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No, i agree... no one has the right to tell anyone what they talk about in their homes.
However as a neighbor......I have the right to complain about the nuisance what you are doing in terms of impacting the streets and neighborhood. Also if there is a stranding ordinance for a permit of regular meetings ....they pay up and shut up.
The problem is the permit actually only applies to some people, not everyone.
yeah... it does not apply to people having regular meetings of 3 or more people.
There are other laws on the books that apply to operating a business in a neighborhood as well.The problem is the permit actually only applies to some people, not everyone.
yeah... it does not apply to people having regular meetings of 3 or more people.
It only applies to people having religious, fraternal, or non profit meetings. If you have a book club meeting every week with 100 guests it does not need a permit. That makes the permit unconstitutional.
No one is telling them what they can or cant worship....or what religion they can and cannot practice... hell worship this for all i care.... church of the oil drip lamp.
What they ARE saying.... if you have 3 or more people on a regular basis for an organized meeting ..... get a permit.
No one is telling them what they can or cant worship....or what religion they can and cannot practice... hell worship this for all i care.... church of the oil drip lamp.
What they ARE saying.... if you have 3 or more people on a regular basis for an organized meeting ..... get a permit.
What they are saying IS;
{City officials in San Juan Capistrano, Calif. say Chuck and Stephanie Fromm are in violation of municipal code 9-3.301, which prohibits religious, fraternal or non-profit organizations in residential neighborhoods without a permit}
This is a flagrant and direct violation of the 1st amendment of the United States Constitution.
So where is the ACLU?
The Fromms citations say they violated section 9-3.301 of the Capistrano Municipal Code, which prohibits religious, fraternal or non-profit organizations in residential neighborhoods without a conditional-use permit. The footnote on the section says it Includes churches, temples, synagogues, monasteries, religious retreats, and other places of religious worship and other fraternal and community service organizations.
Capistranos code-enforcement department is reactive, meaning officers only respond to complaints. Stephanie Fromm said most residents in the neighborhood, off Rancho Viejo Road north of Junipero Serra Road, are supportive of them, although at least one neighbor has voiced concerns.
We dont like lawsuits, but we have to stand up for whats right. Its not just a personal issue, Stephanie Fromm said. Can you imagine anybody in any neighborhood, that one person can call and make it a living hell for someone else? Thats wrong and its just sad.
The Capistrano Dispatch - Capistrano Couple in Legal Battle for Hosting Bible Study in Home
I was right, entitlement junkies. She cares about her rights but not her neighbor's rights. You choose to live in a community, then act like your better than everyone else.
I bet even Jesus would tell her to stfu.
OC Couple Threatened With $500-Per-Meeting Fines For Home Bible Study
MISSION VIEJO (CBS) An Orange County couple has been ordered to stop holding a Bible study in their home on the grounds that the meeting violates a city ordinance as a church and not as a private gathering.
Homeowners Chuck and Stephanie Fromm, of San Juan Capistrano, were fined $300 earlier this month for holding what city officials called a regular gathering of more than three people.
That type of meeting would require a conditional use permit as defined by the city, according to Pacific Justice Institute (PJI), the couples legal representation.
The Fromms also reportedly face subsequent fines of $500 per meeting for any further religious gatherings in their home, according to PJI.
Were just gathering and enjoying each others company and fellowship. And we enjoy studying Gods word. Stephanie Fromm told CBS2.
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Neighbors have written letters to the city in support of the Fromms, whom they said have not caused any disturbances with the meetings, according to PJI.
The Fromm case further involves regular meetings on Sunday mornings and Thursday afternoons with up to 50 people, with impacts on the residential neighborhood on street access and parking, City Attorney Omar Sandoval said.
Selective enforcement, perhaps?
OC Couple Threatened With $500-Per-Meeting Fines For Home Bible Study
MISSION VIEJO (CBS) An Orange County couple has been ordered to stop holding a Bible study in their home on the grounds that the meeting violates a city ordinance as a church and not as a private gathering.
Homeowners Chuck and Stephanie Fromm, of San Juan Capistrano, were fined $300 earlier this month for holding what city officials called a regular gathering of more than three people.
That type of meeting would require a conditional use permit as defined by the city, according to Pacific Justice Institute (PJI), the couples legal representation.
