Obamacare Mess!

[Disir]

Amazing that ANY American believes our totally corrupt fed gov could effectively reform HC.

One has to be really stupid to believe such foolishness.

One has to be really stupid to believe that it was working out prior to Obamacare.

 

[gipper]

Amazing that ANY American believes our totally corrupt fed gov could effectively reform HC.

One has to be really stupid to believe such foolishness.

One has to be really stupid to believe that it was working out prior to Obamacare.

It was not working before, we can agree on that.

Now it is much worse, but you and your kind are fine with it, because your guy did the damage.

Now that is really stupid.

 

[Disir]

Amazing that ANY American believes our totally corrupt fed gov could effectively reform HC.

One has to be really stupid to believe such foolishness.

One has to be really stupid to believe that it was working out prior to Obamacare.

It was not working before, we can agree on that.

Now it is much worse, but you and your kind are fine with it, because your guy did the damage.

Now that is really stupid.

No, what is stupid is that I have to reiterate on a continuous basis is that I am not a democrat.

Secondly, what you want me to do is to pat you guys on the back and have a knipshit to prove this for you or against you shit. We can all sit and kick rocks together. Blow me, I'll grow one for you and your kind.

The states were able to create their own plan. So, do we look at what those fine upstanding folks have done? Do we discuss better options? Do we discuss what what leads to the increase in prices? Do we discuss ..............why the hell insurance companies are allowed at all?

Noooooooooooooo.

You have a passive-aggressive freak that insists that it isn't really about any of the above but about ideology. You have an OP that screwed it's own credibility by carrying a lie so far it hung itself. You have a chap that cannot manage to take a stance if you do not fall into his definition of what your stance ought to be. So, he will redefine it for you. Whatever it takes for him to get the meme out. Spare me the bullshit.

 

[RKMBrown]

What is this Eagle: An illegal immigrant's hospital bill is written off as "charity". American citizens can lose their homes over high medical bills, illegal immigrants are paying for their homes outright. They can well afford to as they pay no taxes! Where is the outrage!!!!!!!!!!!

Huh? What is that?

What is this Eagle: Medical Assistance was not created to be a way of life!

Huh? What is that?

I would like a show of hands of people who have one insurance card that is combined as a prescription card? I would like a show of hands of the number of people who run their insurance cards like a debit card every time you go to a doctor's office. She's full of shit. Doctor's aren't not getting the machines because she is lying through her teeth.

Oh, you don't know about that? You should. Your daughter was taken to the doctor's office remember all of that?

The deductible is high. I acknowledged that in post number 45. The rest of your posts I have no reason to believe. I think you are just stringing that along. There is zero reason to believe that you are telling the truth about anything else.

The bitch of it? I'm not even happy with Obamacare. I told you that before. But, you got nothing. Had nothing before it. Have no damn reason to get off your ass to find another solution.

BS

I was at work when my daughter went to the Doc. My Wife took her because she was going as well with a sinus infection. They make sure to take the card...........as far as an atm............don't know because I didn't see that..........It's possible they have a machine and I'm going to google at little for it.

At the hospital pharmacy, they entered the data into the computer. Typed it. and then filled the prescription for my wife and I paid the bill.

About the illegal situation............For a long time they have gotten benefits by being in America. Which means they go to the hospital needing assistance they get it..........just as anybody else does in this country.....long before Obama was on any stage at all.

To the truth........issue...........I simply don't care if you believe me or not. I saw the OP and saw that she was in medical billing so I thought I'd engage.

The data I posted..........specify the site data and specifics and prove them a Lie.............I've seen you agree that the plans are high deducts............and I pointed out how are the poor gonna pay them when the bell tolls.............As the surgery with my wife wasn't gonna happen without $6,000 up front.....................

Is that a Lie................how would you even know............but if you know the law you know that's under the max per person deduct from Bronze and Silver.

Here..............then maybe...........this......will............help..............you.........out.

I....have the same...........issues.........with the insurance..........that you have.......

Again.............you have offered no fucking alternative. None.


In order to acquire a charity from a hospital you have to qualify for it. You don't choose. They choose. You have to hunt down the information, and find a form and apply. I asked these questions when I was trying to figure out how the hell the hospitals get around paying property taxes.

Still doesn't address hospital mergers or the insurance companies themselves.

So..........sorry about your little situation...............but, you............don't have............any viable solutions.

Let............me..........make..........this .............clear...............I...........had..............Insurance.........before.........obamacare............but..........got...........priced.......out.............of.............it...............by.............obamacare...............that.............option............was......................gone..............because.............the...........rate.............went............through............the...........roof...............

Little situation I have makes your position suck............as you defend something that damaged a lot of people...............and some of the solutions offered by the GOP would have lowered my insurance at work with tax credits TO ALL GROUPS............and increasing funding for high risk pools.............It would have allowed or smaller company to POOL with other companies giving us bargaining power for lower rates...........

That would have lowered my insurance via tax credits..........and allowed us to negotiate better rates................This was on the table during the debate.

But that's what people like Dis want... burn the country to the ground they don't give a shit as long as they get their marxism. No tax bill is too small for everyone else to fund their entitlements just as long as they get it free... screw everyone else.

As long as they get their Marxism..........you really aren't that bright.

Oh I'm plenty bright. Brighter than 99.999%

Not my fault you don't understand what ACA is about.

Marxism - the political, economic, and social principles and policies advocated by Marx; especially: a theory and practice of socialism including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society.

 

[RKMBrown]

Amazing that ANY American believes our totally corrupt fed gov could effectively reform HC.

One has to be really stupid to believe such foolishness.

One has to be really stupid to believe that it was working out prior to Obamacare.

Other than government run medicaid, and government run medicare, and government run veterans health care, and government mismanagement of insurance companies, and government mandates on hospitals to provide free care to illegals and people who don't want to pay and charge paying customers extra to cover those costs... what was wrong with our HC?

 

[emilynghiem]

Amazing that ANY American believes our totally corrupt fed gov could effectively reform HC.

One has to be really stupid to believe such foolishness.

One has to be really stupid to believe that it was working out prior to Obamacare.

Other than government run medicaid, and government run medicare, and government run veterans health care, and government mismanagement of insurance companies, and government mandates on hospitals to provide free care to illegals and people who don't want to pay and charge paying customers extra to cover those costs... what was wrong with our HC?

I think it was set up to fail by Republicans who never wanted govt involved in socialized health care.
So the solution is to do more of it.
And then keep blaming in on Republicans for making it fail.

 

[Disir]

Amazing that ANY American believes our totally corrupt fed gov could effectively reform HC.

One has to be really stupid to believe such foolishness.

One has to be really stupid to believe that it was working out prior to Obamacare.

Other than government run medicaid, and government run medicare, and government run veterans health care, and government mismanagement of insurance companies, and government mandates on hospitals to provide free care to illegals and people who don't want to pay and charge paying customers extra to cover those costs... what was wrong with our HC?

Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement
W A S H I N G T O N, Dec. 14
Michael J. Sniffen


The Healthcare Company-HCA, the nation’s largest for-profit hospital chain, agreed today to plead guilty to defrauding government health-care programs and will pay more than $840 million in criminal fines, civil penalties and damages.

The agreement reached after a seven-year federal investigation triggered by private whistleblowers is the largest government fraud settlement ever negotiated by the Justice Department.

The company agreed to cooperate with a continuing investigation that Attorney General Janet Reno said could still produce criminal charges against individuals in what Deputy Assistant FBI Director Thomas Kubic called “one of the FBI’s highest priority white-collar crime investigations.”

The agreement did not settle civil allegations that HCA unlawfully charged the government for the costs of running its hospitals and that it paid kickbacks to doctors so they would refer Medicare and Medicaid patients to its facilities.

The two HCA units that pleaded guilty — Columbia Homecare Group Inc. and Columbia Management Companies Inc. — agreed to pay more than $95 million in criminal fines and were barred from further participation in federal health-care programs.

Separately, HCA agreed to pay $745 million in civil penalties for its alleged false billing practices — a figure negotiated last spring but not finalized until the criminal settlement was announced today.

Reno: Fraud Hurts

“Health care fraud impacts every American citizen,” Reno told a news conference. “If you overbill the U.S. taxpayer, then we are going to make you pay it back and then some.”

She said it was the largest health-care fraud investigation in history, involving 30 U.S. attorney’s offices, 22 FBI field offices, inspectors general from the Health and Human Service Department and the Office of Personnel Management, Defense Department investigators and state fraud units.

HCA co-founder and chief executive Thomas Frist Jr., the brother of U.S. Sen. Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said from the company’s Nashville headquarters: “Today’s action represents one of the last steps needed to put the Columbia investigation behind us and allows us to move forward, maintaining our focus on providing quality patient care.”

