Official USMB What is a Wall? Why a Wall?

[danielpalos]

To objectively address the thread's title, we need to review Trump's campaign mantra.....

Trump promised his loyal base a wall (never mind the moronic assertion that Mexico would pay for it; THAT was just demagoguery.)

Trump also knows that if a wall is NOT built, his chances of re-election are about as probable as Jill Stein's in 2016

Then we have the made-up DOJ policy that a sitting president cannot be indicted until he or she is out of office and Trump well knows that there are a ton of legal quagmires awaiting him AND his family in 2021 were he out of office.

Finally, the only viable defense that Trump may have in facing these legal issues, is to rely on the statutes of limitation to save his hide.

Sooooooo, the real reason why Trump NEEDS a wall to be built, is NOT because of a made-up "national crisis"........but simply, to keep his fat ass out of bankruptcies, shame and even possibly out of prison.

there is no express wall building power and we have a general welfare clause not a general warfare clause.

 

[danielpalos]

One of Trump's strong points is that he keeps his campaign promises. Agreed that winning in 2020 solves most of his potential legal issues too via the statute of limitations.
However, if Trump imposes a remittances fee on money transfers out of the US to fund the wall that builds the wall using Mexican and other foreign country funds. Its a way to keep his campaign promise regarding the wall:
The Remittance Fee in Oklahoma, Georgia, and in the U.S. Congress

We don't have an immigration clause; we have an express establishment clause for naturalization at the expense of any implied powers. We should have no illegal problem and we should be generating revenue from foreign nationals and upgrading Ellis Island and surrounding infrastructure.

 

[Redfish]

When Obozo was president the dems voted to fund a wall. The same dems that now object to it, voted for it just a few years ago.

WHY is that?

Because the dems want a 2020 talking point that Trump did not keep his promise to build a wall, that's all this has ever been about.

this is nothing but political bullshit, driven by the hypocritical dem/lib party that will never be able to get over Trump beating crooked Hillary after the lying media and the lying pollsters told them that she could not lose.

 

[Redfish]

why is THIS not a "crisis" ??

which gun laws would have prevented the LV shooting?

 

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Dems are merely demonstrating concern for *gasp* upholding our constitutional principles.

pity dumbo donny and his sycophant parrots never understood the US Constitution past their precious 2nd.

Hmmm, remind us which constitutional principle calls for allowing illegal entry into our country. Please quote it from the constitution, or you could just STFU and stop lying.

 

[Correll]

One of Trump's strong points is that he keeps his campaign promises. Agreed that winning in 2020 solves most of his potential legal issues too via the statute of limitations.
However, if Trump imposes a remittances fee on money transfers out of the US to fund the wall that builds the wall using Mexican and other foreign country funds. Its a way to keep his campaign promise regarding the wall:
The Remittance Fee in Oklahoma, Georgia, and in the U.S. Congress

I don’t think taxing people who are sending money to poor people in Mexico is going to fly as a good excuse for Mexico paying for the wall.

It's not an excuse, it's a how they pay.

That’s a pretty shitty deal. Tax poor people?!

I’d think most would take Trumps message of Mexico paying for the wall as the Mexican government, not the poor. Of course I think he was full of shit when he said Mexico would pay for it

Agreed it is a shitty deal.


If Mexico wanted to be a good neighbor, they would control their side of the border, and not let millions of their people illegally cross into our country against our democratically enacted laws.


They would do that, with their own tax dollars, internally, and not say boo about it, because it is being responsible for their own actions.


That is what would be a good deal.


BUt, they are a shit hole of a country, with a shitty government, so we end up with a shitty deal.



Regardless, BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.

 

[Correll]

Actually what you have their is your biased speculation on why Trump is trying to keep his campaign promise to his base.


NOT a look at the actual issue.

Trump's pwn administration is openly stating that there is NO fucking crisis........The "crisis" is all in the orange demagogue's half brain.....

I note that you did not deny that all your op was was, biased speculation.


Instead, you launch another attack on your political enemies.


If I point out the flaws of your second attack, as easily as your first, I take it you would immediately drop that one too, and launch a third?


