Ocasio-Cortez To Dems Trying To Rein Her In: ‘I’m Not Locked Up In Here With You.

[Conservative65]

You also claim you're doing better than me. I've yet to see anything supporting either claim. You keep making promises you refuse to support with proof. Do you have any or should we believe you because you said so?

I know i am.. that's all I need to know. Bigots never do well in life.

If they won't get off their asses to better themselves, they damn sure won't make what would be a greater effort to overthrow anything. If those that constantly whine would spend 1/4 the time trying to better themselves as they do groaning, imagine where they'd be in life.

Yeah, you keep telling yourself that. History kind of proves you wrong. I know this information has been deviously hidden from you in things called "Books".

Those eating what you call a shit sandwich should be aware that those they try to "overthrow", to use your term, don't give a shit whether the turd eaters get hurt.

I'm sure they don't, and that's the problem. The thing is, the people who are most angry are the Trump supporters who live in trailer parks and think they are better off just because they are white.

You know, kind of like you.

If you know, then you should be able to prove. In fact, in order for you to claim you know would mean you'd have to know information about me that you would have to have done things you're simply not man enough to do. That you refuse to back it up proves you are making up things to feel better about yourself.

Let them have it. They won't like the results.

Being white doesn't make me better. Being better than you is what makes me superior to you.

 

[danielpalos]

That doesn't, by default mean it's someone else's responsibility to provide it.

If the job the person is working isn't providing enough, it says far more about that person's lack of skills than anything else.

No, it says something about the greed of the one percent. You have CEO's who bankrupt their companies and STILL get 8 figure salaries... that's fucking nuts.

I'm not the one begging the government to force someone else to provide for me. Tells me your claims that you're doing well means you believe the handouts you get were earned.

I don't get any handouts. I haven't even been unemployed for any extended period since 2001, and I promise you, I pay far more in than I have ever gotten out, so far.

Making claims that someone that is far more successful that you ever could be ripped someone off to do it prove you realize you'll never be anything but a failure and you're jealous of successful people.

No, guy, I'm a pragmatist. i realize that when 40% of the population has less than 1% of the wealth, they are probably going to overthrow the system at some point.

Now, here's the thing. I actually do find AOC's love of socialism a bit scary... It probably would wreck the Middle class lifestyle I have. But that said, when people are eating the shit sandwich, they probably aren't going to care who gets hurt.

So, a government that won't control spending and overspends by $1,000,000,000,000 is the Final Solution to the Capitalism problem?

Maybe Joe thinks all we need to do is print more money.

let's raise the minimum wage to raise more tax money.

 

[Conservative65]

That doesn't, by default mean it's someone else's responsibility to provide it.

If the job the person is working isn't providing enough, it says far more about that person's lack of skills than anything else.

No, it says something about the greed of the one percent. You have CEO's who bankrupt their companies and STILL get 8 figure salaries... that's fucking nuts.

I'm not the one begging the government to force someone else to provide for me. Tells me your claims that you're doing well means you believe the handouts you get were earned.

I don't get any handouts. I haven't even been unemployed for any extended period since 2001, and I promise you, I pay far more in than I have ever gotten out, so far.

Making claims that someone that is far more successful that you ever could be ripped someone off to do it prove you realize you'll never be anything but a failure and you're jealous of successful people.

No, guy, I'm a pragmatist. i realize that when 40% of the population has less than 1% of the wealth, they are probably going to overthrow the system at some point.

Now, here's the thing. I actually do find AOC's love of socialism a bit scary... It probably would wreck the Middle class lifestyle I have. But that said, when people are eating the shit sandwich, they probably aren't going to care who gets hurt.

So, a government that won't control spending and overspends by $1,000,000,000,000 is the Final Solution to the Capitalism problem?

Maybe Joe thinks all we need to do is print more money.

let's raise the minimum wage to raise more tax money.

It won't necessarily raise it. That can be proven.

 

[Moonglow]

My, my the repubs sure do fear her, not a week goes by that they don't try to trash her.. It's not working you old white robotic immoral lemmings in Congress of both parties..

 

[danielpalos]

That doesn't, by default mean it's someone else's responsibility to provide it.

If the job the person is working isn't providing enough, it says far more about that person's lack of skills than anything else.

No, it says something about the greed of the one percent. You have CEO's who bankrupt their companies and STILL get 8 figure salaries... that's fucking nuts.

I'm not the one begging the government to force someone else to provide for me. Tells me your claims that you're doing well means you believe the handouts you get were earned.