Frist ousted Richard L. Scott as chief executive in July 1997 and began a restructuring of the company. HCA got out of the home health-care business and sold or consolidated more than 100 hospitals. The chain currently has about 200 hospitals.
Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement - ABC News

The above is for-profit from 2001

89 Of U.s. Hospitals Found Double-billing For Inpatient Care The Justice Department Has Demanded Refunds To Medicare And Patients. At Issue Are Tests Given During The 72 Hours Before Admission. - Philly.com

CLINIC STING NETS 18 Russian mob in 3M insurance scam feds say - NY Daily News

Hospice Patients Alliance - hospice fraud hospice scams and how to avoid them

This is just the level of fraud before. Note that when healthcare started moving towards for profit that the investors came before patients. Still do. But, those for profit hospitals and medical care could police their own, amiright? Profit over people. Choosing your own doctor? Lost that with the health care reform in the 90s. It's called managed care. HPOs, PPOs, POS.

Lobbied for by...........ding ding ding.......the insurance companies.


So, 95% of people had insurance through the workforce in 1978 and that declined to 14% by 1998. Lower income people couldn't get access to it. People were deliberately cut off at 35 hours so that they couldn't acquire the crap ass insurance that was carried. Two jobs and sometimes three jobs were necessary to make ends meet. This of course put them over the line to qualify for aid or even the sliding scale fee. So, it cost $80 to walk into the door of a clinic. Could not get testing or pay for a prescription.

Side note: What is really fun is listening to people recognize the ability to negotiate with larger groups of people and then trash unions. Hi-larious. Fun stuff.

And watch out for what's next. Kids not able to get that testing? Watch them shut down satellite offices for clinics in the health departments and send the nurses out to the school. They won't bat an eye. You won't either.

Would you like to learn about medicaid divorces?

 

[RKMBrown]

Amazing that ANY American believes our totally corrupt fed gov could effectively reform HC.

One has to be really stupid to believe such foolishness.

One has to be really stupid to believe that it was working out prior to Obamacare.

Other than government run medicaid, and government run medicare, and government run veterans health care, and government mismanagement of insurance companies, and government mandates on hospitals to provide free care to illegals and people who don't want to pay and charge paying customers extra to cover those costs... what was wrong with our HC?

Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement
W A S H I N G T O N, Dec. 14
Michael J. Sniffen


The Healthcare Company-HCA, the nation’s largest for-profit hospital chain, agreed today to plead guilty to defrauding government health-care programs and will pay more than $840 million in criminal fines, civil penalties and damages.

The agreement reached after a seven-year federal investigation triggered by private whistleblowers is the largest government fraud settlement ever negotiated by the Justice Department.

The company agreed to cooperate with a continuing investigation that Attorney General Janet Reno said could still produce criminal charges against individuals in what Deputy Assistant FBI Director Thomas Kubic called “one of the FBI’s highest priority white-collar crime investigations.”

The agreement did not settle civil allegations that HCA unlawfully charged the government for the costs of running its hospitals and that it paid kickbacks to doctors so they would refer Medicare and Medicaid patients to its facilities.

The two HCA units that pleaded guilty — Columbia Homecare Group Inc. and Columbia Management Companies Inc. — agreed to pay more than $95 million in criminal fines and were barred from further participation in federal health-care programs.

Separately, HCA agreed to pay $745 million in civil penalties for its alleged false billing practices — a figure negotiated last spring but not finalized until the criminal settlement was announced today.

Reno: Fraud Hurts

“Health care fraud impacts every American citizen,” Reno told a news conference. “If you overbill the U.S. taxpayer, then we are going to make you pay it back and then some.”

She said it was the largest health-care fraud investigation in history, involving 30 U.S. attorney’s offices, 22 FBI field offices, inspectors general from the Health and Human Service Department and the Office of Personnel Management, Defense Department investigators and state fraud units.

HCA co-founder and chief executive Thomas Frist Jr., the brother of U.S. Sen. Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said from the company’s Nashville headquarters: “Today’s action represents one of the last steps needed to put the Columbia investigation behind us and allows us to move forward, maintaining our focus on providing quality patient care.”

Frist ousted Richard L. Scott as chief executive in July 1997 and began a restructuring of the company. HCA got out of the home health-care business and sold or consolidated more than 100 hospitals. The chain currently has about 200 hospitals.
Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement - ABC News

The above is for-profit from 2001

89 Of U.s. Hospitals Found Double-billing For Inpatient Care The Justice Department Has Demanded Refunds To Medicare And Patients. At Issue Are Tests Given During The 72 Hours Before Admission. - Philly.com

CLINIC STING NETS 18 Russian mob in 3M insurance scam feds say - NY Daily News

Hospice Patients Alliance - hospice fraud hospice scams and how to avoid them

This is just the level of fraud before. Note that when healthcare started moving towards for profit that the investors came before patients. Still do. But, those for profit hospitals and medical care could police their own, amiright? Profit over people. Choosing your own doctor? Lost that with the health care reform in the 90s. It's called managed care. HPOs, PPOs, POS.

Lobbied for by...........ding ding ding.......the insurance companies.


So, 95% of people had insurance through the workforce in 1978 and that declined to 14% by 1998. Lower income people couldn't get access to it. People were deliberately cut off at 35 hours so that they couldn't acquire the crap ass insurance that was carried. Two jobs and sometimes three jobs were necessary to make ends meet. This of course put them over the line to qualify for aid or even the sliding scale fee. So, it cost $80 to walk into the door of a clinic. Could not get testing or pay for a prescription.

Side note: What is really fun is listening to people recognize the ability to negotiate with larger groups of people and then trash unions. Hi-larious. Fun stuff.

And watch out for what's next. Kids not able to get that testing? Watch them shut down satellite offices for clinics in the health departments and send the nurses out to the school. They won't bat an eye. You won't either.

Would you like to learn about medicaid divorces?

So you agree with me, the problem with health care before ACA was government miss-management of our health care. And ACA merely brings us more government miss-management.

 

[Disir]

Amazing that ANY American believes our totally corrupt fed gov could effectively reform HC.

One has to be really stupid to believe such foolishness.

One has to be really stupid to believe that it was working out prior to Obamacare.

Other than government run medicaid, and government run medicare, and government run veterans health care, and government mismanagement of insurance companies, and government mandates on hospitals to provide free care to illegals and people who don't want to pay and charge paying customers extra to cover those costs... what was wrong with our HC?

Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement
W A S H I N G T O N, Dec. 14
Michael J. Sniffen


The Healthcare Company-HCA, the nation’s largest for-profit hospital chain, agreed today to plead guilty to defrauding government health-care programs and will pay more than $840 million in criminal fines, civil penalties and damages.

The agreement reached after a seven-year federal investigation triggered by private whistleblowers is the largest government fraud settlement ever negotiated by the Justice Department.

The company agreed to cooperate with a continuing investigation that Attorney General Janet Reno said could still produce criminal charges against individuals in what Deputy Assistant FBI Director Thomas Kubic called “one of the FBI’s highest priority white-collar crime investigations.”

The agreement did not settle civil allegations that HCA unlawfully charged the government for the costs of running its hospitals and that it paid kickbacks to doctors so they would refer Medicare and Medicaid patients to its facilities.

The two HCA units that pleaded guilty — Columbia Homecare Group Inc. and Columbia Management Companies Inc. — agreed to pay more than $95 million in criminal fines and were barred from further participation in federal health-care programs.

Separately, HCA agreed to pay $745 million in civil penalties for its alleged false billing practices — a figure negotiated last spring but not finalized until the criminal settlement was announced today.

Reno: Fraud Hurts

“Health care fraud impacts every American citizen,” Reno told a news conference. “If you overbill the U.S. taxpayer, then we are going to make you pay it back and then some.”

She said it was the largest health-care fraud investigation in history, involving 30 U.S. attorney’s offices, 22 FBI field offices, inspectors general from the Health and Human Service Department and the Office of Personnel Management, Defense Department investigators and state fraud units.

HCA co-founder and chief executive Thomas Frist Jr., the brother of U.S. Sen. Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said from the company’s Nashville headquarters: “Today’s action represents one of the last steps needed to put the Columbia investigation behind us and allows us to move forward, maintaining our focus on providing quality patient care.”

Frist ousted Richard L. Scott as chief executive in July 1997 and began a restructuring of the company. HCA got out of the home health-care business and sold or consolidated more than 100 hospitals. The chain currently has about 200 hospitals.
Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement - ABC News

The above is for-profit from 2001

89 Of U.s. Hospitals Found Double-billing For Inpatient Care The Justice Department Has Demanded Refunds To Medicare And Patients. At Issue Are Tests Given During The 72 Hours Before Admission. - Philly.com

CLINIC STING NETS 18 Russian mob in 3M insurance scam feds say - NY Daily News

Hospice Patients Alliance - hospice fraud hospice scams and how to avoid them

This is just the level of fraud before. Note that when healthcare started moving towards for profit that the investors came before patients. Still do. But, those for profit hospitals and medical care could police their own, amiright? Profit over people. Choosing your own doctor? Lost that with the health care reform in the 90s. It's called managed care. HPOs, PPOs, POS.

