Obama wants to wean us from oil and make us dependent on green

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    Specifically, the rare earths that are needed to make green energy work.

    FT.com / Commodities - Rare earth prices soar as China stocks up

    I expect to wake up one day and find we have gone to war with China over lithium. Will that be more humane than going to war over oil?
     
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    I think you are confused. It is the Saudis that want us dependent on oil. Here's a quote:

    "We don't want the West to go and find alternatives, because, clearly, the higher the price of oil goes, the more they have incentives to go and find alternatives," said Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, who is listed by Forbes as the 26th richest man in the world.

    Saudi prince calls for lower oil prices to keep U.S. dependent
     
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    You bring up an interesting point, and then make it complete nonsense by claiming that they are running out due to "green energy".

    Nearly every field of science requires rare earth elements. The "green" applications of them are tiny comparatively.
     
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    I said Obama wants to wean us from oil, how does that make me confused? Is it because I understand that every action has consequences?
     
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    Never said it wasn't, but the intent is to change that.
     
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    Where did you get that from?

    More rare earth elements go into ipods then hybrid cars.
     
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    Have you been living under a rock since Obama started running for president?

    Obama administration wants to expand clean energy manufacturing tax credits | Apollo Alliance: Clean Energy & Good Jobs

    If we start expanding green energy there will be less rare earths available for other things.
     
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    You know that "rare earths" aren't actually that "rare", right?

    Some are as common as copper.

    You are attempting to link "rare earths" to fossil fuels - a foolish thing to begin with, because rare earths go into making batteries and florescent lights, not powering them. At the end of the life of a light bulb, there's exactly as much "rare earth" elements in it as there were when the lightbulb was made. They're not consumed.

    It's like saying building cars is causing a shortage of steel or iron.
     
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    copper has dropped to its lowest point since December..anyone know why?
     
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    Imports into CHINA have dropped...
     

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