[OFFICIAL] USMB Post Debate Poll/Thursday 10-16

[PixieStix]

Actually, I think Obama referred to the violence as an act of terror.

Also think that you conservatives are trying a bit too hard to convince people that Obama is a delusional nit-wit that cannot connect the dots between an embassy attack on 9/11 an acts of terror.


So I say, you draw your own conclusions. I will draw mine.

He spoke on acts of terror, but did not call the Libya attack and act of terror. He called the murderers of 4 Americans "killers"

 

[paulitician]

And how bout that 'fair & impartial' Moderator? She only gave Obama 9% more speaking time and allowed him to interrupt Romney only 28 times. Oh well, i guesss that's better than that VP debacle. Seriously, it's time to change how these Moderators are chosen. All these Debates just seem like set-ups for the Democrat to win. That has to change. Forget just Romney & Ryan, the People have not been served well with these bogus Debates. It's time for change.

 

[Ravi]

I wonder what happened to the man that made the video that Obama blamed the attack on?

Could you link Obama blaming the Libya attack on the video?

No?

How surprising!

Why do you lie, Pix?

I already did, you are just blind to the truth. Have you been studying rules for radicals again Ravi?

No you didn't.

 

[Foxfyre]

Scoring the debate strictly as an old debate coach and judge:

I gave Obama a slight edge on points made. (Part but not all of this was due to the fact he got 3-1/2 more minutes to speak than Romney did and that Obama simply does better with targeted and memorized phrases than Romney does. Romney sometimes gets into the weeds on nitpicked issues and doesn't quite complete his thought.)

I gave Romney the win on substance. This is because Romney answered the questions much more specifically than Obama did, and Romney is much better on big picture concepts than Obama is. And I think Romney will come out far better than Obama when the legitimate fact checking is reported.

I checked Romney won because I personally put more importance on substance and accuracy than I do on formal debate points in these things.

Of course both sides are claiming victory this morning. We'll know in a few days after the immediate spin cycle dies down and the follow up polls are completed.

 

[amrchaos]

Actually, I think Obama referred to the violence as an act of terror.

Also think that you conservatives are trying a bit too hard to convince people that Obama is a delusional nit-wit that cannot connect the dots between an embassy attack on 9/11 an acts of terror.


So I say, you draw your own conclusions. I will draw mine.

He spoke on acts of terror, but did not call the Libya attack and act of terror. He called the murderers of 4 Americans "killers"

No--he did not say, word for word,that the attack was a terrorist attack. But one can infer that he consider it a terrorist attack from his words.

Also, terrorist that kill people are also called killers.


In short, you have to convince me that he did not believe these attacks are not a terrorist act nor related to a terrorists act for me to draw that conclusion from his statements.

Now, if you start to follow his surrogates and the stuff they were saying, you have a much easier job of it. But if you are just using his statements on Sept 12, all I can say is that is not what I drew from it.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Here is the timeline for those unbelievers that cannot believe nor remember, if they were ever paying attention as to what happened before and after the attack on 9-11-12

Libya Consulate Timeline: What did the Obama Administration Do?

It is all right there. Read it, remember it. Because this is the way that the Obama administration handles actual terrorist attacks

He certainly implied that it was a terrorist attack. And it certainly seems that it was one. However, we actually still don't actually know.

We don't need a President who "implies"...

We need a leader and we know that isn't Barry...

Thankfully, he's leaving in January...

We need a leader and we know that isn't Barry...

dont know if its Romney either.....

 

[paulitician]

Bottom line is, Obama underwhelmed. Nothing has changed. Romney is still leading. Even with help from the 'Moderator', Obama didn't do much. Romney did a good job conveying his message. Which is, if you want to continue living in this current misery, Obama's your man. But if you want something different, Romney's your man. That's what it all comes down to in the end. This Debate didn't change that. That being said, it was likely a Draw. Both did ok, but there was no clear winner in my opinion.

