare crisis in the USA before ACA. NONE.

there are two good things in the ACA bill
1. insurance companies must take you with pre-existing conditions
2. there can be no lifetime maximum payments on a policy.

those two changes could have been made with a one page bill and it would have had unanimous support.


Both of those things make insurance something other than insurance.

Why should my rate go up after 30 years because some irresponsible son of a bitch got sick, and finally decided to buy insurance.

Why should a policy not have a lifetime limit, if one did not PAY for a policy without a lifetime limit?

I don't think people know what insurance really is.
 
Let's do the math.

In most countries people get coverage if they are citizens of the country. In the USA this is not the case. Not difficult.

Does it matter if it's 45 million or 35 million? 35 million is 35 million too little with coverage.


No one in the USA was being denied medical care before ACA. NO ONE. There was no healthcare crisis that required destroying the best medical system in the world.

being uninsured does not equal being untreated. ever hear of medicaid and medicare? ever hear of St Judes, MD Anderson, Ochsner clinic, Cleveland clinic, Mayo clinic? all of them treat uninsured people.

you are full of batshit.

LOL!! This post is evidence about how truly clueless you are about the world you live in.


no, actually the fact that you don't understand the reality is evidence of how clueless you are about the real world.

Umm, thanks for just repeating what I said about you. How original.

You turnips are always good for a chuckle.


a stupid post deserves one in reply. when you offer nothing but bullshit and talking points, you don't stimulate any real debate or discussion.
 
needing insurance, needing medical treatment, and needing socialized medicine are three totally different things.

And your point is? Go ahead and make it, because we both know you don't have one.


my point. there was no healthcare crisis in the USA before ACA. NONE.

there are two good things in the ACA bill
1. insurance companies must take you with pre-existing conditions
2. there can be no lifetime maximum payments on a policy.

those two changes could have been made with a one page bill and it would have had unanimous support.

LMAO!!!!!! Holy fuck thanks for the laugh. No healthcare crisis he says.


The healthcare crisis is morbid obesity and obesity related disorders.

Insurance cannot fix that.

I guess you're a big supporter of what Michelle Obama is trying to do then with her initiative to get kids eating right. Right?
Yes I am, and would go one step further.

If you are obese, and on government assistance for food and healthcare, you should be given a menu, educated in how to prepare healthy meals, and told to lose weight or lose benefits.

I am all for an authoritarian approach to the dependent class.
 
3) 18 million under 34 don't NEED insurance counted as "uninsured"... but don't want it!
These 18 million can afford their employers' plans as they make over $50,000...but they don't want it!
These 18 million spend less then $1,000 per year on health services...again they don't want it!
Check it out see if I'm wrong! CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED 2009

I'm a glutton for punishment though, so i'll ask you this.

Show me someone who doesn't need insurance in our country and you'll have a point. Whether they want it or not is inconsequential. There are too many idiots (this thread being proof) that don't understand what they truly need.


needing insurance, needing medical treatment, and needing socialized medicine are three totally different things.

And your point is? Go ahead and make it, because we both know you don't have one.


my point. there was no healthcare crisis in the USA before ACA. NONE.

there are two good things in the ACA bill
1. insurance companies must take you with pre-existing conditions
2. there can be no lifetime maximum payments on a policy.

those two changes could have been made with a one page bill and it would have had unanimous support.


Both of those things make insurance something other than insurance.

Why should my rate go up after 30 years because some irresponsible son of a bitch got sick, and finally decided to buy insurance.

Why should a policy not have a lifetime limit, if one did not PAY for a policy without a lifetime limit?

I don't think people know what insurance really is.


you make valid points, those are the kinds of things that a society must decide how to deal with. What do you propose that society do when a sick person reaches his lifetime maximum? What do you propose that society do with a person who has a pre-existing condition and cannot get insurance?

those are real issues that should have been addressed by congress. Instead we got the worst piece of legislation in the history of our nation that was passed in a corrupt manner by one party.
 
And your point is? Go ahead and make it, because we both know you don't have one.


my point. there was no healthcare crisis in the USA before ACA. NONE.

there are two good things in the ACA bill
1. insurance companies must take you with pre-existing conditions
2. there can be no lifetime maximum payments on a policy.

those two changes could have been made with a one page bill and it would have had unanimous support.

LMAO!!!!!! Holy fuck thanks for the laugh. No healthcare crisis he says.


The healthcare crisis is morbid obesity and obesity related disorders.

Insurance cannot fix that.

I guess you're a big supporter of what Michelle Obama is trying to do then with her initiative to get kids eating right. Right?
Yes I am, and would go one step further.

If you are obese, and on government assistance for food and healthcare, you should be given a menu, educated in how to prepare healthy meals, and told to lose weight or lose benefits.

