Old City Jerusalem as an Independent Sovereignty

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    Wrong.
    Israelis are allowed equal access, but the only part that could possibly be of interest to Jews is the Wailing Wall, not the shrine at the top.
    But Jews are also allowed full access to all of the Temple mount except the mosque.

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    When visiting Jerusalem, many people have a desire to visit the Temple Mount and the Dome of the Rock. The Temple Mount is a holy site within the Old City for Jewish, Christian and Muslim people. All visitors are able to tour the compound and the Al-Aqsa Mosque, with the exception of the Dome of the Rock. The best way to visit the site is with a guided Temple Mount tour which we are pleased to offer with guaranteed departures.

    The Temple Mount is the third holiest site for Muslims behind Mecca and Medina. In Muslim tradition, this is where the Prophet Mohammed made his “Night Journey” to the throne of God. In the seventh century, when the Muslims conquered Jerusalem, they built the Dome of the Rock, the gold-topped Islamic shrine seen in many iconic photographs of the Old City, as well as the Al-Aqsa Mosque.

    Today, within the area of the Temple Mount, there are about 100 different structures to see spanning from various time periods. These include prayer spots, arches and fountains. It is definitely worth the visit.

    As there are certain restrictions for visitors, it is important to understand these rules before you go.

    Visiting the Temple Mount
    Visitors enter the complex through the Mughrabi Gate near the Western Wall. Many people will see the entrance as they walk through the Western Wall plaza on a tour of the Old City.

    While admission is free, the site is only open during very specific times. Because of this, the line can be very long to enter. It’s best to arrive early to access this unforgettable site.
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    Visiting the Temple Mount and Dome of the Rock
     
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    The Jewish people are the indigenous peoples.

    The Mandate for Palestine is clearly explained in the Mandate for Palestine. It specifically and exclusively invites Jewish participation in Jewish Self-government.

    Sam Remo has the force of law.

    And the Treaty of Sevres was never ratified and replaced by the Treat of Lausanne.
     
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    Wrong.
    Any country may aid another that is illegally being attacked.
    Israel was illegally attacking Jerusalem.
    That is what the British would also have done, defending Jerusalem from the illegal Israeli attack.
    The UN should have also.
    The attempt to violate sovereignty by force was a crime only committed by Israel.
     
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    Jews are not allowed equal access. They are restricted. They are especially restricted in their ability to carry objects which are Jewish symbols, to pray, to worship, and to walk without being accosted by Muslims spewing hatred.

    Further, the Holiest place in Judaism is NOT the Kotel. The Kotel is a substitute because Jews are not able to fully access their actual holy places.
     
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    Nonsense.
    Jews are not nor ever have been the indigenous people of Palestine, the Land of Canaan, the Levant, or whatever you want to call it.
    The original Hebrew tribe origin is unknown, but it is likely either the Sinai or Egypt.

    And the British Mandate for Palestine specifically does NOT at all allow for any Jewish participation in government.
    And the Treaty of Sevres WAS ratified on 10 August 1920.
    The Treaty of Lausanne in 1923 had nothing at all to do with Palestine, but instead established the country of Turkey out of what was left of the Ottoman Empire.
    Treaty of Sèvres - Wikipedia

    And current Israeli Jews clearly have never come from a desert climate like the Mideast.
    They clearly do not at all belong there.
     
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    There actually are no known holy places to Jews on the Temple Mount.
    They do not know where even the Roman built second temple of Solomon was, and they are just guessing about the Wailing Wall. There has ever been even a remote guess as to where the actual Jewish Temple of Solomon may have been, if it even ever existed at all.

    And it is just corruption for anyone to bring Jewish religious symbols to the Temple Mount because any religious Jew would still be atoning on some other land, waiting for the coming of the Messiah.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    How much of the 'Old City' is still 'Old' now? How would this plan affect ruining sites already in existence but near enough to affect the other sects' 'area'? I don't see this as being run effectively by some 'committee' that includes either Hamas Muslims or lunatic Chassiids with only a few 'moderates standing between them.
     
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    If you're going to comment on this Board, at least know some history and archaeology, and also know what you're talking about. First of all, Solomon's Temple was a different structure than the Second Temple. Although there is less evidence for the First Temple than for the Second, it's still highly unlikely that its existence was simply made up completely.
    Secondly, the evidence for the Second Temple is overwhelming, thanks to Josephus and other historians of that era, the New Testament, the Arch of Titus in Rome, and archaeological artifacts found on the Temple Mount (which the Arabs try to cover up and destroy). In fact, the only reason the Dome of the Rock is there at all, is because Muslims always try and appropriate the holy sites of other faiths. The Arabic name for Jerusalem, al-Quds, means the place of the Temple. King Herod's Temple is well-documented, and so is its position on the Temple Mount. Its style was Herod's building style as can be seen by Herodian, Masada and the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron. The Western Wall was a retaining wall of the Temple's enclosure. Furthermore, you say the Romans built the Second Temple, but that's not actually true. It was built by the Jews after their return from Babylon. King Herod, who was a puppet of the Romans, merely enlarged and beautified it. The Temple Mount has always been the holiest site for Jews, and they know exactly where it is. Let me end this post by saying that the State of Israel without Jerusalem would be like a body without a heart or soul. There would be almost no reason for Israel's very existence if she were to lose Jerusalem in its entirety.
     
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    lollerz.
     
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