Obama's War on Coal Country Families

[Windship]

Ah, but COOPS are socialistic by their very nature. You who participate in them surely understood that so why all the whinging about the costs you brought on yourselves? Oh, that's right! Liberals lie, even to themselves, about the cost of their cockamamie ideas and try to blame the thoroughly predictable expensive results on others. Are you absolutely SURE you can't find some way to blame Booooooshhhhh?

Well...
...remember the meeting chenney had with the oil co's. behind closed doors with no reporting and no minutes taken??...
...and then, less than a week later, the prices of oil, diesel and gas went through the roof? Huh? What do you think they talked about?

 

[Mr. H.]

Ah, but COOPS are socialistic by their very nature. You who participate in them surely understood that so why all the whinging about the costs you brought on yourselves? Oh, that's right! Liberals lie, even to themselves, about the cost of their cockamamie ideas and try to blame the thoroughly predictable expensive results on others. Are you absolutely SURE you can't find some way to blame Booooooshhhhh?

Well...
...remember the meeting chenney had with the oil co's. behind closed doors with no reporting and no minutes taken??...
...and then, less than a week later, the prices of oil, diesel and gas went through the roof? Huh? What do you think they talked about?

 

[bripat9643]

Were the coal industry forced to pay for the environmental damage they do, it would not be a cheap power source. Were they forced to pay for the medical costs of the air pollution and harm to people's health, it would not be a cheap source of power. In fact, when you look at the cost of 'clean coal', solar and wind are a bargain.

Can you document any medical costs from coal pollution whatsoever? Can you produce a single diagnoses that says "problem caused by coal pollution?"

So called "clean coal" is a joke. Coal is already clean. CO2 is not pollution.

Co2 is not pollution? Ever heard of "the greenhouse effect"?

Yes I have. It's a hoax.

 

[bripat9643]

Were the coal industry forced to pay for the environmental damage they do, it would not be a cheap power source. Were they forced to pay for the medical costs of the air pollution and harm to people's health, it would not be a cheap source of power. In fact, when you look at the cost of 'clean coal', solar and wind are a bargain.

Can you document any medical costs from coal pollution whatsoever? Can you produce a single diagnoses that says "problem caused by coal pollution?"

So called "clean coal" is a joke. Coal is already clean. CO2 is not pollution.

Jesus Christ! Are you serious? Ummm....black lung??....maybe? For 1.
Are you saying that no miners ever had respiratory problems and that coal smoke and particles are a fictitious left wing lie? Have you ever handled coal or burned it? Wow. Coal clean? Lmao

By the term "coal pollution," I meant from the burning of coal. Black lung is a disease that is entirely peculiar to coal miners who smoke. Miners who don't smoke don't get it, so it's really just a symptom of smoking.

No doctor has ever signed a death certificate that says "death by coal pollution." None have ever even signed a diagnoses for a medical problem that list coal pollution as the cause.

 

[OnePercenter]

Using coal ash in foundations is no problem at all.

Pay particular attention to coal ash when mixed with water.

http://www.psr.org/assets/pdfs/coal-ash-hazardous-to-human-health.pdf

 

[OnePercenter]

By the term "coal pollution," I meant from the burning of coal. Black lung is a disease that is entirely peculiar to coal miners who smoke. Miners who don't smoke don't get it, so it's really just a symptom of smoking.

No doctor has ever signed a death certificate that says "death by coal pollution." None have ever even signed a diagnoses for a medical problem that list coal pollution as the cause.

Please post ANY evidence that Pneumoconiosis only effects smokers.

 

[bripat9643]

Using coal ash in foundations is no problem at all.

Pay particular attention to coal ash when mixed with water.

http://www.psr.org/assets/pdfs/coal-ash-hazardous-to-human-health.pdf

When it's used in foundations it's incorporated with concrete. That makes it inert.

 

[OnePercenter]

Using coal ash in foundations is no problem at all.

Pay particular attention to coal ash when mixed with water.

http://www.psr.org/assets/pdfs/coal-ash-hazardous-to-human-health.pdf

When it's used in foundations it's incorporated with concrete. That makes it inert.

