O'Donnell questions separation of church, state

[Meister]

Really? Does that mean you are okay with sharia law being established in government institutions?

Wouldn't that be religion dictating policy to the government? I do see a difference
What your saying is like the Catholic religion could make it a crime if a person used contaception

I don't know if they'd make it a crime...but certainly both Christians and Muslims would have no problem making gay marriage a crime. Or abortion.

What is the difference when you get right down to it? No religion should be allowed to make laws based on their morality.

I agree fully with you, hence Separation of Church and State...in that regards.
But to put a Nativity scene in a public square, or saying "in God we trust...." is not separation of Church and State. IMHO

 

[bodecea]

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Listen to the crowd.

I heard the audio. A combo of disbelief and laughing at her.

 

[The T]

Wouldn't that be religion dictating policy to the government? I do see a difference
What your saying is like the Catholic religion could make it a crime if a person used contaception

I don't know if they'd make it a crime...but certainly both Christians and Muslims would have no problem making gay marriage a crime. Or abortion.

What is the difference when you get right down to it? No religion should be allowed to make laws based on their morality.

I agree fully with you, hence Separation of Church and State...in that regards.
But to put a Nativity scene in a public square, or saying "in God we trust...." is not separation of Church and State. IMHO

If it were? It wouln't be on those bills churned out by the FED...albiet that nutjob in KaleeFornya wanted it...I forget his name...

 

[Queen]

Hey Fagboy,

You "Creating a wall of church and state" isn't in the constitution!

Where in the Constitution is the separation of church and state?

The term seperation of church and state comes from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson. He said:

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.

He's explaining the first amendment which says:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

Jefferson's Wall of Separation Letter - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

First of all I'm female you right wing freak. Secondly, Thomas Jefferson wrote that about the first amendment. But you don't give a shit about what the founders intended do you?

 

[bodecea]

O'Donnell questions separation of church, state - Politics - Decision 2010 - msnbc.com



I thought these Tea Party candidates were all about Constitutionalism? WTF???

The separation of church and state is a fallacy. Our founding fathers did intend to keep government out of the religious arena by disallowing a national religion such as existed in England with the Church of England; however the intent was never to keep the church out of government.

Few American educated people, it seems, have the ability to critically analyze political spin. Case in point: separation of church and state. The far left has embarked on a massive propaganda campaign to socialize the masses into believing that the above is an absolute. Religion, therefore, and any reference to God should be anathema in politics, leg-islation and enactment of law.

The historical and philosophical facts are quite different however. Our fore fathers never envisioned an absolute separation of church and state. Most of them were religious people. Their model for government was based mostly on separation of powers. In their mind, the church, as an organized entity, should hold no formal position in government. They did not say or imply that the church should have no voice in pronouncing political descent. Nor did they ever envision a government devoid of references to Judeo-Christian theology or idealisms; and they never believed that the government must be completely secular.

Unfortunately, many people believe the liberal left’s machinations without regard to these historical facts. Their argument states that more wars have been fought in the name of religion than of any other source. They cry: ‘the marriage of religion and politic has produced the crusades, Inquisition and the Taliban’ etc. What they fail to mention is the melding of the secular with absolute power. This has produced virulently greater horrors as evidenced in the persons of Stalin (20+ million dead) and Hitler (11+ million). Not to mention the killing fields of Cambodia and other secular genocide committed in the name of a greater social order.

In rebuttal: firstly, the Declaration of Independence itself is a religious document. The preamble states the primary premise from which all of the other premises follow. The premise is: that all people are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. These ‘rights’ are not endowed by the state, nor by any secular entity, be it government or king, but by God. Secondly, the framers of the Constitution wrote the latter and the Bill of Rights etc. because they believed that legislating such documents into law was God’s will. Their very core ethos as Christians made them draw the conclusions written within the documents. You cannot separate these documents from their Judeo-Christian roots without tearing them asunder and laying them waste. Simply, the ethics contained in our Constitution are Judeo-Christian. Therefore our constitution is essentially a religious document. Thus, separation of church and state as the far left sees it is complete fallacy.

Lastly, it is neither religion nor people of faith who have produced the horrors mention above. It is an evil that knows no boundaries. It has transcended all times, peoples and cultures whether secular or religious. In the Christian gospels Jesus vehemently condemned one sin in particular above all others. The reason is that this sin has the potential of producing the greatest amount of evil. It is none other than the greatest of the seven deadly sins: humanities tendency toward self-righteous pride. Hitler, Stalin, Usama Bin Laden, all of these have been inebriated by this great sin. So absolute is its power to blind that one, when caught in its grip, could conceive genocide as justifiable - even when done in the name of God.
Separation of Church and State: the leftist fallacy exposed. - Tech Support Forums - TechIMO.com

All the First Amendment says is that Government cannot establish a national Religion.

PERIOD.

The Constitution does NOT prohibit GOD anywhere in our Society, and that includes Government instituions.

So, Sharia law works for you....or rather, no one can ever use the 1st amendment to stop sharia law.....

 

[Jack Fate]

Did ya ever notice how closed minded and bigoted the ones who claim to be open minded are? If you don't believe in evolution then you are an extremist crazy right winger. O'Donnell is correct. Evolution is a "theory". Unproven. Just shows you how peer pressure and indoctrination work hand in hand in the government new age indoctrination system of the brave new world the liberals want us all to live in. No thanks.

 

[bodecea]

All the First Amendment says is that Government cannot establish a national Religion.

PERIOD.

The Constitution does NOT prohibit GOD anywhere in our Society, and that includes Government instituions.