All you are doing, is flinging shit at the wall, like a monkey, and hoping that something sticks.


BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.

 

[Obama2020]

which gun laws would have prevented the LV shooting?

.... tilt.... no law can prevent an individual shooting and dramatic events will obviously continue to occur.... but:

How Australia And Other Developed Nations Have Put A Stop To Gun Violence
How Australia And Other Developed Nations Have Put A Stop To Gun Violence

The British commonwealth and Japanese have strict laws with excellent statistical results (actually that's all you can rationally expect...). Obviously when the system is tainted by the NRA, don't expect too much positive movement on that front. Regression such as idiotic concepts like 'arm every teacher' would possibly be considered normal under such a system.

If you care about human life, statistics should guide you to the right decision. But then again you must first start to love life more than the tools that take it away. A majority in the USA would call themselves life-loving Christians, the irony is stupefying if you look at comparative statistics and the policies in effect.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

trump has a history of real estate land grab by eminent domain and he has contractor cohorts who would love that wall contract.

trump began his campaign with red meat rhetoric demonizing mexicans AS IF we have a "crisis" at the boarder.

now this so-called president who is a real-life walking talking threat to our national security............

...demonizes and financially depletes all federal agencies assigned to protect our national security!

"keeping campaign promises" "national security" squawk squawk

Kelo v. New London

 

[CrusaderFrank]

which gun laws would have prevented the LV shooting?

.... tilt.... no law can prevent an individual shooting and dramatic events will obviously continue to occur.... but:

How Australia And Other Developed Nations Have Put A Stop To Gun Violence
How Australia And Other Developed Nations Have Put A Stop To Gun Violence

The British commonwealth and Japanese have strict laws with excellent statistical results (actually that's all you can rationally expect...). Obviously when the system is tainted by the NRA, don't expect too much positive movement on that front. Regression such as idiotic concepts like 'arm every teacher' would possibly be considered normal under such a system.

If you care about human life, statistics should guide you to the right decision. But then again you must first start to love life more than the tools that take it away. A majority in the USA would call themselves life-loving Christians, the irony is stupefying if you look at comparative statistics and the policies in effect.

Sucks so bad for you that Hillary couldn't get Garland on SCOTUS and end the Bill of Rights

 

[Thinker101]

which gun laws would have prevented the LV shooting?

.... tilt.... no law can prevent an individual shooting and dramatic events will obviously continue to occur.... but:

How Australia And Other Developed Nations Have Put A Stop To Gun Violence
How Australia And Other Developed Nations Have Put A Stop To Gun Violence

The British commonwealth and Japanese have strict laws with excellent statistical results (actually that's all you can rationally expect...). Obviously when the system is tainted by the NRA, don't expect too much positive movement on that front. Regression such as idiotic concepts like 'arm every teacher' would possibly be considered normal under such a system.

If you care about human life, statistics should guide you to the right decision. But then again you must first start to love life more than the tools that take it away. A majority in the USA would call themselves life-loving Christians, the irony is stupefying if you look at comparative statistics and the policies in effect.

Perhaps you should consider a one way trip to Australia.

 

[kyzr]

One of Trump's strong points is that he keeps his campaign promises. Agreed that winning in 2020 solves most of his potential legal issues too via the statute of limitations.
However, if Trump imposes a remittances fee on money transfers out of the US to fund the wall that builds the wall using Mexican and other foreign country funds. Its a way to keep his campaign promise regarding the wall:
The Remittance Fee in Oklahoma, Georgia, and in the U.S. Congress

You know WHY the "remittance fee" ruse will never happen?????

The MAIN opponent of such a tax is precisely the republican-led U.S. Chamber of Commerce......

.....but stick to the thread's topic rather than your usual diversion.

OK, I agree that Trump needs to stop illegal immigration as best he can, and a wall is a necessity. Why they didn't get the wall funded the 1st two years, along with immigration reform, is as you say, the Chamber of Commerce and big money donor objections.
But the thing that you should address, is why do the dems want open borders? Its not to help the middle class, or low skill workers, it actually depresses their wages. My opinion is to let in all the new democrat voters that they can as well as cater to their big money donors for low labor costs.