Lobbied for by...........ding ding ding.......the insurance companies.


So, 95% of people had insurance through the workforce in 1978 and that declined to 14% by 1998. Lower income people couldn't get access to it. People were deliberately cut off at 35 hours so that they couldn't acquire the crap ass insurance that was carried. Two jobs and sometimes three jobs were necessary to make ends meet. This of course put them over the line to qualify for aid or even the sliding scale fee. So, it cost $80 to walk into the door of a clinic. Could not get testing or pay for a prescription.

Side note: What is really fun is listening to people recognize the ability to negotiate with larger groups of people and then trash unions. Hi-larious. Fun stuff.

And watch out for what's next. Kids not able to get that testing? Watch them shut down satellite offices for clinics in the health departments and send the nurses out to the school. They won't bat an eye. You won't either.

Would you like to learn about medicaid divorces?

So you agree with me, the problem with health care before ACA was government miss-management of our health care. And ACA merely brings us more government miss-management.

Except it wasn't government mismanagement. In fact, it was the government that had to go and nail the corporate whores when they refused to regulate themselves.

 

[RKMBrown]

Amazing that ANY American believes our totally corrupt fed gov could effectively reform HC.

One has to be really stupid to believe such foolishness.

One has to be really stupid to believe that it was working out prior to Obamacare.

Other than government run medicaid, and government run medicare, and government run veterans health care, and government mismanagement of insurance companies, and government mandates on hospitals to provide free care to illegals and people who don't want to pay and charge paying customers extra to cover those costs... what was wrong with our HC?

Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement
W A S H I N G T O N, Dec. 14
Michael J. Sniffen


The Healthcare Company-HCA, the nation’s largest for-profit hospital chain, agreed today to plead guilty to defrauding government health-care programs and will pay more than $840 million in criminal fines, civil penalties and damages.

The agreement reached after a seven-year federal investigation triggered by private whistleblowers is the largest government fraud settlement ever negotiated by the Justice Department.

The company agreed to cooperate with a continuing investigation that Attorney General Janet Reno said could still produce criminal charges against individuals in what Deputy Assistant FBI Director Thomas Kubic called “one of the FBI’s highest priority white-collar crime investigations.”

The agreement did not settle civil allegations that HCA unlawfully charged the government for the costs of running its hospitals and that it paid kickbacks to doctors so they would refer Medicare and Medicaid patients to its facilities.

The two HCA units that pleaded guilty — Columbia Homecare Group Inc. and Columbia Management Companies Inc. — agreed to pay more than $95 million in criminal fines and were barred from further participation in federal health-care programs.

Separately, HCA agreed to pay $745 million in civil penalties for its alleged false billing practices — a figure negotiated last spring but not finalized until the criminal settlement was announced today.

Reno: Fraud Hurts

“Health care fraud impacts every American citizen,” Reno told a news conference. “If you overbill the U.S. taxpayer, then we are going to make you pay it back and then some.”

She said it was the largest health-care fraud investigation in history, involving 30 U.S. attorney’s offices, 22 FBI field offices, inspectors general from the Health and Human Service Department and the Office of Personnel Management, Defense Department investigators and state fraud units.

HCA co-founder and chief executive Thomas Frist Jr., the brother of U.S. Sen. Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said from the company’s Nashville headquarters: “Today’s action represents one of the last steps needed to put the Columbia investigation behind us and allows us to move forward, maintaining our focus on providing quality patient care.”

Frist ousted Richard L. Scott as chief executive in July 1997 and began a restructuring of the company. HCA got out of the home health-care business and sold or consolidated more than 100 hospitals. The chain currently has about 200 hospitals.
Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement - ABC News

The above is for-profit from 2001

89 Of U.s. Hospitals Found Double-billing For Inpatient Care The Justice Department Has Demanded Refunds To Medicare And Patients. At Issue Are Tests Given During The 72 Hours Before Admission. - Philly.com

CLINIC STING NETS 18 Russian mob in 3M insurance scam feds say - NY Daily News

Hospice Patients Alliance - hospice fraud hospice scams and how to avoid them

This is just the level of fraud before. Note that when healthcare started moving towards for profit that the investors came before patients. Still do. But, those for profit hospitals and medical care could police their own, amiright? Profit over people. Choosing your own doctor? Lost that with the health care reform in the 90s. It's called managed care. HPOs, PPOs, POS.

Lobbied for by...........ding ding ding.......the insurance companies.


So, 95% of people had insurance through the workforce in 1978 and that declined to 14% by 1998. Lower income people couldn't get access to it. People were deliberately cut off at 35 hours so that they couldn't acquire the crap ass insurance that was carried. Two jobs and sometimes three jobs were necessary to make ends meet. This of course put them over the line to qualify for aid or even the sliding scale fee. So, it cost $80 to walk into the door of a clinic. Could not get testing or pay for a prescription.

Side note: What is really fun is listening to people recognize the ability to negotiate with larger groups of people and then trash unions. Hi-larious. Fun stuff.

And watch out for what's next. Kids not able to get that testing? Watch them shut down satellite offices for clinics in the health departments and send the nurses out to the school. They won't bat an eye. You won't either.

Would you like to learn about medicaid divorces?

So you agree with me, the problem with health care before ACA was government miss-management of our health care. And ACA merely brings us more government miss-management.

Except it wasn't government mismanagement. In fact, it was the government that had to go and nail the corporate whores when they refused to regulate themselves.

Please inform us all when these corporate whores operated free of government regulation. I can't wait to hear this one.

 

[Disir]

One has to be really stupid to believe that it was working out prior to Obamacare.

Other than government run medicaid, and government run medicare, and government run veterans health care, and government mismanagement of insurance companies, and government mandates on hospitals to provide free care to illegals and people who don't want to pay and charge paying customers extra to cover those costs... what was wrong with our HC?

Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement
W A S H I N G T O N, Dec. 14
Michael J. Sniffen


The Healthcare Company-HCA, the nation’s largest for-profit hospital chain, agreed today to plead guilty to defrauding government health-care programs and will pay more than $840 million in criminal fines, civil penalties and damages.

The agreement reached after a seven-year federal investigation triggered by private whistleblowers is the largest government fraud settlement ever negotiated by the Justice Department.

The company agreed to cooperate with a continuing investigation that Attorney General Janet Reno said could still produce criminal charges against individuals in what Deputy Assistant FBI Director Thomas Kubic called “one of the FBI’s highest priority white-collar crime investigations.”

The agreement did not settle civil allegations that HCA unlawfully charged the government for the costs of running its hospitals and that it paid kickbacks to doctors so they would refer Medicare and Medicaid patients to its facilities.

The two HCA units that pleaded guilty — Columbia Homecare Group Inc. and Columbia Management Companies Inc. — agreed to pay more than $95 million in criminal fines and were barred from further participation in federal health-care programs.

Separately, HCA agreed to pay $745 million in civil penalties for its alleged false billing practices — a figure negotiated last spring but not finalized until the criminal settlement was announced today.

Reno: Fraud Hurts

“Health care fraud impacts every American citizen,” Reno told a news conference. “If you overbill the U.S. taxpayer, then we are going to make you pay it back and then some.”

She said it was the largest health-care fraud investigation in history, involving 30 U.S. attorney’s offices, 22 FBI field offices, inspectors general from the Health and Human Service Department and the Office of Personnel Management, Defense Department investigators and state fraud units.

HCA co-founder and chief executive Thomas Frist Jr., the brother of U.S. Sen. Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said from the company’s Nashville headquarters: “Today’s action represents one of the last steps needed to put the Columbia investigation behind us and allows us to move forward, maintaining our focus on providing quality patient care.”

Frist ousted Richard L. Scott as chief executive in July 1997 and began a restructuring of the company. HCA got out of the home health-care business and sold or consolidated more than 100 hospitals. The chain currently has about 200 hospitals.
Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement - ABC News

The above is for-profit from 2001

89 Of U.s. Hospitals Found Double-billing For Inpatient Care The Justice Department Has Demanded Refunds To Medicare And Patients. At Issue Are Tests Given During The 72 Hours Before Admission. - Philly.com

CLINIC STING NETS 18 Russian mob in 3M insurance scam feds say - NY Daily News

Hospice Patients Alliance - hospice fraud hospice scams and how to avoid them

This is just the level of fraud before. Note that when healthcare started moving towards for profit that the investors came before patients. Still do. But, those for profit hospitals and medical care could police their own, amiright? Profit over people. Choosing your own doctor? Lost that with the health care reform in the 90s. It's called managed care. HPOs, PPOs, POS.