 

[amrchaos]

And how bout that 'fair & impartial' Moderator? She only gave Obama 9% more speaking time and allowed him to interrupt Romney only 28 times. Oh well, i guesss that's better than that VP debacle. Seriously, it's time to change how these Moderators are chosen. All these Debates just seem like set-ups for the Democrat to win. That has to change. Forget just Romney & Ryan, the People have not been served well with these bogus Debates. It's time for change.

OK--how about we choose moderators with party affiliation that is not of the incumbent?

It will make debates awhole lot more intereting.

Think about it, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Shawn Hannity moderating a debate between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama. Mighty interesting, yes?

 

[Valerie]

The people who are claiming Obama did not blame the video are lying.

Obama sets a standard

Oh, and Obama called the murderers of our ambassador, killers, not terrorists

Pixie, that video did cause a lot of Muslim anger and on 9/11/12 they took the opportunity to protest the USA, with several Muslims expressing outrage specifically over that video and other similar perceived US offenses and insults to their faith.

Naturally, whenever diplomats spoke about the events across the world that day, the video got mentioned as a possible precipitating factor. It is merely a timely reference point used to better understand where the violent outburst is coming from. No one is pretending or "covering up" the fact that plenty of Muslims want to kill Americans with or without mentioning that specific video. Perpetuating this "Obama lied" meme is all fueled by POLITICS.

 

[paulitician]

Why do Democrats interrupt so much? Republicans just don't do that. But more importantly, why do these 'Moderators' allow them to?

 

[PixieStix]

Actually, I think Obama referred to the violence as an act of terror.

Also think that you conservatives are trying a bit too hard to convince people that Obama is a delusional nit-wit that cannot connect the dots between an embassy attack on 9/11 an acts of terror.


So I say, you draw your own conclusions. I will draw mine.

He spoke on acts of terror, but did not call the Libya attack and act of terror. He called the murderers of 4 Americans "killers"

No--he did not say, word for word,that the attack was a terrorist attack. But one can infer that he consider it a terrorist attack from his words.

Also, terrorist that kill people are also called killers.


In short, you have to convince me that he did not believe these attacks are not a terrorist act nor related to a terrorists act for me to draw that conclusion from his statements.

Now, if you start to follow his surrogates and the stuff they were saying, you have a much easier job of it. But if you are just using his statements on Sept 12, all I can say is that is not what I drew from it.

I think Obama feared what this might do to his election. He was hoping against all hope that this could be blamed on that dumb video. Because his election campaign was using the narrative that he broke the back of terrorism. I am sure he knew deep inside. But the media helped him to run with a lie for quite a few days.

Another one of Obama's statements on the terrorist attack.

"While the United States rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, we must all unequivocally oppose the kind of senseless violence that took the lives of these public servants." ~President Obama~

If this is not blaming the video, I don't know what to tell you

 

[clevergirl]

I wonder what happened to the man that made the video that Obama blamed the attack on?

Could you link Obama blaming the Libya attack on the video?

No?

How surprising!

Why do you lie, Pix?

No, why do you lie? You freaking brown nosing apologist~

That is what we saw play out the last two weeks, as a crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world. I have made it clear that the United States government had nothing to do with this video, and I believe its message must be rejected by all who respect our common humanity. It is an insult not only to Muslims, but to America as well – for as the city outside these walls makes clear, we are a country that has welcomed people of every race and religion. We are home to Muslims who worship across our country. We not only respect the freedom of religion – we have laws that protect individuals from being harmed because of how they look or what they believe. We understand why people take offense to this video because millions of our citizens are among them.

TRANSCRIPT: President Obama’s Address to the United Nations General Assembly | Fox News Insider

 

[amrchaos]

The people who are claiming Obama did not blame the video are lying.

Obama sets a standard

Oh, and Obama called the murderers of our ambassador, killers, not terrorists

Pixie, that video did cause a lot of Muslim anger and on 9/11/12 they took the opportunity to protest the USA, with several Muslims expressing outrage specifically over that video and other similar perceived US offenses and insults to their faith.