The Fromms also reportedly face subsequent fines of $500 per meeting for any further religious gatherings in their home, according to PJI.
Were just gathering and enjoying each others company and fellowship. And we enjoy studying Gods word. Stephanie Fromm told CBS2.
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Neighbors have written letters to the city in support of the Fromms, whom they said have not caused any disturbances with the meetings, according to PJI.
The Fromm case further involves regular meetings on Sunday mornings and Thursday afternoons with up to 50 people, with impacts on the residential neighborhood on street access and parking, City Attorney Omar Sandoval said.
Selective enforcement, perhaps?
I can not imagine that the same would be happened to Muslims who wanted to study their Quran. Leftists are getting more and more audacious, the war against Christians is ongoing.
Right.
Read.
Where am i missing the point of they cant exercise their firs amendment rights?
Get a permit
or move your meetings OUT of the residential area.
There are other laws on the books that apply to operating a business in a neighborhood as well.yeah... it does not apply to people having regular meetings of 3 or more people.
It only applies to people having religious, fraternal, or non profit meetings. If you have a book club meeting every week with 100 guests it does not need a permit. That makes the permit unconstitutional.
You are so unbelievably dense sometimes.
A neighborhood is a neighborhood it is not a public gathering space and has different rules and regulations.
I said other, dummy.There are other laws on the books that apply to operating a business in a neighborhood as well.It only applies to people having religious, fraternal, or non profit meetings. If you have a book club meeting every week with 100 guests it does not need a permit. That makes the permit unconstitutional.
You are so unbelievably dense sometimes.
A neighborhood is a neighborhood it is not a public gathering space and has different rules and regulations.
Book clubs are not businesses. Want to try again?
I said other, dummy.There are other laws on the books that apply to operating a business in a neighborhood as well.
You are so unbelievably dense sometimes.
A neighborhood is a neighborhood it is not a public gathering space and has different rules and regulations.
Book clubs are not businesses. Want to try again?
A book club that disrupts the peace and quite and traffic patterns of the neighbors is something that the neighbors have every right not to allow. Or to allow. It's really the choice of the entire neighborhood, not this one woman.
Because the permit hinges on getting the approval of the neighbors.I said other, dummy.Book clubs are not businesses. Want to try again?
A book club that disrupts the peace and quite and traffic patterns of the neighbors is something that the neighbors have every right not to allow. Or to allow. It's really the choice of the entire neighborhood, not this one woman.
If the book club gets noisy they can complain about the noise. If they block the traffic the police can make them move the cars. If they park illegally the cars can be towed. All legal solutions to the problems you site.
Tell me something, how will a permit solve any of the problems you keep talking about?
Because the permit hinges on getting the approval of the neighbors.I said other, dummy.
A book club that disrupts the peace and quite and traffic patterns of the neighbors is something that the neighbors have every right not to allow. Or to allow. It's really the choice of the entire neighborhood, not this one woman.
If the book club gets noisy they can complain about the noise. If they block the traffic the police can make them move the cars. If they park illegally the cars can be towed. All legal solutions to the problems you site.
Tell me something, how will a permit solve any of the problems you keep talking about?
Busy streets are disturbing in quiet neighborhoods even if all other factors are solved.
Because the permit hinges on getting the approval of the neighbors.I said other, dummy.
A book club that disrupts the peace and quite and traffic patterns of the neighbors is something that the neighbors have every right not to allow. Or to allow. It's really the choice of the entire neighborhood, not this one woman.
If the book club gets noisy they can complain about the noise. If they block the traffic the police can make them move the cars. If they park illegally the cars can be towed. All legal solutions to the problems you site.
Tell me something, how will a permit solve any of the problems you keep talking about?
Busy streets are disturbing in quiet neighborhoods even if all other factors are solved.
Because the permit hinges on getting the approval of the neighbors.I said other, dummy.
A book club that disrupts the peace and quite and traffic patterns of the neighbors is something that the neighbors have every right not to allow. Or to allow. It's really the choice of the entire neighborhood, not this one woman.
If the book club gets noisy they can complain about the noise. If they block the traffic the police can make them move the cars. If they park illegally the cars can be towed. All legal solutions to the problems you site.
Tell me something, how will a permit solve any of the problems you keep talking about?
Busy streets are disturbing in quiet neighborhoods even if all other factors are solved.