I don't get any handouts. I haven't even been unemployed for any extended period since 2001, and I promise you, I pay far more in than I have ever gotten out, so far.

Making claims that someone that is far more successful that you ever could be ripped someone off to do it prove you realize you'll never be anything but a failure and you're jealous of successful people.

No, guy, I'm a pragmatist. i realize that when 40% of the population has less than 1% of the wealth, they are probably going to overthrow the system at some point.

Now, here's the thing. I actually do find AOC's love of socialism a bit scary... It probably would wreck the Middle class lifestyle I have. But that said, when people are eating the shit sandwich, they probably aren't going to care who gets hurt.

So, a government that won't control spending and overspends by $1,000,000,000,000 is the Final Solution to the Capitalism problem?

Maybe Joe thinks all we need to do is print more money.

let's raise the minimum wage to raise more tax money.

It won't necessarily raise it. That can be proven.

how is that? the law of large numbers will work for us.

 

[hadit]

No, it says something about the greed of the one percent. You have CEO's who bankrupt their companies and STILL get 8 figure salaries... that's fucking nuts.

I don't get any handouts. I haven't even been unemployed for any extended period since 2001, and I promise you, I pay far more in than I have ever gotten out, so far.

No, guy, I'm a pragmatist. i realize that when 40% of the population has less than 1% of the wealth, they are probably going to overthrow the system at some point.

Now, here's the thing. I actually do find AOC's love of socialism a bit scary... It probably would wreck the Middle class lifestyle I have. But that said, when people are eating the shit sandwich, they probably aren't going to care who gets hurt.

So, a government that won't control spending and overspends by $1,000,000,000,000 is the Final Solution to the Capitalism problem?

Maybe Joe thinks all we need to do is print more money.

let's raise the minimum wage to raise more tax money.

It won't necessarily raise it. That can be proven.

how is that? the law of large numbers will work for us.

What are those numbers?

 

[danielpalos]

the difference between the current minimum wage and a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage times the number of participants in the market for labor.

fifteen dollars an pays more in income tax than our current minimum wages.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

My, my the repubs sure do fear her, not a week goes by that they don't try to trash her.. It's not working you old white robotic immoral lemmings in Congress of both parties..

I only fear the day when a delusional proto-Communist like her ever gets to inflict "her ideas" on us.

She's now surpassed Joe Biden as the dumbest person in DC, so she'll likely be Soros pick for democrat VP in 2020

 

[bodecea]

Dozens, probably hundreds of Democrat Reps have been waiting patiently to advance in the caucus and present their own ideas to leadership. You can bet they now understand what “usurpation” means. And they are pissed.

We all knew that there would be zero bipartisanship this Congress. We started the year with the government in a shutdown over border security. House Democrats retook the majority in 2018. They’re in no mood to play ball with the Trump White House. The fight is over a mere $5 billion for part of the border wall. Reportedly, Trump offered to re-open the government if he got some of the money. Democrats rejected it; they’re more concerned with scoring points. Yet, as the Democrats suit up for battle against the Trump presidency, their left flank could cause trouble as well. Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) was the first to come out swinging, saying that they’re going to impeach the mother**ker, referring to Trump. Democrats were supposedly livid that Tlaib blurted this out. For weeks, top Democrats went on air saying downplaying the impeachment talk, and this happened. Frankly, it’s very possible that Democrats were made with Tlaib because she blew the non-surprising revelation that liberals want to remove Trump from office. And now, they’re trying to rein in Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), who dropped a doozy, saying that it’s better to be morally right than factually correct. Well, good luck with that. She recently referenced Alan Moore’s Watchmen at the suggestion the party bigwigs are trying to tell her to tone it down.

“None of you understand. I'm not locked up in here with YOU. You're locked up in here with me,” she said on Twitter quoting the character Rorschach. Whatever you may think, she’s already shooting inside the ship. Folks, we may have the female version of Donald Trump (via Politico):

To quote Alan Moore: “None of you understand. I'm not locked up in here with YOU. You're locked up in here with ME.” ?? Cristobal Alex on Twitter— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) January 11, 2019

Reporting out this story was super fascinating. Some Ds are afraid of @AOC & her massive twitter following, 2 compared her twitter use Trump's. One member who likes her told me he wants to give her advice but he's worried she will mean-tweet at him. Rachael Bade on Twitter— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) January 11, 2019

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is already making enemies in the House Democratic Caucus — and some of its members are mounting an operation to bring the anti-establishment, democratic socialist with 2.2 million Twitter followers into the fold.

