Procrustes Stretched
"intuition and imagination and intelligence"
conspiracy thread
I know, msnbc and madcow...
so those fools have justified their pay by driving you over the edge?
cool
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conspiracy thread
I know, msnbc and madcow...
Do you not realize, advocating armed rebellion against the government is against the law and probably the most un-American thing you could do. Because what it say's, is that you do not support American values.I'll fire something else at the bastards if they come around!
conspiracy thread
I know, msnbc and madcow...
so those fools have justified their pay by driving you over the edge?
cool
When it comes to down to my patriotic duty to my country, I only care about my personal responsibility to become well-informed before I enter the voting booth. The only thing I can control, is myself. I have no interest in controlling others.I believe that when our founders first set up our government they were only trying to delay what they knew would inevitably happen. Money controls government, and government ultimately becomes corrupt. There have been peaceful revolutions, but unfortunately it usually ends in bloodshed.
I agree that an informed republic would help, but that is like saying that if everyone was nice to each other there would be world peace. History repeats itself due to human nature.
The government is a reflection of us. If there is corruption in government, it's because there is corruption in our lives. If we want a better government, we first have to become a better society.
There is a reason the Founding Fathers gave the overall control of the country, to federal government. After all the shit they went to create this nation, they weren't going to give the states the right to break it up.
Obama is not on record saying any such thing. I wouldn't hold your breath on the mystery source either.
NBC News Exclusive: Drone strike white paper
Mon Feb 4, 2013
EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americans
By Michael Isikoff
National Investigative Correspondent, NBC News
A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be senior operational leaders of al-Qaida or an associated force -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S.
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NBC News Exclusive: Drone strike white paper - The Maddow Blog
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Obama is gunna take your guns!
Send your donations to the NRA to stop it
Obama is gunna take your guns!
Send your donations to the NRA to stop it
Whether or not I send a donation has no bearing on the issue.
And besides I live in Texas. Not to worried about it happening here.
It's you poor slobs in lib land who should worry.
obama believes that he has the right and the power to kill Americans under circumstances so vague that it doesn't pretend to have definition. Without trial, without evidence, without even suspicion. The strikes will be within the government's power if the intended target is a member of Al Quaeda or an Associated Force. Whatever an associated force is, in the opinion of the white house.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf
One thing you might notice. The paper initially gives the power to conduct operations only in a foreign country. A few lines down, that's struck out. As is the necessity of the associated force actually having any affiliation with Al Quaeda. As defined in the paper, they need to only be co-belligerent.
On the one hand, taking immediate action to murder American citizens without trial, evidence or even charges is understandable. We have been raising muslim terrorists for a generation within our borders. Those we haven't raised, we've happily given citizenship. We've made islamic terrorists naturalized citizens. What's more, the white house is anxious to give legal status to an unknown number of islamic militants along with millions of others, law abiding and law breaking alike.
What it comes down to, is can this president be trusted to use this power to protect the country or an excuse for further abuse?
obama believes that he has the right and the power to kill Americans under circumstances so vague that it doesn't pretend to have definition. Without trial, without evidence, without even suspicion. The strikes will be within the government's power if the intended target is a member of Al Quaeda or an Associated Force. Whatever an associated force is, in the opinion of the white house.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf
One thing you might notice. The paper initially gives the power to conduct operations only in a foreign country. A few lines down, that's struck out. As is the necessity of the associated force actually having any affiliation with Al Quaeda. As defined in the paper, they need to only be co-belligerent.
On the one hand, taking immediate action to murder American citizens without trial, evidence or even charges is understandable. We have been raising muslim terrorists for a generation within our borders. Those we haven't raised, we've happily given citizenship. We've made islamic terrorists naturalized citizens. What's more, the white house is anxious to give legal status to an unknown number of islamic militants along with millions of others, law abiding and law breaking alike.
What it comes down to, is can this president be trusted to use this power to protect the country or an excuse for further abuse?