Old City Jerusalem as an Independent Sovereignty

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    I was reading a lengthy proposal for a peace agreement today. Mostly the same old same old. Whatever.

    But! One intriguing idea which was presented is a self-governing, self-determining. independent State of Holy City Jerusalem. The proposal itself was rather messy in that it suggested that the Old City be "run by G-d", which I hope we all agree is ... well, *impractical* at best.

    The idea is worth visiting, imo. (Not saying I agree with it, just that its an interesting topic of discussion).

    The Old City becomes a separate, sovereign, independent State. Constitutional principles would include absolute guarantee of equality for people of all religions (or none), ethnicities, nationalities, etc to freely visit, pray, live, travel, worship, shop. The interior spaces of each religious faith's monuments would be under the guidance of that particular religious faith: Al Aqsa Mosque and Dome of the Rock governed by Muslims and Islamic law; the Churches governed by Christians, the Kotel (partitioned areas considered "interior space") by Jewish law. All exterior spaces would be open to anyone. A multi-faith monument would be opened, creating an interior space which could be utilized by people of all faiths and governed by an multi-faith body. Official languages would be Hebrew and Arabic. Family law would be based on individual's preference: sharia, halakha or secular (all three would be provided).

    Government representation is based on equal consideration for the Jewish and Arab peoples, with each peoples having a set number of seats in Parliament, regardless of proportional population (10 seats for Arabs, 10 seats for Jews).

    All normal rights of States are assumed.

    Neither Israel, nor an eventual Palestine has authority or sovereignty. Nor do any other international actors.



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    What is the incentive for Israel to share jurisdiction over a place where it already has full control?

    Compromise only makes sense where there is something to gain by it.
     
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    Well, Israel's jurisdiction is mediated by the necessity to appease the worldwide Muslim community. So to say Israel has "full control" is ... well, generous.
     
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    The worldwide Muslim community can't be appeased, only placated. So, if your damned if you do, damned if you don't, why commit to either?
     
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    Because Israel has no legal authority to any of Jerusalem.
    The 1949 UN partition made Jerusalem a separate entity that is supposed to be controlled by the UN, not Israel or Palestine.
    So do you want the Rule of Law, or the rule of the jungle, where might makes right?
     
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    How is Israel at all harmed by going back to Tel Aviv as its capital?
    It is clear to everyone that the 1967 war where Israel captured Jerusalem, was totally illegal.
    Israel has done well in wars in the past only because they were extremely short.
    If Arab neighbors ever decide in a drawn out conflict, Israel would have to fold.
    The small Jewish population can not fight a long war and maintain an economy.
     
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    181 is not law.
     
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    One could easily ask the same of Arab Palestine. How is Palestine harmed by having Ramallah as its capital?


    (The answer, btw, to your question, is that Israel has proven its ability to secure shared equal access to holy and historical sites. Even to the extent of limiting its own to appease violent Muslims. Arabs and Muslims appear, to date, unable to entertain the idea of a shared holy site. In fact, they insist that Jews don't place their dirty feet in places now deemed "Muslim" because they took them by force of conquest.)
     
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    Well 181 is the best that Israel can claim, so if it is not law, then Israel has no legal existence at all.
     
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    Palestine is not harmed by having Ramallah as its capital.
    I think that Palestine likely should make Ramallah as its capital.
    But clearly Israel can not make Jerusalem it capital.
    That is way beyond any sense or reality.

    It is NOT Israel that secures shared equal access to the holy and historical sites.
    It is the Arab Muslims who control the Temple Mount.
     
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