The effort, described by nearly 20 lawmakers and aides, is part carrot, part stick: Some lawmakers with ties to Ocasio-Cortez are hoping to coax her into using her star power to unite Democrats and turn her fire on Republicans. Others simultaneously warn Ocasio-Cortez is destined for a lonely, ineffectual career in Congress if she continues to treat her own party as the enemy.

“I’m sure Ms. Cortez means well, but there’s almost an outstanding rule: Don’t attack your own people,” said Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.). “We just don’t need sniping in our Democratic Caucus.”

Incumbent Democrats are most annoyed by Ocasio-Cortez’s threat to back primary opponents against members of their ranks she deems too moderate. But their frustration goes beyond that: Democratic leaders are upset that she railed against their new set of House rules on Twitter the first week of the new Congress. Rank and file are peeved that there’s a grassroots movement to try to win her a top committee post they feel she doesn’t deserve.

Even some progressives who admire AOC, as she’s nicknamed, told POLITICO that they worry she’s not using her notoriety effectively.

[…]

Two House Democratic sources compared her use of Twitter to Donald Trump’s. Just as congressional Republicans constantly withhold criticism of the president out of fear he’ll unleash a tweet at them, some Democrats have done the same with Ocasio-Cortez.

“People are afraid of her,” said one senior Democratic aide.

We shall see how this turns out, but the fear of mean tweets, the grassroots energy, and all-around “come at me, bro” attitude Ocasio-Cortez channels is very much like the man in the Oval Office. The exception being that Trump’s agenda is about growing the economy, creating jobs, and protecting the border; AOC’s agenda is economic death. She could flame out. She could become a total pariah on the Hill. Whatever the case, I’m hoping she continues to give her own side heartburn..for now.

(H/T NTK Network)

Got an AOC crush, I see.

 

[hadit]

the difference between the current minimum wage and a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage times the number of participants in the market for labor.

fifteen dollars an pays more in income tax than our current minimum wages.

And I showed you how much that costs. You're going to spend a LOT too get back a little. For this year, a single earner making $15/hr earns $31,200. After applying the standard deduction, that yields a taxable income of $19,000. That's in the 12% range, or $2280. What was your number of people who would get that again, 100 million? Multiply that out and you get $228 billion, and that's not even accounting for all the things that reduce taxable income even further. That's not a good return for spending $3 trillion. Tell us, do you actually ever look at the numbers before spouting off the way you do?

 

[danielpalos]

the difference between the current minimum wage and a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage times the number of participants in the market for labor.

fifteen dollars an pays more in income tax than our current minimum wages.

And I showed you how much that costs. You're going to spend a LOT too get back a little. For this year, a single earner making $15/hr earns $31,200. After applying the standard deduction, that yields a taxable income of $19,000. That's in the 12% range, or $2280. What was your number of people who would get that again, 100 million? Multiply that out and you get $228 billion, and that's not even accounting for all the things that reduce taxable income even further. That's not a good return for spending $3 trillion. Tell us, do you actually ever look at the numbers before spouting off the way you do?

You omit taxes like sales or consumer taxes that are incurred when simply circulating money. And, you omit the demand created by higher paid labor.

 

[Conservative65]

No, it says something about the greed of the one percent. You have CEO's who bankrupt their companies and STILL get 8 figure salaries... that's fucking nuts.

I don't get any handouts. I haven't even been unemployed for any extended period since 2001, and I promise you, I pay far more in than I have ever gotten out, so far.

No, guy, I'm a pragmatist. i realize that when 40% of the population has less than 1% of the wealth, they are probably going to overthrow the system at some point.

Now, here's the thing. I actually do find AOC's love of socialism a bit scary... It probably would wreck the Middle class lifestyle I have. But that said, when people are eating the shit sandwich, they probably aren't going to care who gets hurt.

So, a government that won't control spending and overspends by $1,000,000,000,000 is the Final Solution to the Capitalism problem?

Maybe Joe thinks all we need to do is print more money.

let's raise the minimum wage to raise more tax money.

It won't necessarily raise it. That can be proven.

how is that? the law of large numbers will work for us.

By the numbers. Someone making more (i.e. - higher minimum wage) that currently does not pay taxes on income doesn't mean they will automatically do so.

 

[Conservative65]

So, a government that won't control spending and overspends by $1,000,000,000,000 is the Final Solution to the Capitalism problem?

Maybe Joe thinks all we need to do is print more money.

let's raise the minimum wage to raise more tax money.

It won't necessarily raise it. That can be proven.

how is that? the law of large numbers will work for us.