You want arsenic, lead, mercury, cadmium, chromium and selenium, as well as aluminum, antimony,
barium, beryllium, boron, chlorine, cobalt, manganese, molybdenum, nickel, thallium, vanadium, and
zinc in the foundation of your house?

I think you're getting fly ash confused with coal ash.

 

[bripat9643]

Using coal ash in foundations is no problem at all.

Pay particular attention to coal ash when mixed with water.

http://www.psr.org/assets/pdfs/coal-ash-hazardous-to-human-health.pdf

When it's used in foundations it's incorporated with concrete. That makes it inert.

You want arsenic, lead, mercury, cadmium, chromium and selenium, as well as aluminum, antimony,
barium, beryllium, boron, chlorine, cobalt, manganese, molybdenum, nickel, thallium, vanadium, and
zinc in the foundation of your house?

I think you're getting fly ash confused with coal ash.

Nope. Do you lick the foundation of your house? If not, then what is there to worry about?

 

[Abishai100]

The Diamond Thief: Eco-RV


Coal is a great asset and we know that diamonds are made from pressurized coals. The international diamond trade is already filled with intrigue. We need a way to correlate mineral/energy use with society perspectives on human instincts.

The great writer Aldous Huxley wrote that when we look at something shiny, we think of high-minded concepts of the elusive and the desirable. Such instincts form society's valuation of precious and shimmering minerals such as gold.

Clean coal technologies have come a long way and have provided social critics ways of talking about the neat connection between prosperity and prudence.

The New American Gothic : "The diamond thief Adam poises himself to lure a group of unscrupulous Sierra Leone coal-diamond black market processors into a nifty trap. Adam will hoist the processed diamonds out of the area and carry them to Europe and sell them to a network agent. Adam ponders how these diamonds remind him of the modern age civilization blueprints of so-called 'clean-coal technologies.' Could Adam's diamonds stimulate some real talk about mineral magic?"






Coal Region History Chronicles Miner Folklore And Superstitions ...And Pay Scales For Luke Fiddler Colliery 1877

 

[KissMy]

"Enhanced Oil Recovery" created a major demand for Carbon Dioxide from Coal Power Plants. Coal fired power plants are SELLING CO2 to Oil Producers. Coal plants are gaining more revenue streams by capturing & selling CO2.

There is no war on Coal. Natural Gas is cheaper than coal & that competition is cutting coal fired energy demand.

 

[bripat9643]

"Enhanced Oil Recovery" created a major demand for Carbon Dioxide from Coal Power Plants. Coal fired power plants are SELLING CO2 to Oil Producers. Coal plants are gaining more revenue streams by capturing & selling CO2.

There is no war on Coal. Natural Gas is cheaper than coal & that competition is cutting coal fired energy demand.

You don't shut down a perfectly good coal plant in good working order and throw a multi-billion dollar investment into the waste bin because natural gas is a little bit cheaper. That only happened because the EPA's new draconian regulations required them to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to keep them in compliance. Natural gas is cheaper only because of these ridiculous regulations that won't improve the health of a single person.

Every time an environmental nut job opens his mouth nothing but lies comes out.

 

[Old Rocks]

Heard the same crock of shit concerning lead in the gasoline, asbestos, and the crud that was coming out of the smokestacks of the coal fired plants before the scrubbers. Time to close down all the coal fired plants as soon as there capacity can be replaced by renewables. Whether nuke, solar, wind, or hydro.

 

[KissMy]

"Enhanced Oil Recovery" created a major demand for Carbon Dioxide from Coal Power Plants. Coal fired power plants are SELLING CO2 to Oil Producers. Coal plants are gaining more revenue streams by capturing & selling CO2.

There is no war on Coal. Natural Gas is cheaper than coal & that competition is cutting coal fired energy demand.

You don't shut down a perfectly good coal plant in good working order and throw a multi-billion dollar investment into the waste bin because natural gas is a little bit cheaper. That only happened because the EPA's new draconian regulations required them to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to keep them in compliance. Natural gas is cheaper only because of these ridiculous regulations that won't improve the health of a single person.

Every time an environmental nut job opens his mouth nothing but lies comes out.