I am all for an authoritarian approach to the dependent class.


yes, and those able bodied people receiving welfare should be required to do some kind of civil work to receive it, clean the streets, wash police cars, sweep the city hall. etc.
 
3) 18 million under 34 don't NEED insurance counted as "uninsured"... but don't want it!
These 18 million can afford their employers' plans as they make over $50,000...but they don't want it!
These 18 million spend less then $1,000 per year on health services...again they don't want it!
Check it out see if I'm wrong! CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED 2009

I'm a glutton for punishment though, so i'll ask you this.

Show me someone who doesn't need insurance in our country and you'll have a point. Whether they want it or not is inconsequential. There are too many idiots (this thread being proof) that don't understand what they truly need.
Show me how many irresponsible sons of bitches that did not have insurance before have PURCHASED insurance.
Dumb F...K!
Here is what makes your insurance costs go up! $850 BILLION a year in DEFENSIVE MEDICINE! Nothing Else has as a big affect!

FACTS... Give me FACTS to retort these FACTS!!!
For example why do 48% of Federal physicians don't practice "defensive medicine"? Federal Tort Claims Act!

But why are 92% of physicians that are NOT federal physicians report they contribute to the $850 billion a year in DEFENSIVE MEDICINE!

Proof is 90% of physicians surveyed say they order $850 billion a year in wasted duplicate tests, referrals all out of FEAR of being SUED!
Physicians estimate the cost of defensive medicine in US at $650 to $850 billion per year
Emergency medicine, primary care, and OB/GYN physicians are most likely to practice defensive medicine.
79 to 83% of surgeons and OB/GYNs have been named in lawsuits.
BUT NOTE this: "Physicians contracted by the federal government practice significantly less defensive medicine as they are protected against lawsuits by the Federal Tort Claims Act.

Only 48% practice defensive medicine compared to 92% of non-government physicians.
89% of physicians support a patient’s right to be compensated fairly for true negligence.
SOURCE: Health News Observer rsaquo Physicians Estimate The Cost Of Defensive Medicine In Us At 650 To 850 Bill Articles

Do you dumb f..ks understand that this $850 billion a year is WASTED all due to fear of lawsuits!
The proof is 48% of federal doctors say they practice defensive medicine... 92% non federal say they practice!
DO YOU Dummies UNDERSTAND?
The single biggest cost driver of insurance premiums is the FACT companies pay these $850 billion in claims 95% of them the first time!
All that needed to be done is to follow the Federal Tort Claims Act passed in 1946!
Make it comply with Non federal!

But you dummies that have NO idea this goes WAY WAY over your pointy empty HEADS!!!
 
CALLOUS????
Dummy!
Who causes $850 billion of wasted medical expenses???
Why are you so stupid as to ignore the FACT that when: "Physicians contracted by the federal government practice significantly less defensive medicine as they are protected against lawsuits by the Federal Tort Claims Act.
48% report doing Defensive Medicine!
But non Federal doctors...92% practice defensive medicine!

And idiots like you think this has to do with "malpractice insurance"! DUMMY!!!
The doctors order duplicate tests, refer to specialists ALL because of fear of lawsuits!
The insurance companies PAY these $850 billion in wasted defensive claims... 95% of them when first submitted!

But you dummies have no concept because you are so compassionate when it comes to LAWYERS!
These lawyers make $270 billion a year!
Why not tax lawyers 10% for their contribution to this $850 billion expense and take the $27 billion and pay the premium for the 4 million that
need coverage!
But YOU idiots DEFEND this millionaire ambulance chasing lawyers!
WHY???
 
3) 18 million under 34 don't NEED insurance counted as "uninsured"... but don't want it!
These 18 million can afford their employers' plans as they make over $50,000...but they don't want it!
These 18 million spend less then $1,000 per year on health services...again they don't want it!
Check it out see if I'm wrong! CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED 2009

I'm a glutton for punishment though, so i'll ask you this.

Show me someone who doesn't need insurance in our country and you'll have a point. Whether they want it or not is inconsequential. There are too many idiots (this thread being proof) that don't understand what they truly need.
I showed you dummy that there WERE NOT 46 million that was the f...king POINT!
There ARE 4 million that do need insurance and you dummies are protecting the solution!
AGAIN AND AGAIN!
Do you understand $850 billion a year is wasted in the following... I"M NOT SAYING IT ....DOCTORS ARE!!!
YOU don't have to believe me!
Proof is 90% of physicians surveyed say they order $850 billion a year in wasted duplicate tests, referrals all out of FEAR of being SUED!
Physicians estimate the cost of defensive medicine in US at $650 to $850 billion per year
Emergency medicine, primary care, and OB/GYN physicians are most likely to practice defensive medicine.
79 to 83% of surgeons and OB/GYNs have been named in lawsuits.
BUT NOTE this: "Physicians contracted by the federal government practice significantly less defensive medicine as they are protected against lawsuits by the Federal Tort Claims Act.
Only 48% practice defensive medicine compared to 92% of non-government physicians.
89% of physicians support a patient’s right to be compensated fairly for true negligence.
SOURCE: Health News Observer rsaquo Physicians Estimate The Cost Of Defensive Medicine In Us At 650 To 850 Bill Articles