Naturally, whenever diplomats spoke about the events across the world that day, the video got mentioned as a possible precipitating factor. It is merely a timely reference point used to better understand where the violent outburst is coming from. No one is pretending or "covering up" the fact that plenty of Muslims want to kill Americans with or without mentioning that specific video. Perpetuating this "Obama lied" meme is all fueled by POLITICS.

I think so to, and it is not necessary for the GOP to win elections.

But then, Right wingers are a bit into "Over-kill" when they go about something.

Don't just kick the man out of office, disgrace forever and ever.

Then again, Obama does have many socialist tendencies, so that is probably what is spurring it on. Right-wingers hate socialists.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

As I predicted all Obama had to do was not repeat the first disaster, and Obama supporters (which includes the media) would declare he won.
And that is exactly what happened.
For those of us who are not blind partisans, it was close. Almost a draw.
I give a slight nod to Romney based on the fact he answered most questions, rather than repeating prepared talking points like Obama did.
The best moment for both candidates:
Obama - with the help of the moderator, Romneys remark about "act of terror" backfired - but in reality it of course did not. Regardless of what he said the first day - for days afterward the white house clearly stated it was a spontaneous attack.
Romney - - "He keeps saying over and over we created 5 million jobs, well they also LOST 5 million jobs in the past 4 years, so I don't know why he keeps saying that".

 

[Foxfyre]

Okay folks, here is the full transcript of the Rose Garden speech made the day after the attack on the Benghazi consulate - emphasis mine:

You make the call as to whether he labeled this a terrorist attack or whether he was pointing to the video that the U.N. Ambassador cited as the sole cause of the attack on five different Sunday television shows:

Remarks by the President on the Deaths of U.S. Embassy Staff in Libya

Rose Garden

10:43 A.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. Every day, all across the world, American diplomats and civilians work tirelessly to advance the interests and values of our nation. Often, they are away from their families. Sometimes, they brave great danger.

Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi. Among those killed was our Ambassador, Chris Stevens, as well as Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith. We are still notifying the families of the others who were killed. And today, the American people stand united in holding the families of the four Americans in our thoughts and in our prayers.

The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack. We're working with the government of Libya to secure our diplomats. I've also directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world. And make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people.

Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts.

Already, many Libyans have joined us in doing so, and this attack will not break the bonds between the United States and Libya. Libyan security personnel fought back against the attackers alongside Americans. Libyans helped some of our diplomats find safety, and they carried Ambassador Stevens’s body to the hospital, where we tragically learned that he had died.

It's especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save. At the height of the Libyan revolution, Chris led our diplomatic post in Benghazi. With characteristic skill, courage, and resolve, he built partnerships with Libyan revolutionaries, and helped them as they planned to build a new Libya. When the Qaddafi regime came to an end, Chris was there to serve as our ambassador to the new Libya, and he worked tirelessly to support this young democracy, and I think both Secretary Clinton and I relied deeply on his knowledge of the situation on the ground there. He was a role model to all who worked with him and to the young diplomats who aspire to walk in his footsteps.

Along with his colleagues, Chris died in a country that is still striving to emerge from the recent experience of war. Today, the loss of these four Americans is fresh, but our memories of them linger on. I have no doubt that their legacy will live on through the work that they did far from our shores and in the hearts of those who love them back home.

Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.

As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory, and let us continue their work of seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost and may God bless the United States of America.

Full Transcript of Obama's Rose Garden Speech After Sept. 11 Benghazi Attack - October 16 12 10:31 EDT - ForexTV.com

 

[Ravi]

I wonder what happened to the man that made the video that Obama blamed the attack on?

Could you link Obama blaming the Libya attack on the video?

No?

How surprising!

Why do you lie, Pix?

No, why do you lie? You freaking brown nosing apologist~

That is what we saw play out the last two weeks, as a crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world. I have made it clear that the United States government had nothing to do with this video, and I believe its message must be rejected by all who respect our common humanity. It is an insult not only to Muslims, but to America as well – for as the city outside these walls makes clear, we are a country that has welcomed people of every race and religion. We are home to Muslims who worship across our country. We not only respect the freedom of religion – we have laws that protect individuals from being harmed because of how they look or what they believe. We understand why people take offense to this video because millions of our citizens are among them.