Really? Does that mean you are okay with sharia law being established in government institutions?

Hey stupid, what part of the "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion " do you not understand?

Who says Congress would make such laws?


You guys crack me up.....on one hand, the 1st amendment doesn't prevent religion in government....then, suddenly, it does. I guess it depends on the religion.

 

[Queen]

Did ya ever notice how closed minded and bigoted the ones who claim to be open minded are? If you don't believe in evolution then you are an extremist crazy right winger. O'Donnell is correct. Evolution is a "theory". Unproven. Just shows you how peer pressure and indoctrination work hand in hand in the government new age indoctrination system of the brave new world the liberals want us all to live in. No thanks.

O'Donnell didn't call evolution a theory. She called it a myth.

Just shows you what an idiot you and she are.

 

[bodecea]

Wouldn't that be religion dictating policy to the government? I do see a difference
What your saying is like the Catholic religion could make it a crime if a person used contaception

I don't know if they'd make it a crime...but certainly both Christians and Muslims would have no problem making gay marriage a crime. Or abortion.

What is the difference when you get right down to it? No religion should be allowed to make laws based on their morality.

I agree fully with you, hence Separation of Church and State...in that regards.
But to put a Nativity scene in a public square, or saying "in God we trust...." is not separation of Church and State. IMHO

If my local taxes are paying for it, it is.

 

[bodecea]

Did ya ever notice how closed minded and bigoted the ones who claim to be open minded are? If you don't believe in evolution then you are an extremist crazy right winger. O'Donnell is correct. Evolution is a "theory". Unproven. Just shows you how peer pressure and indoctrination work hand in hand in the government new age indoctrination system of the brave new world the liberals want us all to live in. No thanks.

So, to solve that problem, lets not teach ANY science in school because MOST of science is theories anyways....even Newton's 3 laws of physics are theories....gravity is a theory. Let's not teach it to be on the safe side.

 

[Queen]

Really? Does that mean you are okay with sharia law being established in government institutions?

Hey stupid, what part of the "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion " do you not understand?

Who says Congress would make such laws?


You guys crack me up.....on one hand, the 1st amendment doesn't prevent religion in government....then, suddenly, it does. I guess it depends on the religion.

Congress cannot make a law determining what religion is allowed or not allowed. What's so hard to understand? The US government may not have religious symbols on government property, make any laws regarding religion or tell anyone what religion they are allowed to practice.

Why do you people have so much trouble with this?

 

[Meister]

I don't know if they'd make it a crime...but certainly both Christians and Muslims would have no problem making gay marriage a crime. Or abortion.

What is the difference when you get right down to it? No religion should be allowed to make laws based on their morality.

I agree fully with you, hence Separation of Church and State...in that regards.
But to put a Nativity scene in a public square, or saying "in God we trust...." is not separation of Church and State. IMHO

If my local taxes are paying for it, it is.

Can I say the same thing about Obama's healthcare?

 

[bodecea]

Did ya ever notice how closed minded and bigoted the ones who claim to be open minded are? If you don't believe in evolution then you are an extremist crazy right winger. O'Donnell is correct. Evolution is a "theory". Unproven. Just shows you how peer pressure and indoctrination work hand in hand in the government new age indoctrination system of the brave new world the liberals want us all to live in. No thanks.

O'Donnell didn't call evolution a theory. She called it a myth.

Just shows you what an idiot you and she are.

I bet she thinks evolution says we descended from apes.

 

[bodecea]

I agree fully with you, hence Separation of Church and State...in that regards.
But to put a Nativity scene in a public square, or saying "in God we trust...." is not separation of Church and State. IMHO

If my local taxes are paying for it, it is.

Can I say the same thing about Obama's healthcare?

Does the 1st amendment (or any other amendment) expressly protect you from government establishing it?

 

[Queen]

I don't know if they'd make it a crime...but certainly both Christians and Muslims would have no problem making gay marriage a crime. Or abortion.

What is the difference when you get right down to it? No religion should be allowed to make laws based on their morality.

I agree fully with you, hence Separation of Church and State...in that regards.
But to put a Nativity scene in a public square, or saying "in God we trust...." is not separation of Church and State. IMHO

If my local taxes are paying for it, it is.

A nativity scene is not allowed on public land.

Just as a Muslim symbol or a Jewish symbol is not allowed on public land.

Public land is owned by the tax payers/government.

 

[Queen]

If my local taxes are paying for it, it is.

Can I say the same thing about Obama's healthcare?

Does the 1st amendment (or any other amendment) expressly protect you from government establishing it?

No, that's just a crazy teabagger notion.

 

[Meister]

I agree fully with you, hence Separation of Church and State...in that regards.
But to put a Nativity scene in a public square, or saying "in God we trust...." is not separation of Church and State. IMHO

If my local taxes are paying for it, it is.

A nativity scene is not allowed on public land.

Just as a Muslim symbol or a Jewish symbol is not allowed on public land.

Public land is owned by the tax payers/government.

We have the Ten Commandments at City Hall where I live.

 

[Revere]

Nothing in the Constitution says you can't pray, or put religious artifacts on public land.

 

[Revere]

God is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

Except when Obama reads it aloud.

 

[Queen]

If my local taxes are paying for it, it is.

A nativity scene is not allowed on public land.

Just as a Muslim symbol or a Jewish symbol is not allowed on public land.

Public land is owned by the tax payers/government.

We have the Ten Commandments at City Hall where I live.

That's a constitutional violation. If you love the constitution and want to uphold and support it, you should go tell them to take it off public property.

And actually I kind of doubt you. Go take a picture of it and prove it.