But ignorant people like you don't take the time to read the FACTS!
YOU spout off without even thinking what you are saying!
Reduce this $850 billion by 40% and GUESS WHAT DUMMY!!!!
But of course you don't KNOW what state insurance regulators would do do you cause you so f...king stupid!
THEY would if insurance companies had $300 billion REDUCTION in defensive claims costs that means they HAVE to reduce premiums!
But of course YOU don't know this cause you a DUMMY!!!
 
3) 18 million under 34 don't NEED insurance counted as "uninsured"... but don't want it!
These 18 million can afford their employers' plans as they make over $50,000...but they don't want it!
These 18 million spend less then $1,000 per year on health services...again they don't want it!
Check it out see if I'm wrong! CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED 2009

I'm a glutton for punishment though, so i'll ask you this.

Show me someone who doesn't need insurance in our country and you'll have a point. Whether they want it or not is inconsequential. There are too many idiots (this thread being proof) that don't understand what they truly need.
I showed you dummy that there WERE NOT 46 million that was the f...king POINT!
There ARE 4 million that do need insurance and you dummies are protecting the solution!
AGAIN AND AGAIN!
Do you understand $850 billion a year is wasted in the following... I"M NOT SAYING IT ....DOCTORS ARE!!!
YOU don't have to believe me!
Proof is 90% of physicians surveyed say they order $850 billion a year in wasted duplicate tests, referrals all out of FEAR of being SUED!
Physicians estimate the cost of defensive medicine in US at $650 to $850 billion per year
Emergency medicine, primary care, and OB/GYN physicians are most likely to practice defensive medicine.
79 to 83% of surgeons and OB/GYNs have been named in lawsuits.
BUT NOTE this: "Physicians contracted by the federal government practice significantly less defensive medicine as they are protected against lawsuits by the Federal Tort Claims Act.
Only 48% practice defensive medicine compared to 92% of non-government physicians.
89% of physicians support a patient’s right to be compensated fairly for true negligence.
SOURCE: Health News Observer rsaquo Physicians Estimate The Cost Of Defensive Medicine In Us At 650 To 850 Bill Articles

But ignorant people like you don't take the time to read the FACTS!
YOU spout off without even thinking what you are saying!
Reduce this $850 billion by 40% and GUESS WHAT DUMMY!!!!
But of course you don't KNOW what state insurance regulators would do do you cause you so f...king stupid!
THEY would if insurance companies had $300 billion REDUCTION in defensive claims costs that means they HAVE to reduce premiums!
But of course YOU don't know this cause you a DUMMY!!!

How many people don't NEED insurance?
 
CALLOUS????
Dummy!
Who causes $850 billion of wasted medical expenses???
Why are you so stupid as to ignore the FACT that when: "Physicians contracted by the federal government practice significantly less defensive medicine as they are protected against lawsuits by the Federal Tort Claims Act.
48% report doing Defensive Medicine!
But non Federal doctors...92% practice defensive medicine!

And idiots like you think this has to do with "malpractice insurance"! DUMMY!!!
The doctors order duplicate tests, refer to specialists ALL because of fear of lawsuits!
The insurance companies PAY these $850 billion in wasted defensive claims... 95% of them when first submitted!

But you dummies have no concept because you are so compassionate when it comes to LAWYERS!
These lawyers make $270 billion a year!
Why not tax lawyers 10% for their contribution to this $850 billion expense and take the $27 billion and pay the premium for the 4 million that
need coverage!
But YOU idiots DEFEND this millionaire ambulance chasing lawyers!
WHY???

I have no obligation nor inclination to respond to an asshole like you.

It is the grist of demagogues and damn liars to tell half a story and appeal to the pocket book and not the heart; yes, mine is an appeal to emotion, to the humanity of those of us whose values do not begin and end with money; those who believe avarice is a deadly sin.

That is not to say we should throw money away. But to demean those who found our prior system of Healthcare in America lacking, and those who suffer from disease and end up broke,is vile. I find it curious that the asshole attacks lawyers who actually help patients when harmed by medical providers, and supports an insurance industry in business not to pay claims, but to make a profit.
 
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CALLOUS????
Dummy!
Who causes $850 billion of wasted medical expenses???
Why are you so stupid as to ignore the FACT that when: "Physicians contracted by the federal government practice significantly less defensive medicine as they are protected against lawsuits by the Federal Tort Claims Act.
48% report doing Defensive Medicine!
But non Federal doctors...92% practice defensive medicine!