TRANSCRIPT: President Obama’s Address to the United Nations General Assembly | Fox News Insider

The video did spark outrage through the Muslim world. Are you this stupid in real life?

 

[amrchaos]

He spoke on acts of terror, but did not call the Libya attack and act of terror. He called the murderers of 4 Americans "killers"

No--he did not say, word for word,that the attack was a terrorist attack. But one can infer that he consider it a terrorist attack from his words.

Also, terrorist that kill people are also called killers.


In short, you have to convince me that he did not believe these attacks are not a terrorist act nor related to a terrorists act for me to draw that conclusion from his statements.

Now, if you start to follow his surrogates and the stuff they were saying, you have a much easier job of it. But if you are just using his statements on Sept 12, all I can say is that is not what I drew from it.

I think Obama feared what this might do to his election. He was hoping against all hope that this could be blamed on that dumb video. Because his election campaign was using the narrative that he broke the back of terrorism. I am sure he knew deep inside. But the media helped him to run with a lie for quite a few days.

Another one of Obama's statements on the terrorist attack.

"While the United States rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, we must all unequivocally oppose the kind of senseless violence that took the lives of these public servants." ~President Obama~

If this is not blaming the video, I don't know what to tell you

Let use your conviction that Obama is blaming the video.

Are you therefore suggesting that the attacks, in Obama mind, is not to be considered a terrorist act or even possibly a terrorists attack?

Or are you suggesting that Obama believes that these were "spontaneous attacks" that was spurned by one particular video, considering the hundreds of anti-Islam videos on the internet, and nothing else?

Of course, I am suggesting after you read his entire statement and draw your conclusions from it.

 

[Foxfyre]

Romney was graded down on debate points because here he should have asked President Obama who sent the U.N. Ambassador out to specifically cite the video stirring up a 'spontaneous mob' who stormed the embassy.

 

[Liability]

Actually, I think Obama referred to the violence as an act of terror.

Also think that you conservatives are trying a bit too hard to convince people that Obama is a delusional nit-wit that cannot connect the dots between an embassy attack on 9/11 an acts of terror.


So I say, you draw your own conclusions. I will draw mine.

No. He did not. His speech was not exactly a model of clarity, but the ONLY time the President made ANY allusion to the word "terror" was AFTER he had invoked the painful memories of 9/11/2001.

And THEN he suggested that we will not cave in to acts of terror. He was talking about the attack in America 11 years earlier and the brave men and women in the military who are fighting in response to that attack.

Meanwhile, the dope was starting some puffery about the Benghazi attack as being a mob reaction to the stupid video.

 

[PixieStix]

No--he did not say, word for word,that the attack was a terrorist attack. But one can infer that he consider it a terrorist attack from his words.

Also, terrorist that kill people are also called killers.


In short, you have to convince me that he did not believe these attacks are not a terrorist act nor related to a terrorists act for me to draw that conclusion from his statements.

Now, if you start to follow his surrogates and the stuff they were saying, you have a much easier job of it. But if you are just using his statements on Sept 12, all I can say is that is not what I drew from it.

I think Obama feared what this might do to his election. He was hoping against all hope that this could be blamed on that dumb video. Because his election campaign was using the narrative that he broke the back of terrorism. I am sure he knew deep inside. But the media helped him to run with a lie for quite a few days.

Another one of Obama's statements on the terrorist attack.

"While the United States rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, we must all unequivocally oppose the kind of senseless violence that took the lives of these public servants." ~President Obama~

If this is not blaming the video, I don't know what to tell you

Let use your conviction that Obama is blaming the video.

Are you therefore suggesting that the attacks, in Obama mind, is not to be considered a terrorist act or even possibly a terrorists attack?

Or are you suggesting that Obama believes that these were "spontaneous attacks" that was spurned by one particular video, considering the hundreds of anti-Islam videos on the internet, and nothing else?

Of course, I am suggesting after you read his entire statement and draw your conclusions from it.

Obama does not have a fixed truth. Truth to him is relative and changing