Ocasio-Cortez To Dems Trying To Rein Her In: ‘I’m Not Locked Up In Here With You.

[JoeB131]

Debt...the easy answer for the student debt is NOT going to the indoctrination centers called college....most degrees are useless especially ones in economics from Harvard!

Okay, buddy, you try getting a good paying job these days without a college degree. No, truly, give it a try.

Now, I take my profession, which was purchasing before I started my consulting business. 25 years ago, when I first got into it, after getting out of the Army, you didn't need a college degree to get a job in a purchasing department. (I had one, which is the whole reason I joined the Army to start with).

When the last recession hit, there were two buyers who got let go the same time I did that had more experience than I did in Purchasing.... but they had a much harder time finding new gigs. because most of the jobs required a college degree.

Pretty much the Applicant Tracking Software kicked out their resumes before a human being even read them.

Last company I was with decided to up the ante by requiring not just a bachelor's degree, but a bachelors in Business or related field.

Now, I consider myself lucky. I got out of college with no college debt, again, thanks to the Army, and being a veteran gives me a huge advantage when being considered for jobs.

But if you are some kind who gets out of college to get an entry-level job with 50K in student debt and you have to eat Ramen noodles, you can probably see why Socialism doesn't seem all that evil to you.

 

[The Purge]

Debt...the easy answer for the student debt is NOT going to the indoctrination centers called college....most degrees are useless especially ones in economics from Harvard!

Okay, buddy, you try getting a good paying job these days without a college degree. No, truly, give it a try.

Now, I take my profession, which was purchasing before I started my consulting business. 25 years ago, when I first got into it, after getting out of the Army, you didn't need a college degree to get a job in a purchasing department. (I had one, which is the whole reason I joined the Army to start with).

When the last recession hit, there were two buyers who got let go the same time I did that had more experience than I did in Purchasing.... but they had a much harder time finding new gigs. because most of the jobs required a college degree.

Pretty much the Applicant Tracking Software kicked out their resumes before a human being even read them.

Last company I was with decided to up the ante by requiring not just a bachelor's degree, but a bachelors in Business or related field.

Now, I consider myself lucky. I got out of college with no college debt, again, thanks to the Army, and being a veteran gives me a huge advantage when being considered for jobs.

But if you are some kind who gets out of college to get an entry-level job with 50K in student debt and you have to eat Ramen noodles, you can probably see why Socialism doesn't seem all that evil to you.

You have any idea what a good TRADESMAN Zmakes today.....auto mechanic, plumber construction guy etc.....puts most college degree jobs to shame!

 

[JoeB131]

You have any idea what a good TRADESMAN Zmakes today.....auto mechanic, plumber construction guy etc.....puts most college degree jobs to shame!

Only because these very few trades STILL HAVE UNIONS - you know, a form of socialism. The One Percenters are trying to put an end to that. Unions in the private sector are less than 10% of the workforce.

So, um, yeah, the one place where you have a little socialism, it's still kind of nice for working people. You are kind of making the point.

 

[Conservative65]

If AOC is comparing herself to Rorschach, that's kind of scary.

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Here's the thing, she's a distraction, I guess, but not the main issue.

The biggest worry is that a lot of young people are embracing socialism, not because they understand it, but because they see what a shit sandwich "Capitalism" is for them and their parents.

If, as you say, they see capitalism as a shit sandwich, it's because they're the turds between the bread. With all the opportunities people have to be successful, if you're a failure, it's your fault. Stop blaming someone else because you couldn't make it.

 

[Conservative65]

You have any idea what a good TRADESMAN Zmakes today.....auto mechanic, plumber construction guy etc.....puts most college degree jobs to shame!

Only because these very few trades STILL HAVE UNIONS - you know, a form of socialism. The One Percenters are trying to put an end to that. Unions in the private sector are less than 10% of the workforce.

So, um, yeah, the one place where you have a little socialism, it's still kind of nice for working people. You are kind of making the point.

If you have to rely on a union to extort you a good wage, you and your skill set aren't worth hiring. Unions should be 0%.