And idiots like you think this has to do with "malpractice insurance"! DUMMY!!!
The doctors order duplicate tests, refer to specialists ALL because of fear of lawsuits!
The insurance companies PAY these $850 billion in wasted defensive claims... 95% of them when first submitted!

But you dummies have no concept because you are so compassionate when it comes to LAWYERS!
These lawyers make $270 billion a year!
Why not tax lawyers 10% for their contribution to this $850 billion expense and take the $27 billion and pay the premium for the 4 million that
need coverage!
But YOU idiots DEFEND this millionaire ambulance chasing lawyers!
WHY???

I have no obligation nor inclination to respond to an asshole like you.

It is the grist of demagogues and damn liars to tell half a story and appeal to the pocket book and not the heart; yes, mine is an appeal to emotion, to the humanity of those of us whose values do not begin and end with money; those who believe avarice is a deadly sin.

That is not to say we should throw money away. But to demean those who found our prior system of Healthcare in America lacking, and those who suffer from disease and end up broke,is vile. I find it curious that the asshole attacks lawyers who actually help patients when harmed by medical providers, and supports an insurance industry in business not to pay claims, but to make a profit.
ARE YOU a f...king IDIOT??
THEY ARE NOT in BUSINESS NOT to pay claims you dummy!!!

95% of all claims are paid the first time they are submitted!
FACT! DEAL with FACT!
REMEMBER THIS IS THE AMA reporting this!!!

On average The American Medical Association reports that between 1.38% and 5.07% of claims are denied by insurers on first submission.
https://www.optum.com/content/dam/optum/resources/whitePapers/Denial_Management_White_paper.pdf

NOW you dumb F...K!!!!
Why are YOU supporting the lawyers? ARE YOU ONE?
I am not saying this you dummy!
Doctors are saying it NOT ME!
GET it through your f...king thick HEAD!

Proof is 90% of physicians surveyed say they order $850 billion a year in wasted duplicate tests, referrals all out of FEAR of being SUED!
Physicians estimate the cost of defensive medicine in US at $650 to $850 billion per year
Emergency medicine, primary care, and OB/GYN physicians are most likely to practice defensive medicine.
79 to 83% of surgeons and OB/GYNs have been named in lawsuits.

BUT NOTE this: "Physicians contracted by the federal government practice significantly less defensive medicine as they are protected against lawsuits by the Federal Tort Claims Act.

Only 48% practice defensive medicine compared to 92% of non-government physicians.
89% of physicians support a patient’s right to be compensated fairly for true negligence.

SOURCE: Health News Observer rsaquo Physicians Estimate The Cost Of Defensive Medicine In Us At 650 To 850 Bill Articles

NOW you idiot!!!
Lawyers chasing after ambulances have CAUSED FEAR on the part of Doctors and so they PRACTICE DEFENSIVE MEDICINE!
But of COURSE I know what you are!
YOU think you are going to win the lottery! YUP.... You are suing your doctor for not catching the wart in your nose!
So it is his fault and you are suing him for millions thinking YOU are going to win the LOTTERY!!
DUMB f..ks like YOU are what is causing this $850 billion a year in totally wasted health costs!
 
To pass Obamacare Obama told us that:
“I don’t have to explain to you that nearly 46 million Americans don’t have health insurance coverage today."

What HE FAILED to explain to you that:
1) NOW he agrees 10 million of the 46 million were NOT citizens and therefore not eligible!
IF YOU have the GUTS to follow this Census bureau link that proves according to the Census...
PLEASE DO so...Income Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States 2009 - Income Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
NOTE: NOT A CITZEN... 2009 There were 9,936,000 counted... THEY AREN'T citizens!!!

2) If you have the guts follow this link and read how the Census states 14 million counted as uninsured
In the latest Census health insurance report, the Census Bureau ACKNOWLEDGES that the survey
"...underreports Medicare and Medicaid coverage compared with enrollment
and participation data from the Centers for medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS)"
I DARE YOU to follow this link http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf
and see how the Census agrees 14 million should have been enrolled BEFORE ACA in Medicaid/SCHIP!

3) 18 million under 34 don't NEED insurance counted as "uninsured"... but don't want it!
These 18 million can afford their employers' plans as they make over $50,000...but they don't want it!
These 18 million spend less then $1,000 per year on health services...again they don't want it!
Check it out see if I'm wrong! CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED 2009

They add up to 42 million that either aren't eligible, don't know they are eligible or don't want insurance!
NOT 46 million but 4 million!
And ACA was sold on this gigantic phony baloney NUMBER!!!

You were proven wrong in every one of the other 100 threads you started about this.


Only if you consider your claims as proof.
 

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