What are those numbers?

daniel thinks someone making the current minimum wage that doesn't pay income taxes will automatically pay them if the minimum goes up. Maybe. Maybe not. A lot of factors that apply to that individual have more of a determination than an increase in the minimum wage.

 

[Andylusion]

You need a picture, apparently words don't work on you...

No, photoshop doesn't impress me. Most of the world is capitalist and just as shitty as Venezuela. Owning animals as pets is something Americans do, but the rest of the world, not so much.

Get back to me when you can have a grown up conversation.

You are lying trash, if you think most of the capitalist world is just as bad as Venezuela. We should ship your ignorant dumb butt to Venezuela, and see reality for what it is.

LOL...... the irony is walking turds like you, claim Trump lies...... You have Trump beat completely.

 

[hadit]

the difference between the current minimum wage and a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage times the number of participants in the market for labor.

fifteen dollars an pays more in income tax than our current minimum wages.

And I showed you how much that costs. You're going to spend a LOT too get back a little. For this year, a single earner making $15/hr earns $31,200. After applying the standard deduction, that yields a taxable income of $19,000. That's in the 12% range, or $2280. What was your number of people who would get that again, 100 million? Multiply that out and you get $228 billion, and that's not even accounting for all the things that reduce taxable income even further. That's not a good return for spending $3 trillion. Tell us, do you actually ever look at the numbers before spouting off the way you do?

You omit taxes like sales or consumer taxes that are incurred when simply circulating money. And, you omit the demand created by higher paid labor.

First, you specified income tax, so I did too.
Second, I gave you numbers to work with, so give us how much sales tax those workers will pay and how much demand will be created. You have a long way to go to reach $3 trillion.

 

[Andylusion]

I can't help it when I deal with a guy with a low 2 digit IQ!

funny, but you can't seem to hold up your end of a conversation.

I wasn't even endorsing socialism... i was just pointing out why these kids MIGHT be attracted to it, watching their parents work four jobs and being knee deep in student debt right out of the gate.

But that was clearly too complicated a conversation for your single digit IQ.

Then don't borrow to go to college. Then go to a cheaper college. Then work a job while going to college.

I did all three of those.

One of my friends from years back, went through college with a degree in education and chemistry.... got his degree with zero debt, and zero support from his family.

It get a little irritated when people live stupid, and then think we need to change the system, because they made dumb choices.

 

[The Purge]

 

[danielpalos]

So, a government that won't control spending and overspends by $1,000,000,000,000 is the Final Solution to the Capitalism problem?

Maybe Joe thinks all we need to do is print more money.

let's raise the minimum wage to raise more tax money.

It won't necessarily raise it. That can be proven.

how is that? the law of large numbers will work for us.

By the numbers. Someone making more (i.e. - higher minimum wage) that currently does not pay taxes on income doesn't mean they will automatically do so.

the difference is about three hundred dollars in income taxes alone.

a positive multiplier is to be expected.

 

[Conservative65]

Maybe Joe thinks all we need to do is print more money.

let's raise the minimum wage to raise more tax money.

It won't necessarily raise it. That can be proven.

how is that? the law of large numbers will work for us.

By the numbers. Someone making more (i.e. - higher minimum wage) that currently does not pay taxes on income doesn't mean they will automatically do so.

the difference is about three hundred dollars in income taxes alone.

a positive multiplier is to be expected.

If that's what you believe, it proves you know nothing about the numbers. There is no guarantee they will because someone not currently paying makes more.

 

[danielpalos]

the difference between the current minimum wage and a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage times the number of participants in the market for labor.

fifteen dollars an pays more in income tax than our current minimum wages.

And I showed you how much that costs. You're going to spend a LOT too get back a little. For this year, a single earner making $15/hr earns $31,200. After applying the standard deduction, that yields a taxable income of $19,000. That's in the 12% range, or $2280. What was your number of people who would get that again, 100 million? Multiply that out and you get $228 billion, and that's not even accounting for all the things that reduce taxable income even further. That's not a good return for spending $3 trillion. Tell us, do you actually ever look at the numbers before spouting off the way you do?

You omit taxes like sales or consumer taxes that are incurred when simply circulating money. And, you omit the demand created by higher paid labor.

First, you specified income tax, so I did too.
Second, I gave you numbers to work with, so give us how much sales tax those workers will pay and how much demand will be created. You have a long way to go to reach $3 trillion.

the poor tend to spend most of their sooner rather than later. three trillion in circulation must pay some taxes and create some demand.