Lobbied for by...........ding ding ding.......the insurance companies.


So, 95% of people had insurance through the workforce in 1978 and that declined to 14% by 1998. Lower income people couldn't get access to it. People were deliberately cut off at 35 hours so that they couldn't acquire the crap ass insurance that was carried. Two jobs and sometimes three jobs were necessary to make ends meet. This of course put them over the line to qualify for aid or even the sliding scale fee. So, it cost $80 to walk into the door of a clinic. Could not get testing or pay for a prescription.

Side note: What is really fun is listening to people recognize the ability to negotiate with larger groups of people and then trash unions. Hi-larious. Fun stuff.

And watch out for what's next. Kids not able to get that testing? Watch them shut down satellite offices for clinics in the health departments and send the nurses out to the school. They won't bat an eye. You won't either.

Would you like to learn about medicaid divorces?

So you agree with me, the problem with health care before ACA was government miss-management of our health care. And ACA merely brings us more government miss-management.

Except it wasn't government mismanagement. In fact, it was the government that had to go and nail the corporate whores when they refused to regulate themselves.

Please inform us all when these corporate whores operated free of government regulation. I can't wait to hear this one.

Try again.

 

[RKMBrown]

Other than government run medicaid, and government run medicare, and government run veterans health care, and government mismanagement of insurance companies, and government mandates on hospitals to provide free care to illegals and people who don't want to pay and charge paying customers extra to cover those costs... what was wrong with our HC?

Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement
W A S H I N G T O N, Dec. 14
Michael J. Sniffen


The Healthcare Company-HCA, the nation’s largest for-profit hospital chain, agreed today to plead guilty to defrauding government health-care programs and will pay more than $840 million in criminal fines, civil penalties and damages.

The agreement reached after a seven-year federal investigation triggered by private whistleblowers is the largest government fraud settlement ever negotiated by the Justice Department.

The company agreed to cooperate with a continuing investigation that Attorney General Janet Reno said could still produce criminal charges against individuals in what Deputy Assistant FBI Director Thomas Kubic called “one of the FBI’s highest priority white-collar crime investigations.”

The agreement did not settle civil allegations that HCA unlawfully charged the government for the costs of running its hospitals and that it paid kickbacks to doctors so they would refer Medicare and Medicaid patients to its facilities.

The two HCA units that pleaded guilty — Columbia Homecare Group Inc. and Columbia Management Companies Inc. — agreed to pay more than $95 million in criminal fines and were barred from further participation in federal health-care programs.

Separately, HCA agreed to pay $745 million in civil penalties for its alleged false billing practices — a figure negotiated last spring but not finalized until the criminal settlement was announced today.

Reno: Fraud Hurts

“Health care fraud impacts every American citizen,” Reno told a news conference. “If you overbill the U.S. taxpayer, then we are going to make you pay it back and then some.”

She said it was the largest health-care fraud investigation in history, involving 30 U.S. attorney’s offices, 22 FBI field offices, inspectors general from the Health and Human Service Department and the Office of Personnel Management, Defense Department investigators and state fraud units.

HCA co-founder and chief executive Thomas Frist Jr., the brother of U.S. Sen. Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said from the company’s Nashville headquarters: “Today’s action represents one of the last steps needed to put the Columbia investigation behind us and allows us to move forward, maintaining our focus on providing quality patient care.”

Frist ousted Richard L. Scott as chief executive in July 1997 and began a restructuring of the company. HCA got out of the home health-care business and sold or consolidated more than 100 hospitals. The chain currently has about 200 hospitals.
Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement - ABC News

The above is for-profit from 2001

89 Of U.s. Hospitals Found Double-billing For Inpatient Care The Justice Department Has Demanded Refunds To Medicare And Patients. At Issue Are Tests Given During The 72 Hours Before Admission. - Philly.com

CLINIC STING NETS 18 Russian mob in 3M insurance scam feds say - NY Daily News

Hospice Patients Alliance - hospice fraud hospice scams and how to avoid them

This is just the level of fraud before. Note that when healthcare started moving towards for profit that the investors came before patients. Still do. But, those for profit hospitals and medical care could police their own, amiright? Profit over people. Choosing your own doctor? Lost that with the health care reform in the 90s. It's called managed care. HPOs, PPOs, POS.

Lobbied for by...........ding ding ding.......the insurance companies.


So, 95% of people had insurance through the workforce in 1978 and that declined to 14% by 1998. Lower income people couldn't get access to it. People were deliberately cut off at 35 hours so that they couldn't acquire the crap ass insurance that was carried. Two jobs and sometimes three jobs were necessary to make ends meet. This of course put them over the line to qualify for aid or even the sliding scale fee. So, it cost $80 to walk into the door of a clinic. Could not get testing or pay for a prescription.

Side note: What is really fun is listening to people recognize the ability to negotiate with larger groups of people and then trash unions. Hi-larious. Fun stuff.

And watch out for what's next. Kids not able to get that testing? Watch them shut down satellite offices for clinics in the health departments and send the nurses out to the school. They won't bat an eye. You won't either.

Would you like to learn about medicaid divorces?

So you agree with me, the problem with health care before ACA was government miss-management of our health care. And ACA merely brings us more government miss-management.

Except it wasn't government mismanagement. In fact, it was the government that had to go and nail the corporate whores when they refused to regulate themselves.

Please inform us all when these corporate whores operated free of government regulation. I can't wait to hear this one.

Try again.

Try what again.

 

[Disir]

Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement
W A S H I N G T O N, Dec. 14
Michael J. Sniffen


The Healthcare Company-HCA, the nation’s largest for-profit hospital chain, agreed today to plead guilty to defrauding government health-care programs and will pay more than $840 million in criminal fines, civil penalties and damages.

The agreement reached after a seven-year federal investigation triggered by private whistleblowers is the largest government fraud settlement ever negotiated by the Justice Department.

The company agreed to cooperate with a continuing investigation that Attorney General Janet Reno said could still produce criminal charges against individuals in what Deputy Assistant FBI Director Thomas Kubic called “one of the FBI’s highest priority white-collar crime investigations.”

The agreement did not settle civil allegations that HCA unlawfully charged the government for the costs of running its hospitals and that it paid kickbacks to doctors so they would refer Medicare and Medicaid patients to its facilities.

The two HCA units that pleaded guilty — Columbia Homecare Group Inc. and Columbia Management Companies Inc. — agreed to pay more than $95 million in criminal fines and were barred from further participation in federal health-care programs.

Separately, HCA agreed to pay $745 million in civil penalties for its alleged false billing practices — a figure negotiated last spring but not finalized until the criminal settlement was announced today.

Reno: Fraud Hurts

“Health care fraud impacts every American citizen,” Reno told a news conference. “If you overbill the U.S. taxpayer, then we are going to make you pay it back and then some.”

She said it was the largest health-care fraud investigation in history, involving 30 U.S. attorney’s offices, 22 FBI field offices, inspectors general from the Health and Human Service Department and the Office of Personnel Management, Defense Department investigators and state fraud units.

HCA co-founder and chief executive Thomas Frist Jr., the brother of U.S. Sen. Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said from the company’s Nashville headquarters: “Today’s action represents one of the last steps needed to put the Columbia investigation behind us and allows us to move forward, maintaining our focus on providing quality patient care.”

Frist ousted Richard L. Scott as chief executive in July 1997 and began a restructuring of the company. HCA got out of the home health-care business and sold or consolidated more than 100 hospitals. The chain currently has about 200 hospitals.
Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement - ABC News

The above is for-profit from 2001

89 Of U.s. Hospitals Found Double-billing For Inpatient Care The Justice Department Has Demanded Refunds To Medicare And Patients. At Issue Are Tests Given During The 72 Hours Before Admission. - Philly.com

CLINIC STING NETS 18 Russian mob in 3M insurance scam feds say - NY Daily News

Hospice Patients Alliance - hospice fraud hospice scams and how to avoid them

This is just the level of fraud before. Note that when healthcare started moving towards for profit that the investors came before patients. Still do. But, those for profit hospitals and medical care could police their own, amiright? Profit over people. Choosing your own doctor? Lost that with the health care reform in the 90s. It's called managed care. HPOs, PPOs, POS.

Lobbied for by...........ding ding ding.......the insurance companies.


So, 95% of people had insurance through the workforce in 1978 and that declined to 14% by 1998. Lower income people couldn't get access to it. People were deliberately cut off at 35 hours so that they couldn't acquire the crap ass insurance that was carried. Two jobs and sometimes three jobs were necessary to make ends meet. This of course put them over the line to qualify for aid or even the sliding scale fee. So, it cost $80 to walk into the door of a clinic. Could not get testing or pay for a prescription.