 

[JoeB131]

If, as you say, they see capitalism as a shit sandwich, it's because they're the turds between the bread. With all the opportunities people have to be successful, if you're a failure, it's your fault. Stop blaming someone else because you couldn't make it.

Dude, I have probably accomplished more than you ever will... I know you are really proud you got promoted to Possum Catcher last year.

Again, the fact that people can't be as successful as past generations were is what got us Trump to start with. You can't say, "Make America Great Again" without pointing out that at some point, America stopped being great.

The problem with Trump is, he's blaming minorities for what rich people have done. And stupid people like you buy it... because you aren't very bright.

 

[Conservative65]

If, as you say, they see capitalism as a shit sandwich, it's because they're the turds between the bread. With all the opportunities people have to be successful, if you're a failure, it's your fault. Stop blaming someone else because you couldn't make it.

Dude, I have probably accomplished more than you ever will... I know you are really proud you got promoted to Possum Catcher last year.

Again, the fact that people can't be as successful as past generations were is what got us Trump to start with. You can't say, "Make America Great Again" without pointing out that at some point, America stopped being great.

The problem with Trump is, he's blaming minorities for what rich people have done. And stupid people like you buy it... because you aren't very bright.

You keep saying that yet you've provided nothing to support it. That you think you need a union proves you're aren't a success.

When over 40 million freeloaders are on food stamps and people support an economic system whereby someone else's hard work is the only way they can get things they should be providing themselves, you might call that great because you're one of those worthless amoebas. For those of us that take personal responsibility to the level it should be, we see your kind as expendable.

When your first, last, and only thought is to run to the government when someone that actually earned something has what you don't, that's not great. Why do you do that?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Math is hard !

3 branches of Congress

57 States

At this point, what difference does it make?

And they want a permanent One Party rule to inflict their ideas on us

What could possibly go wrong

 

[JoeB131]

You keep saying that yet you've provided nothing to support it. That you think you need a union proves you're aren't a success.

No, I need a union to protect me from awful bosses... we all do.

When over 40 million freeloaders are on food stamps and people support an economic system whereby someone else's hard work is the only way they can get things they should be providing themselves, you might call that great because you're one of those worthless amoebas.

Here's the problem with that. Most of those folks on food assistance are old people whose savings have run out and children. 40% of households getting SNAP benefits have at least one family member with a job. You are kind of making my point for me.

When your first, last, and only thought is to run to the government when someone that actually earned something has what you don't, that's not great. Why do you do that?

Because, usually, when someone has too much, it's because they ripped off the people who did the actual work.

But you enjoy your position as possum catcher.. tell yourself you are doing fine.

 

[Conservative65]

You keep saying that yet you've provided nothing to support it. That you think you need a union proves you're aren't a success.

No, I need a union to protect me from awful bosses... we all do.

When over 40 million freeloaders are on food stamps and people support an economic system whereby someone else's hard work is the only way they can get things they should be providing themselves, you might call that great because you're one of those worthless amoebas.

Here's the problem with that. Most of those folks on food assistance are old people whose savings have run out and children. 40% of households getting SNAP benefits have at least one family member with a job. You are kind of making my point for me.

When your first, last, and only thought is to run to the government when someone that actually earned something has what you don't, that's not great. Why do you do that?

Because, usually, when someone has too much, it's because they ripped off the people who did the actual work.

But you enjoy your position as possum catcher.. tell yourself you are doing fine.

That doesn't, by default mean it's someone else's responsibility to provide it.

If the job the person is working isn't providing enough, it says far more about that person's lack of skills than anything else.

I'm not the one begging the government to force someone else to provide for me. Tells me your claims that you're doing well means you believe the handouts you get were earned. Making claims that someone that is far more successful that you ever could be ripped someone off to do it prove you realize you'll never be anything but a failure and you're jealous of successful people.

 

[Conservative65]

You keep saying that yet you've provided nothing to support it. That you think you need a union proves you're aren't a success.

No, I need a union to protect me from awful bosses... we all do.

When over 40 million freeloaders are on food stamps and people support an economic system whereby someone else's hard work is the only way they can get things they should be providing themselves, you might call that great because you're one of those worthless amoebas.