 

[Obama2020]

Perhaps you should consider a one way trip to Australia.

You love guns, that's your second amendment right.... for the moment.

That right was adopted in 1791 (reloading your musket took a few minutes lol) in a context that has nothing to do with the 2018 environment. 2018 is a WTF moment that will re-open the discussion.

I think no single individual should have the firepower of an entire 1791 army platoon... but that's only my humble opinion lol. You need to, at the minimum, develop a unit of measure that uses 1791 as a reference point for that second amendment.

Your choice on how to face the chaos brought by WMD's.

 

[Thinker101]

Perhaps you should consider a one way trip to Australia.

You love guns, that's your second amendment right.... for the moment.

That right was adopted in 1791 (reloading your musket took a few minutes lol) in a context that has nothing to do with the 2018 environment. 2018 is a WTF moment that will re-open the discussion.

I think no single individual should have the firepower of an entire 1791 army platoon... but that's only my humble opinion lol. You need to, at the minimum, develop a unit of measure that uses 1791 as a reference point for that second amendment.

Your choice on how to face the chaos brought by WMD's.

Well...you know what they say about opinions.

 

[edward37]

The moron in chief says make adjustments ,,compensate What a POS

 

[Obama2020]

BUt, they are a shit hole of a country, with a shitty government, so we end up with a shitty deal.
Regardless, BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.

I might have a shitty solution... with 50 billion USD wall money, Invade Guatemala, or one of the countries where most of the migrant buses come from.
Take over government, get rid of the gangs. Stabilize the country so that it becomes a sanctuary country that will attract all the migrants coming from all over central america.
Give it the same status as Puerto Rico... etc...

The honey pot will keep these migrants off the Mexican border..... Voila...

 

[Slade3200]

One of Trump's strong points is that he keeps his campaign promises. Agreed that winning in 2020 solves most of his potential legal issues too via the statute of limitations.
However, if Trump imposes a remittances fee on money transfers out of the US to fund the wall that builds the wall using Mexican and other foreign country funds. Its a way to keep his campaign promise regarding the wall:
The Remittance Fee in Oklahoma, Georgia, and in the U.S. Congress

I don’t think taxing people who are sending money to poor people in Mexico is going to fly as a good excuse for Mexico paying for the wall.

It's not an excuse, it's a how they pay.

That’s a pretty shitty deal. Tax poor people?!

I’d think most would take Trumps message of Mexico paying for the wall as the Mexican government, not the poor. Of course I think he was full of shit when he said Mexico would pay for it

Agreed it is a shitty deal.


If Mexico wanted to be a good neighbor, they would control their side of the border, and not let millions of their people illegally cross into our country against our democratically enacted laws.

They would do that, with their own tax dollars, internally, and not say boo about it, because it is being responsible for their own actions.

That is what would be a good deal.

BUt, they are a shit hole of a country, with a shitty government, so we end up with a shitty deal.

Regardless, BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.

Ok so we agree that taxing the poor is not justification for Mexico paying for the wall. So Let’s not use that line anymore.

 

[nat4900]

BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.

Get your shovel ready since you and your moronic ilk will NEVER get the House to approve funding of Trump's useless promise to his equally ignorant cult members.

 

[nat4900]

But the thing that you should address, is why do the dems want open borders?

Sure, I WILL address your moronic question........

It is a Trump cult membership assertion that Dems want open borders......You and Hannity are full of shit for mindlessly repeating the same garbage.

Check out just how many more border patrol agents were hired under the Obama administration.......does THAT "confirm" that "dems are for open borders?"

 

[nat4900]

Trump's wall (the "monument" that he wants to build strictly for his own search for glory) will NEVER be built......PERIOD........the 2018 election confirmed this.

So, the ONLY way to stop this madness of a government shutdown, is for sane Senate republicans to get off their knees and stop kissing Trump's fat ass.....and start worrying for their own re-election chances in 2020.....REMEMBER that there are almost TWENTY republican senators up for re-election and the longer the shutdown lasts, their chances diminish.