Side note: What is really fun is listening to people recognize the ability to negotiate with larger groups of people and then trash unions. Hi-larious. Fun stuff.

And watch out for what's next. Kids not able to get that testing? Watch them shut down satellite offices for clinics in the health departments and send the nurses out to the school. They won't bat an eye. You won't either.

Would you like to learn about medicaid divorces?

So you agree with me, the problem with health care before ACA was government miss-management of our health care. And ACA merely brings us more government miss-management.

Except it wasn't government mismanagement. In fact, it was the government that had to go and nail the corporate whores when they refused to regulate themselves.

Please inform us all when these corporate whores operated free of government regulation. I can't wait to hear this one.

Try again.

Try what again.

Medical care is profit driven.

 

[emilynghiem]

Amazing that ANY American believes our totally corrupt fed gov could effectively reform HC.

One has to be really stupid to believe such foolishness.

One has to be really stupid to believe that it was working out prior to Obamacare.

Other than government run medicaid, and government run medicare, and government run veterans health care, and government mismanagement of insurance companies, and government mandates on hospitals to provide free care to illegals and people who don't want to pay and charge paying customers extra to cover those costs... what was wrong with our HC?

Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement
W A S H I N G T O N, Dec. 14
Michael J. Sniffen


The Healthcare Company-HCA, the nation’s largest for-profit hospital chain, agreed today to plead guilty to defrauding government health-care programs and will pay more than $840 million in criminal fines, civil penalties and damages.

The agreement reached after a seven-year federal investigation triggered by private whistleblowers is the largest government fraud settlement ever negotiated by the Justice Department.

The company agreed to cooperate with a continuing investigation that Attorney General Janet Reno said could still produce criminal charges against individuals in what Deputy Assistant FBI Director Thomas Kubic called “one of the FBI’s highest priority white-collar crime investigations.”

The agreement did not settle civil allegations that HCA unlawfully charged the government for the costs of running its hospitals and that it paid kickbacks to doctors so they would refer Medicare and Medicaid patients to its facilities.

The two HCA units that pleaded guilty — Columbia Homecare Group Inc. and Columbia Management Companies Inc. — agreed to pay more than $95 million in criminal fines and were barred from further participation in federal health-care programs.

Separately, HCA agreed to pay $745 million in civil penalties for its alleged false billing practices — a figure negotiated last spring but not finalized until the criminal settlement was announced today.

Reno: Fraud Hurts

“Health care fraud impacts every American citizen,” Reno told a news conference. “If you overbill the U.S. taxpayer, then we are going to make you pay it back and then some.”

She said it was the largest health-care fraud investigation in history, involving 30 U.S. attorney’s offices, 22 FBI field offices, inspectors general from the Health and Human Service Department and the Office of Personnel Management, Defense Department investigators and state fraud units.

HCA co-founder and chief executive Thomas Frist Jr., the brother of U.S. Sen. Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said from the company’s Nashville headquarters: “Today’s action represents one of the last steps needed to put the Columbia investigation behind us and allows us to move forward, maintaining our focus on providing quality patient care.”

Frist ousted Richard L. Scott as chief executive in July 1997 and began a restructuring of the company. HCA got out of the home health-care business and sold or consolidated more than 100 hospitals. The chain currently has about 200 hospitals.
Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement - ABC News

The above is for-profit from 2001

89 Of U.s. Hospitals Found Double-billing For Inpatient Care The Justice Department Has Demanded Refunds To Medicare And Patients. At Issue Are Tests Given During The 72 Hours Before Admission. - Philly.com

CLINIC STING NETS 18 Russian mob in 3M insurance scam feds say - NY Daily News

Hospice Patients Alliance - hospice fraud hospice scams and how to avoid them

This is just the level of fraud before. Note that when healthcare started moving towards for profit that the investors came before patients. Still do. But, those for profit hospitals and medical care could police their own, amiright? Profit over people. Choosing your own doctor? Lost that with the health care reform in the 90s. It's called managed care. HPOs, PPOs, POS.

Lobbied for by...........ding ding ding.......the insurance companies.


So, 95% of people had insurance through the workforce in 1978 and that declined to 14% by 1998. Lower income people couldn't get access to it. People were deliberately cut off at 35 hours so that they couldn't acquire the crap ass insurance that was carried. Two jobs and sometimes three jobs were necessary to make ends meet. This of course put them over the line to qualify for aid or even the sliding scale fee. So, it cost $80 to walk into the door of a clinic. Could not get testing or pay for a prescription.

Side note: What is really fun is listening to people recognize the ability to negotiate with larger groups of people and then trash unions. Hi-larious. Fun stuff.

And watch out for what's next. Kids not able to get that testing? Watch them shut down satellite offices for clinics in the health departments and send the nurses out to the school. They won't bat an eye. You won't either.

Would you like to learn about medicaid divorces?

How is this news?

Being a Democrat, I face the criticisms all the time:
If you KNOW the health care system is corrupt, the public school system,
the public housing system, WHY KEEP GIVING MORE MONEY AND MORE CONTROL to them
when there isn't adequate CHECK on "pseudo-govt" institutions
that mix public with private and CREATE these disasters. like duh!

Please see my previous post.
Republicans blame Democrats for setting up a failed system so they won't support that,
while Democrats blame Republicans for making it fail by NOT supporting it.

If you don't agree to support it, then don't use govt for that.
And then whatever you do set up, will have support of everyone to work!
Is that so foreign?
The idea that if everyone is behind something, then they'l help make it work,
but if they don't believe in something you can't force it on them.

Why not stick to what all people agree will work and define/limit
government to reflect the WILL or CONSENT of the PEOPLE.

I guess that just makes too much sense, and can't be twisted around and sold for votes....

 

[RKMBrown]

So you agree with me, the problem with health care before ACA was government miss-management of our health care. And ACA merely brings us more government miss-management.

Except it wasn't government mismanagement. In fact, it was the government that had to go and nail the corporate whores when they refused to regulate themselves.

Please inform us all when these corporate whores operated free of government regulation. I can't wait to hear this one.

Try again.

Try what again.

Medical care is profit driven.

Point? Do think doctors, nurses, and scientists, working in the medical field should work for free?

 

[Disir]

Amazing that ANY American believes our totally corrupt fed gov could effectively reform HC.

One has to be really stupid to believe such foolishness.

One has to be really stupid to believe that it was working out prior to Obamacare.

Other than government run medicaid, and government run medicare, and government run veterans health care, and government mismanagement of insurance companies, and government mandates on hospitals to provide free care to illegals and people who don't want to pay and charge paying customers extra to cover those costs... what was wrong with our HC?

Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement
W A S H I N G T O N, Dec. 14
Michael J. Sniffen


The Healthcare Company-HCA, the nation’s largest for-profit hospital chain, agreed today to plead guilty to defrauding government health-care programs and will pay more than $840 million in criminal fines, civil penalties and damages.

The agreement reached after a seven-year federal investigation triggered by private whistleblowers is the largest government fraud settlement ever negotiated by the Justice Department.

The company agreed to cooperate with a continuing investigation that Attorney General Janet Reno said could still produce criminal charges against individuals in what Deputy Assistant FBI Director Thomas Kubic called “one of the FBI’s highest priority white-collar crime investigations.”

The agreement did not settle civil allegations that HCA unlawfully charged the government for the costs of running its hospitals and that it paid kickbacks to doctors so they would refer Medicare and Medicaid patients to its facilities.

The two HCA units that pleaded guilty — Columbia Homecare Group Inc. and Columbia Management Companies Inc. — agreed to pay more than $95 million in criminal fines and were barred from further participation in federal health-care programs.

Separately, HCA agreed to pay $745 million in civil penalties for its alleged false billing practices — a figure negotiated last spring but not finalized until the criminal settlement was announced today.

Reno: Fraud Hurts

“Health care fraud impacts every American citizen,” Reno told a news conference. “If you overbill the U.S. taxpayer, then we are going to make you pay it back and then some.”

She said it was the largest health-care fraud investigation in history, involving 30 U.S. attorney’s offices, 22 FBI field offices, inspectors general from the Health and Human Service Department and the Office of Personnel Management, Defense Department investigators and state fraud units.

HCA co-founder and chief executive Thomas Frist Jr., the brother of U.S. Sen. Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said from the company’s Nashville headquarters: “Today’s action represents one of the last steps needed to put the Columbia investigation behind us and allows us to move forward, maintaining our focus on providing quality patient care.”