Here's the problem with that. Most of those folks on food assistance are old people whose savings have run out and children. 40% of households getting SNAP benefits have at least one family member with a job. You are kind of making my point for me.

When your first, last, and only thought is to run to the government when someone that actually earned something has what you don't, that's not great. Why do you do that?

Because, usually, when someone has too much, it's because they ripped off the people who did the actual work.

But you enjoy your position as possum catcher.. tell yourself you are doing fine.

You sucking at what you do and your boss expecting you to do your job doesn't mean he is awful. It means he expects you to earn that minimum wage he's forced to pay despite your skills not even coming up to that level.

 

[JoeB131]

That doesn't, by default mean it's someone else's responsibility to provide it.

If the job the person is working isn't providing enough, it says far more about that person's lack of skills than anything else.

No, it says something about the greed of the one percent. You have CEO's who bankrupt their companies and STILL get 8 figure salaries... that's fucking nuts.

I'm not the one begging the government to force someone else to provide for me. Tells me your claims that you're doing well means you believe the handouts you get were earned.

I don't get any handouts. I haven't even been unemployed for any extended period since 2001, and I promise you, I pay far more in than I have ever gotten out, so far.

Making claims that someone that is far more successful that you ever could be ripped someone off to do it prove you realize you'll never be anything but a failure and you're jealous of successful people.

No, guy, I'm a pragmatist. i realize that when 40% of the population has less than 1% of the wealth, they are probably going to overthrow the system at some point.

Now, here's the thing. I actually do find AOC's love of socialism a bit scary... It probably would wreck the Middle class lifestyle I have. But that said, when people are eating the shit sandwich, they probably aren't going to care who gets hurt.

 

[JoeB131]

You sucking at what you do and your boss expecting you to do your job doesn't mean he is awful.

No, what makes him awful is I busted up my knee and he bent all the rules to get me off the payroll... that's what makes him awful. he also fired women who were pregnant, a girl who was taking care of her sick mother, and when the recession hit, about 10 people who had worked for the company for years.

And he wasn't even the worst person I ever had the bad luck to work for.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

That doesn't, by default mean it's someone else's responsibility to provide it.

If the job the person is working isn't providing enough, it says far more about that person's lack of skills than anything else.

No, it says something about the greed of the one percent. You have CEO's who bankrupt their companies and STILL get 8 figure salaries... that's fucking nuts.

I'm not the one begging the government to force someone else to provide for me. Tells me your claims that you're doing well means you believe the handouts you get were earned.

I don't get any handouts. I haven't even been unemployed for any extended period since 2001, and I promise you, I pay far more in than I have ever gotten out, so far.

Making claims that someone that is far more successful that you ever could be ripped someone off to do it prove you realize you'll never be anything but a failure and you're jealous of successful people.

No, guy, I'm a pragmatist. i realize that when 40% of the population has less than 1% of the wealth, they are probably going to overthrow the system at some point.

Now, here's the thing. I actually do find AOC's love of socialism a bit scary... It probably would wreck the Middle class lifestyle I have. But that said, when people are eating the shit sandwich, they probably aren't going to care who gets hurt.

So, a government that won't control spending and overspends by $1,000,000,000,000 is the Final Solution to the Capitalism problem?

 

[Conservative65]

That doesn't, by default mean it's someone else's responsibility to provide it.

If the job the person is working isn't providing enough, it says far more about that person's lack of skills than anything else.

No, it says something about the greed of the one percent. You have CEO's who bankrupt their companies and STILL get 8 figure salaries... that's fucking nuts.

I'm not the one begging the government to force someone else to provide for me. Tells me your claims that you're doing well means you believe the handouts you get were earned.

I don't get any handouts. I haven't even been unemployed for any extended period since 2001, and I promise you, I pay far more in than I have ever gotten out, so far.

Making claims that someone that is far more successful that you ever could be ripped someone off to do it prove you realize you'll never be anything but a failure and you're jealous of successful people.

No, guy, I'm a pragmatist. i realize that when 40% of the population has less than 1% of the wealth, they are probably going to overthrow the system at some point.