It may cost $1 billion over the 30 year lifetime for a coal plant to capture it's CO2, but that same CO2 is sent to EOR & produces more than $2 billion extra oil profits for EOR oil companies. The EOR companies are effectively being subsidized by the Coal companies thus harming Coal. The EOR oil companies need to be made to pay more to the Coal companies for the CO2!

 

[bripat9643]

"Enhanced Oil Recovery" created a major demand for Carbon Dioxide from Coal Power Plants. Coal fired power plants are SELLING CO2 to Oil Producers. Coal plants are gaining more revenue streams by capturing & selling CO2.

There is no war on Coal. Natural Gas is cheaper than coal & that competition is cutting coal fired energy demand.

You don't shut down a perfectly good coal plant in good working order and throw a multi-billion dollar investment into the waste bin because natural gas is a little bit cheaper. That only happened because the EPA's new draconian regulations required them to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to keep them in compliance. Natural gas is cheaper only because of these ridiculous regulations that won't improve the health of a single person.

Every time an environmental nut job opens his mouth nothing but lies comes out.

It may cost $1 billion over the 30 year lifetime for a coal plant to capture it's CO2, but that same CO2 is sent to EOR & produces more than $2 billion extra oil profits for EOR oil companies. The EOR companies are effectively being subsidized by the Coal companies thus harming Coal. The EOR oil companies need to be made to pay more to the Coal companies for the CO2!

What the hell is an EOR company?

If there's a market for CO2, then the coal companies would sell it, not give it away for free. No one is subsidizing anyone.

I think you just made up your numbers out of thin air. Currently there are very few coal fired power plants that capture their CO2.

I've heard estimates that Obama's new climate change regulations will impose a cost of $250 million to $400 million on each coal fired power plant in the country. Yeah, that should drive down the price of electricity.

 

[bripat9643]

Heard the same crock of shit concerning lead in the gasoline, asbestos, and the crud that was coming out of the smokestacks of the coal fired plants before the scrubbers. Time to close down all the coal fired plants as soon as there capacity can be replaced by renewables. Whether nuke, solar, wind, or hydro.

What shit, that it would increase the cost of things? It wasn't shit. It did drive up the cost. Furthermore, when Tretra Ethyl Lead was outlawed, Detroit had to lower the compression ratios in their engines, which meant lower performance and lower gas mileage. Getting rid of asbestos cost our economy hundreds of billions of dollars. Furthermore, it turned out that it was safer to leave asbestos in buildings than remove it because the process sent asbestos flying everywhere.

The bottom line is that Obama's regulations will double or triple the price of electricity in this country. Just look to Germany and look at the price of electricity there.

 

[ScienceRocks]

What are you doing to stop him?

 

[bripat9643]

What are you doing to stop him?

I donate plenty of money to the right candidates, for one thing.

 

[Old Rocks]

Heard the same crock of shit concerning lead in the gasoline, asbestos, and the crud that was coming out of the smokestacks of the coal fired plants before the scrubbers. Time to close down all the coal fired plants as soon as there capacity can be replaced by renewables. Whether nuke, solar, wind, or hydro.

What shit, that it would increase the cost of things? It wasn't shit. It did drive up the cost. Furthermore, when Tretra Ethyl Lead was outlawed, Detroit had to lower the compression ratios in their engines, which meant lower performance and lower gas mileage. Getting rid of asbestos cost our economy hundreds of billions of dollars. Furthermore, it turned out that it was safer to leave asbestos in buildings than remove it because the process sent asbestos flying everywhere.

The bottom line is that Obama's regulations will double or triple the price of electricity in this country. Just look to Germany and look at the price of electricity there.

Really? Yes, Detroit did that. But in Europe they used the computer controlled fuel injection for the engines that was developed by Bendix of the USA and raised the gas mileage and power. Also increased the longevity of the engines. Now every body uses computer controlled fuel injection, the engines are much small, much more powerful, and get far better mileage on unleaded gasoline. And there is far less lead in the air we breathe. And when we shut down the last coal fired generator, the nation will be better off, with less costly electricity, and much better air to breathe.

 

[Old Rocks]

What are you doing to stop him?

I donate plenty of money to the right candidates, for one thing.

Good, I love to see fools throwing their money away.