Frist ousted Richard L. Scott as chief executive in July 1997 and began a restructuring of the company. HCA got out of the home health-care business and sold or consolidated more than 100 hospitals. The chain currently has about 200 hospitals.
Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement - ABC News

The above is for-profit from 2001

89 Of U.s. Hospitals Found Double-billing For Inpatient Care The Justice Department Has Demanded Refunds To Medicare And Patients. At Issue Are Tests Given During The 72 Hours Before Admission. - Philly.com

CLINIC STING NETS 18 Russian mob in 3M insurance scam feds say - NY Daily News

Hospice Patients Alliance - hospice fraud hospice scams and how to avoid them

This is just the level of fraud before. Note that when healthcare started moving towards for profit that the investors came before patients. Still do. But, those for profit hospitals and medical care could police their own, amiright? Profit over people. Choosing your own doctor? Lost that with the health care reform in the 90s. It's called managed care. HPOs, PPOs, POS.

Lobbied for by...........ding ding ding.......the insurance companies.


So, 95% of people had insurance through the workforce in 1978 and that declined to 14% by 1998. Lower income people couldn't get access to it. People were deliberately cut off at 35 hours so that they couldn't acquire the crap ass insurance that was carried. Two jobs and sometimes three jobs were necessary to make ends meet. This of course put them over the line to qualify for aid or even the sliding scale fee. So, it cost $80 to walk into the door of a clinic. Could not get testing or pay for a prescription.

Side note: What is really fun is listening to people recognize the ability to negotiate with larger groups of people and then trash unions. Hi-larious. Fun stuff.

And watch out for what's next. Kids not able to get that testing? Watch them shut down satellite offices for clinics in the health departments and send the nurses out to the school. They won't bat an eye. You won't either.

Would you like to learn about medicaid divorces?

How is this news?

Being a Democrat, I face the criticisms all the time:
If you KNOW the health care system is corrupt, the public school system,
the public housing system, WHY KEEP GIVING MORE MONEY AND MORE CONTROL to them
when there isn't adequate CHECK on "pseudo-govt" institutions
that mix public with private and CREATE these disasters. like duh!

Please see my previous post.
Republicans blame Democrats for setting up a failed system so they won't support that,
while Democrats blame Republicans for making it fail by NOT supporting it.

If you don't agree to support it, then don't use govt for that.
And then whatever you do set up, will have support of everyone to work!
Is that so foreign?
The idea that if everyone is behind something, then they'l help make it work,
but if they don't believe in something you can't force it on them.

Why not stick to what all people agree will work and define/limit
government to reflect the WILL or CONSENT of the PEOPLE.

I guess that just makes too much sense, and can't be twisted around and sold for votes....

Cut the shit. You're not a democrat. You're a whatever is useful at the moment.

Except it wasn't government mismanagement. In fact, it was the government that had to go and nail the corporate whores when they refused to regulate themselves.

Please inform us all when these corporate whores operated free of government regulation. I can't wait to hear this one.

Try again.

Try what again.

Medical care is profit driven.

Point? Do think doctors, nurses, and scientists, working in the medical field should work for free?

That misses the mark. In fact, it distorts the picture.

The question is........do you think health care should be decided by the investors?

We have always had a mixed market economy.

 

[RKMBrown]

Amazing that ANY American believes our totally corrupt fed gov could effectively reform HC.

One has to be really stupid to believe such foolishness.

One has to be really stupid to believe that it was working out prior to Obamacare.

Other than government run medicaid, and government run medicare, and government run veterans health care, and government mismanagement of insurance companies, and government mandates on hospitals to provide free care to illegals and people who don't want to pay and charge paying customers extra to cover those costs... what was wrong with our HC?

Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement
W A S H I N G T O N, Dec. 14
Michael J. Sniffen


The Healthcare Company-HCA, the nation’s largest for-profit hospital chain, agreed today to plead guilty to defrauding government health-care programs and will pay more than $840 million in criminal fines, civil penalties and damages.

The agreement reached after a seven-year federal investigation triggered by private whistleblowers is the largest government fraud settlement ever negotiated by the Justice Department.

The company agreed to cooperate with a continuing investigation that Attorney General Janet Reno said could still produce criminal charges against individuals in what Deputy Assistant FBI Director Thomas Kubic called “one of the FBI’s highest priority white-collar crime investigations.”

The agreement did not settle civil allegations that HCA unlawfully charged the government for the costs of running its hospitals and that it paid kickbacks to doctors so they would refer Medicare and Medicaid patients to its facilities.

The two HCA units that pleaded guilty — Columbia Homecare Group Inc. and Columbia Management Companies Inc. — agreed to pay more than $95 million in criminal fines and were barred from further participation in federal health-care programs.

Separately, HCA agreed to pay $745 million in civil penalties for its alleged false billing practices — a figure negotiated last spring but not finalized until the criminal settlement was announced today.

Reno: Fraud Hurts

“Health care fraud impacts every American citizen,” Reno told a news conference. “If you overbill the U.S. taxpayer, then we are going to make you pay it back and then some.”

She said it was the largest health-care fraud investigation in history, involving 30 U.S. attorney’s offices, 22 FBI field offices, inspectors general from the Health and Human Service Department and the Office of Personnel Management, Defense Department investigators and state fraud units.

HCA co-founder and chief executive Thomas Frist Jr., the brother of U.S. Sen. Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said from the company’s Nashville headquarters: “Today’s action represents one of the last steps needed to put the Columbia investigation behind us and allows us to move forward, maintaining our focus on providing quality patient care.”

Frist ousted Richard L. Scott as chief executive in July 1997 and began a restructuring of the company. HCA got out of the home health-care business and sold or consolidated more than 100 hospitals. The chain currently has about 200 hospitals.
Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement - ABC News

The above is for-profit from 2001

89 Of U.s. Hospitals Found Double-billing For Inpatient Care The Justice Department Has Demanded Refunds To Medicare And Patients. At Issue Are Tests Given During The 72 Hours Before Admission. - Philly.com

CLINIC STING NETS 18 Russian mob in 3M insurance scam feds say - NY Daily News

Hospice Patients Alliance - hospice fraud hospice scams and how to avoid them

This is just the level of fraud before. Note that when healthcare started moving towards for profit that the investors came before patients. Still do. But, those for profit hospitals and medical care could police their own, amiright? Profit over people. Choosing your own doctor? Lost that with the health care reform in the 90s. It's called managed care. HPOs, PPOs, POS.

Lobbied for by...........ding ding ding.......the insurance companies.


So, 95% of people had insurance through the workforce in 1978 and that declined to 14% by 1998. Lower income people couldn't get access to it. People were deliberately cut off at 35 hours so that they couldn't acquire the crap ass insurance that was carried. Two jobs and sometimes three jobs were necessary to make ends meet. This of course put them over the line to qualify for aid or even the sliding scale fee. So, it cost $80 to walk into the door of a clinic. Could not get testing or pay for a prescription.

Side note: What is really fun is listening to people recognize the ability to negotiate with larger groups of people and then trash unions. Hi-larious. Fun stuff.

And watch out for what's next. Kids not able to get that testing? Watch them shut down satellite offices for clinics in the health departments and send the nurses out to the school. They won't bat an eye. You won't either.

Would you like to learn about medicaid divorces?

How is this news?

Being a Democrat, I face the criticisms all the time:
If you KNOW the health care system is corrupt, the public school system,
the public housing system, WHY KEEP GIVING MORE MONEY AND MORE CONTROL to them
when there isn't adequate CHECK on "pseudo-govt" institutions
that mix public with private and CREATE these disasters. like duh!

Please see my previous post.
Republicans blame Democrats for setting up a failed system so they won't support that,
while Democrats blame Republicans for making it fail by NOT supporting it.

If you don't agree to support it, then don't use govt for that.
And then whatever you do set up, will have support of everyone to work!
Is that so foreign?
The idea that if everyone is behind something, then they'l help make it work,
but if they don't believe in something you can't force it on them.

Why not stick to what all people agree will work and define/limit
government to reflect the WILL or CONSENT of the PEOPLE.

I guess that just makes too much sense, and can't be twisted around and sold for votes....

Cut the shit. You're not a democrat. You're a whatever is useful at the moment.

Please inform us all when these corporate whores operated free of government regulation. I can't wait to hear this one.

Try again.

Try what again.

Medical care is profit driven.

Point? Do think doctors, nurses, and scientists, working in the medical field should work for free?

That misses the mark. In fact, it distorts the picture.

The question is........do you think health care should be decided by the investors?

We have always had a mixed market economy.

Are you actually asking me if it should be legal to have private investments in health care improvements and research?

Government's job is to break up monopolies on things like health care, not BECOME the monopoly.

 

[Disir]

One has to be really stupid to believe that it was working out prior to Obamacare.

Other than government run medicaid, and government run medicare, and government run veterans health care, and government mismanagement of insurance companies, and government mandates on hospitals to provide free care to illegals and people who don't want to pay and charge paying customers extra to cover those costs... what was wrong with our HC?

Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement
W A S H I N G T O N, Dec. 14
Michael J. Sniffen


The Healthcare Company-HCA, the nation’s largest for-profit hospital chain, agreed today to plead guilty to defrauding government health-care programs and will pay more than $840 million in criminal fines, civil penalties and damages.

The agreement reached after a seven-year federal investigation triggered by private whistleblowers is the largest government fraud settlement ever negotiated by the Justice Department.

The company agreed to cooperate with a continuing investigation that Attorney General Janet Reno said could still produce criminal charges against individuals in what Deputy Assistant FBI Director Thomas Kubic called “one of the FBI’s highest priority white-collar crime investigations.”

The agreement did not settle civil allegations that HCA unlawfully charged the government for the costs of running its hospitals and that it paid kickbacks to doctors so they would refer Medicare and Medicaid patients to its facilities.

The two HCA units that pleaded guilty — Columbia Homecare Group Inc. and Columbia Management Companies Inc. — agreed to pay more than $95 million in criminal fines and were barred from further participation in federal health-care programs.

Separately, HCA agreed to pay $745 million in civil penalties for its alleged false billing practices — a figure negotiated last spring but not finalized until the criminal settlement was announced today.

Reno: Fraud Hurts

“Health care fraud impacts every American citizen,” Reno told a news conference. “If you overbill the U.S. taxpayer, then we are going to make you pay it back and then some.”

She said it was the largest health-care fraud investigation in history, involving 30 U.S. attorney’s offices, 22 FBI field offices, inspectors general from the Health and Human Service Department and the Office of Personnel Management, Defense Department investigators and state fraud units.

HCA co-founder and chief executive Thomas Frist Jr., the brother of U.S. Sen. Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said from the company’s Nashville headquarters: “Today’s action represents one of the last steps needed to put the Columbia investigation behind us and allows us to move forward, maintaining our focus on providing quality patient care.”

Frist ousted Richard L. Scott as chief executive in July 1997 and began a restructuring of the company. HCA got out of the home health-care business and sold or consolidated more than 100 hospitals. The chain currently has about 200 hospitals.
Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement - ABC News

The above is for-profit from 2001

89 Of U.s. Hospitals Found Double-billing For Inpatient Care The Justice Department Has Demanded Refunds To Medicare And Patients. At Issue Are Tests Given During The 72 Hours Before Admission. - Philly.com

CLINIC STING NETS 18 Russian mob in 3M insurance scam feds say - NY Daily News

Hospice Patients Alliance - hospice fraud hospice scams and how to avoid them

This is just the level of fraud before. Note that when healthcare started moving towards for profit that the investors came before patients. Still do. But, those for profit hospitals and medical care could police their own, amiright? Profit over people. Choosing your own doctor? Lost that with the health care reform in the 90s. It's called managed care. HPOs, PPOs, POS.

Lobbied for by...........ding ding ding.......the insurance companies.


So, 95% of people had insurance through the workforce in 1978 and that declined to 14% by 1998. Lower income people couldn't get access to it. People were deliberately cut off at 35 hours so that they couldn't acquire the crap ass insurance that was carried. Two jobs and sometimes three jobs were necessary to make ends meet. This of course put them over the line to qualify for aid or even the sliding scale fee. So, it cost $80 to walk into the door of a clinic. Could not get testing or pay for a prescription.

Side note: What is really fun is listening to people recognize the ability to negotiate with larger groups of people and then trash unions. Hi-larious. Fun stuff.

And watch out for what's next. Kids not able to get that testing? Watch them shut down satellite offices for clinics in the health departments and send the nurses out to the school. They won't bat an eye. You won't either.

Would you like to learn about medicaid divorces?

How is this news?

Being a Democrat, I face the criticisms all the time:
If you KNOW the health care system is corrupt, the public school system,
the public housing system, WHY KEEP GIVING MORE MONEY AND MORE CONTROL to them
when there isn't adequate CHECK on "pseudo-govt" institutions
that mix public with private and CREATE these disasters. like duh!

Please see my previous post.
Republicans blame Democrats for setting up a failed system so they won't support that,
while Democrats blame Republicans for making it fail by NOT supporting it.

If you don't agree to support it, then don't use govt for that.
And then whatever you do set up, will have support of everyone to work!
Is that so foreign?
The idea that if everyone is behind something, then they'l help make it work,
but if they don't believe in something you can't force it on them.

Why not stick to what all people agree will work and define/limit
government to reflect the WILL or CONSENT of the PEOPLE.

I guess that just makes too much sense, and can't be twisted around and sold for votes....

Cut the shit. You're not a democrat. You're a whatever is useful at the moment.

Try again.

Try what again.

Medical care is profit driven.

Point? Do think doctors, nurses, and scientists, working in the medical field should work for free?

That misses the mark. In fact, it distorts the picture.

The question is........do you think health care should be decided by the investors?

We have always had a mixed market economy.

Are you actually asking me if it should be legal to have private investments in health care improvements and research?

Government's job is to break up monopolies on things like health care, not BECOME the monopoly.

I'm asking you, do you think health care should be decided by the investors?

 

[RKMBrown]

Other than government run medicaid, and government run medicare, and government run veterans health care, and government mismanagement of insurance companies, and government mandates on hospitals to provide free care to illegals and people who don't want to pay and charge paying customers extra to cover those costs... what was wrong with our HC?

Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement
W A S H I N G T O N, Dec. 14
Michael J. Sniffen


The Healthcare Company-HCA, the nation’s largest for-profit hospital chain, agreed today to plead guilty to defrauding government health-care programs and will pay more than $840 million in criminal fines, civil penalties and damages.

The agreement reached after a seven-year federal investigation triggered by private whistleblowers is the largest government fraud settlement ever negotiated by the Justice Department.

The company agreed to cooperate with a continuing investigation that Attorney General Janet Reno said could still produce criminal charges against individuals in what Deputy Assistant FBI Director Thomas Kubic called “one of the FBI’s highest priority white-collar crime investigations.”

The agreement did not settle civil allegations that HCA unlawfully charged the government for the costs of running its hospitals and that it paid kickbacks to doctors so they would refer Medicare and Medicaid patients to its facilities.

The two HCA units that pleaded guilty — Columbia Homecare Group Inc. and Columbia Management Companies Inc. — agreed to pay more than $95 million in criminal fines and were barred from further participation in federal health-care programs.

Separately, HCA agreed to pay $745 million in civil penalties for its alleged false billing practices — a figure negotiated last spring but not finalized until the criminal settlement was announced today.

Reno: Fraud Hurts

“Health care fraud impacts every American citizen,” Reno told a news conference. “If you overbill the U.S. taxpayer, then we are going to make you pay it back and then some.”

She said it was the largest health-care fraud investigation in history, involving 30 U.S. attorney’s offices, 22 FBI field offices, inspectors general from the Health and Human Service Department and the Office of Personnel Management, Defense Department investigators and state fraud units.

HCA co-founder and chief executive Thomas Frist Jr., the brother of U.S. Sen. Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said from the company’s Nashville headquarters: “Today’s action represents one of the last steps needed to put the Columbia investigation behind us and allows us to move forward, maintaining our focus on providing quality patient care.”

Frist ousted Richard L. Scott as chief executive in July 1997 and began a restructuring of the company. HCA got out of the home health-care business and sold or consolidated more than 100 hospitals. The chain currently has about 200 hospitals.
Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement - ABC News

The above is for-profit from 2001

89 Of U.s. Hospitals Found Double-billing For Inpatient Care The Justice Department Has Demanded Refunds To Medicare And Patients. At Issue Are Tests Given During The 72 Hours Before Admission. - Philly.com

CLINIC STING NETS 18 Russian mob in 3M insurance scam feds say - NY Daily News

Hospice Patients Alliance - hospice fraud hospice scams and how to avoid them

This is just the level of fraud before. Note that when healthcare started moving towards for profit that the investors came before patients. Still do. But, those for profit hospitals and medical care could police their own, amiright? Profit over people. Choosing your own doctor? Lost that with the health care reform in the 90s. It's called managed care. HPOs, PPOs, POS.

Lobbied for by...........ding ding ding.......the insurance companies.


So, 95% of people had insurance through the workforce in 1978 and that declined to 14% by 1998. Lower income people couldn't get access to it. People were deliberately cut off at 35 hours so that they couldn't acquire the crap ass insurance that was carried. Two jobs and sometimes three jobs were necessary to make ends meet. This of course put them over the line to qualify for aid or even the sliding scale fee. So, it cost $80 to walk into the door of a clinic. Could not get testing or pay for a prescription.

Side note: What is really fun is listening to people recognize the ability to negotiate with larger groups of people and then trash unions. Hi-larious. Fun stuff.