Now, here's the thing. I actually do find AOC's love of socialism a bit scary... It probably would wreck the Middle class lifestyle I have. But that said, when people are eating the shit sandwich, they probably aren't going to care who gets hurt.

You also claim you're doing better than me. I've yet to see anything supporting either claim. You keep making promises you refuse to support with proof. Do you have any or should we believe you because you said so?

If they won't get off their asses to better themselves, they damn sure won't make what would be a greater effort to overthrow anything. If those that constantly whine would spend 1/4 the time trying to better themselves as they do groaning, imagine where they'd be in life.

Those eating what you call a shit sandwich should be aware that those they try to "overthrow", to use your term, don't give a shit whether the turd eaters get hurt.

 

[Conservative65]

That doesn't, by default mean it's someone else's responsibility to provide it.

If the job the person is working isn't providing enough, it says far more about that person's lack of skills than anything else.

No, it says something about the greed of the one percent. You have CEO's who bankrupt their companies and STILL get 8 figure salaries... that's fucking nuts.

I'm not the one begging the government to force someone else to provide for me. Tells me your claims that you're doing well means you believe the handouts you get were earned.

I don't get any handouts. I haven't even been unemployed for any extended period since 2001, and I promise you, I pay far more in than I have ever gotten out, so far.

Making claims that someone that is far more successful that you ever could be ripped someone off to do it prove you realize you'll never be anything but a failure and you're jealous of successful people.

No, guy, I'm a pragmatist. i realize that when 40% of the population has less than 1% of the wealth, they are probably going to overthrow the system at some point.

Now, here's the thing. I actually do find AOC's love of socialism a bit scary... It probably would wreck the Middle class lifestyle I have. But that said, when people are eating the shit sandwich, they probably aren't going to care who gets hurt.

So, a government that won't control spending and overspends by $1,000,000,000,000 is the Final Solution to the Capitalism problem?

Maybe Joe thinks all we need to do is print more money.

 

[JoeB131]

So, a government that won't control spending and overspends by $1,000,000,000,000 is the Final Solution to the Capitalism problem?

Except it wasn't overspending by a Trillion until Trump gave a tax cut to billionaires and corporations.

We don't have as spending problem. We have a taxing problem.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So, a government that won't control spending and overspends by $1,000,000,000,000 is the Final Solution to the Capitalism problem?

Except it wasn't overspending by a Trillion until Trump gave a tax cut to billionaires and corporations.

We don't have as spending problem. We have a taxing problem.

Slept through Obama's $10 Trillion in debt, did we?

 

[JoeB131]

You also claim you're doing better than me. I've yet to see anything supporting either claim. You keep making promises you refuse to support with proof. Do you have any or should we believe you because you said so?

I know i am.. that's all I need to know. Bigots never do well in life.

If they won't get off their asses to better themselves, they damn sure won't make what would be a greater effort to overthrow anything. If those that constantly whine would spend 1/4 the time trying to better themselves as they do groaning, imagine where they'd be in life.

Yeah, you keep telling yourself that. History kind of proves you wrong. I know this information has been deviously hidden from you in things called "Books".

Those eating what you call a shit sandwich should be aware that those they try to "overthrow", to use your term, don't give a shit whether the turd eaters get hurt.

I'm sure they don't, and that's the problem. The thing is, the people who are most angry are the Trump supporters who live in trailer parks and think they are better off just because they are white.

You know, kind of like you.

 

[Conservative65]

You sucking at what you do and your boss expecting you to do your job doesn't mean he is awful.

No, what makes him awful is I busted up my knee and he bent all the rules to get me off the payroll... that's what makes him awful. he also fired women who were pregnant, a girl who was taking care of her sick mother, and when the recession hit, about 10 people who had worked for the company for years.

And he wasn't even the worst person I ever had the bad luck to work for.

If you couldn't do your job, you should have been gone.

If, as you claim, he fired someone for being pregnant, let her sue. I suspect she was a poor employee like you and uses that as an excuse.

It's not an employer's responsibility to accommodate you for a personal situation.

Recessions cause people to be let go. That's a business decision not a personal one.