And watch out for what's next. Kids not able to get that testing? Watch them shut down satellite offices for clinics in the health departments and send the nurses out to the school. They won't bat an eye. You won't either.

Would you like to learn about medicaid divorces?

How is this news?

Being a Democrat, I face the criticisms all the time:
If you KNOW the health care system is corrupt, the public school system,
the public housing system, WHY KEEP GIVING MORE MONEY AND MORE CONTROL to them
when there isn't adequate CHECK on "pseudo-govt" institutions
that mix public with private and CREATE these disasters. like duh!

Please see my previous post.
Republicans blame Democrats for setting up a failed system so they won't support that,
while Democrats blame Republicans for making it fail by NOT supporting it.

If you don't agree to support it, then don't use govt for that.
And then whatever you do set up, will have support of everyone to work!
Is that so foreign?
The idea that if everyone is behind something, then they'l help make it work,
but if they don't believe in something you can't force it on them.

Why not stick to what all people agree will work and define/limit
government to reflect the WILL or CONSENT of the PEOPLE.

I guess that just makes too much sense, and can't be twisted around and sold for votes....

Cut the shit. You're not a democrat. You're a whatever is useful at the moment.

Try what again.

Medical care is profit driven.

Point? Do think doctors, nurses, and scientists, working in the medical field should work for free?

That misses the mark. In fact, it distorts the picture.

The question is........do you think health care should be decided by the investors?

We have always had a mixed market economy.

Are you actually asking me if it should be legal to have private investments in health care improvements and research?

Government's job is to break up monopolies on things like health care, not BECOME the monopoly.

I'm asking you, do you think health care should be decided by the investors?

Your strawman is nonsensical. It is equivalent to asking if picking one's nose should be decided by investors.

 

[emilynghiem]

Other than government run medicaid, and government run medicare, and government run veterans health care, and government mismanagement of insurance companies, and government mandates on hospitals to provide free care to illegals and people who don't want to pay and charge paying customers extra to cover those costs... what was wrong with our HC?

Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement
W A S H I N G T O N, Dec. 14
Michael J. Sniffen


The Healthcare Company-HCA, the nation’s largest for-profit hospital chain, agreed today to plead guilty to defrauding government health-care programs and will pay more than $840 million in criminal fines, civil penalties and damages.

The agreement reached after a seven-year federal investigation triggered by private whistleblowers is the largest government fraud settlement ever negotiated by the Justice Department.

The company agreed to cooperate with a continuing investigation that Attorney General Janet Reno said could still produce criminal charges against individuals in what Deputy Assistant FBI Director Thomas Kubic called “one of the FBI’s highest priority white-collar crime investigations.”

The agreement did not settle civil allegations that HCA unlawfully charged the government for the costs of running its hospitals and that it paid kickbacks to doctors so they would refer Medicare and Medicaid patients to its facilities.

The two HCA units that pleaded guilty — Columbia Homecare Group Inc. and Columbia Management Companies Inc. — agreed to pay more than $95 million in criminal fines and were barred from further participation in federal health-care programs.

Separately, HCA agreed to pay $745 million in civil penalties for its alleged false billing practices — a figure negotiated last spring but not finalized until the criminal settlement was announced today.

Reno: Fraud Hurts

“Health care fraud impacts every American citizen,” Reno told a news conference. “If you overbill the U.S. taxpayer, then we are going to make you pay it back and then some.”

She said it was the largest health-care fraud investigation in history, involving 30 U.S. attorney’s offices, 22 FBI field offices, inspectors general from the Health and Human Service Department and the Office of Personnel Management, Defense Department investigators and state fraud units.

HCA co-founder and chief executive Thomas Frist Jr., the brother of U.S. Sen. Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said from the company’s Nashville headquarters: “Today’s action represents one of the last steps needed to put the Columbia investigation behind us and allows us to move forward, maintaining our focus on providing quality patient care.”

Frist ousted Richard L. Scott as chief executive in July 1997 and began a restructuring of the company. HCA got out of the home health-care business and sold or consolidated more than 100 hospitals. The chain currently has about 200 hospitals.
Feds Reach Largest Government Fraud Settlement - ABC News

The above is for-profit from 2001

89 Of U.s. Hospitals Found Double-billing For Inpatient Care The Justice Department Has Demanded Refunds To Medicare And Patients. At Issue Are Tests Given During The 72 Hours Before Admission. - Philly.com

CLINIC STING NETS 18 Russian mob in 3M insurance scam feds say - NY Daily News

Hospice Patients Alliance - hospice fraud hospice scams and how to avoid them

This is just the level of fraud before. Note that when healthcare started moving towards for profit that the investors came before patients. Still do. But, those for profit hospitals and medical care could police their own, amiright? Profit over people. Choosing your own doctor? Lost that with the health care reform in the 90s. It's called managed care. HPOs, PPOs, POS.

Lobbied for by...........ding ding ding.......the insurance companies.


So, 95% of people had insurance through the workforce in 1978 and that declined to 14% by 1998. Lower income people couldn't get access to it. People were deliberately cut off at 35 hours so that they couldn't acquire the crap ass insurance that was carried. Two jobs and sometimes three jobs were necessary to make ends meet. This of course put them over the line to qualify for aid or even the sliding scale fee. So, it cost $80 to walk into the door of a clinic. Could not get testing or pay for a prescription.

Side note: What is really fun is listening to people recognize the ability to negotiate with larger groups of people and then trash unions. Hi-larious. Fun stuff.

And watch out for what's next. Kids not able to get that testing? Watch them shut down satellite offices for clinics in the health departments and send the nurses out to the school. They won't bat an eye. You won't either.

Would you like to learn about medicaid divorces?

How is this news?

Being a Democrat, I face the criticisms all the time:
If you KNOW the health care system is corrupt, the public school system,
the public housing system, WHY KEEP GIVING MORE MONEY AND MORE CONTROL to them
when there isn't adequate CHECK on "pseudo-govt" institutions
that mix public with private and CREATE these disasters. like duh!

Please see my previous post.
Republicans blame Democrats for setting up a failed system so they won't support that,
while Democrats blame Republicans for making it fail by NOT supporting it.

If you don't agree to support it, then don't use govt for that.
And then whatever you do set up, will have support of everyone to work!
Is that so foreign?
The idea that if everyone is behind something, then they'l help make it work,
but if they don't believe in something you can't force it on them.

Why not stick to what all people agree will work and define/limit
government to reflect the WILL or CONSENT of the PEOPLE.

I guess that just makes too much sense, and can't be twisted around and sold for votes....

Cut the shit. You're not a democrat. You're a whatever is useful at the moment.

Try what again.

Medical care is profit driven.

Point? Do think doctors, nurses, and scientists, working in the medical field should work for free?

That misses the mark. In fact, it distorts the picture.

The question is........do you think health care should be decided by the investors?

We have always had a mixed market economy.

Are you actually asking me if it should be legal to have private investments in health care improvements and research?

Government's job is to break up monopolies on things like health care, not BECOME the monopoly.

I'm asking you, do you think health care should be decided by the investors?

If you're asking me
I think individuals should decide their own health care
and if they go through a collective system they should choose that also, similar to choosing a church, religion or belief.

health care rights is a belief
free market choice is a belief

So if people BELIEVE in going through business or investors that's THEIR choice

that shouldn't affect people who want to go through nonprofits, or through medical school programs.

Do you see where we are going wrong?

It's like taking one approach, like Christianity or Catholics vs. Protestants,
and trying to mandate that for everyone in the country.

We wouldn't dare mandate a global policy if it was for religious beliefs.

So why don't we recognize and separate political beliefs just as equally?

We know that liberal Democrats are .like a separate denomination from conservative Republican.
We wouldn't force Baptists and Catholics to fund each other's programs or be MANDATED to follow
them or be FINED.

Why are we doing this to ourselves over health care?

If we recognize the choice of abortion and reproductive freedom should be free
of "other people's religious or political beliefs"
why aren't we respecting the choice of health care?

Why are we INSISTING on mandating it all one way

If we don't want INVESTORS deciding for us
why would we want POLITICIANS and LOBBIES deciding for us.

Do you see everyone's complaining about the same intrusion
but f rom different angles and groups they dont trust?

So why not LET people choose their affiliations and how to manage their helath care.

I propose to set it up and separate by PARTY so you can have collective bargaining
and organizational power, but without imposing on people's beliefs if you stay within your own affiliation.

You don't have to fight these battles if you stay within your own group.
So why not separate and delegate out, and quit trying to make it one way.

We don't have a national religion mandated by govt, because we trust people
to exercise their own faith. Why can't we do the same with health care, and respect religious freedom with
liberty, free market and health care choices since these are so individualized and cross into areas of
people beliefs anyway. that's why everyone keeps fighting, because govt is not supposed to go there!