obama to sign the UN small arms treaty July 27 2012

We will have plenty of time to read the treaty when the time comes. Then you should form your opinion. Then you can show us where you are not allowed to privately own a semi-automatic. Then you can show us when guns at home can be confiscated.

You can show us the part where:
2.Confiscate and destroy all “unauthorized” civilian firearms (exempting those owned by our government of course).


And when it becomes available, don't forget who it was that implied it was being hidden from us.

I know your selective memories will want to forget you believed there was some conspiracy to keep the treaty hidden from the public.

We'll come back to this topic when the time comes and note the date on the treaty, mm-kay?

As Conservative noted, it has yet to be finished, though a few draft provisions have led to wild speculation; it most probably will require the nation control Bush II desired:

INTERNATIONAL ARMS TRADE TREATY AIM OF DRAFT RESOLUTION APPROVED BY DISARMAMENT COMMITTEE
 
We will have plenty of time to read the treaty when the time comes. Then you should form your opinion. Then you can show us where you are not allowed to privately own a semi-automatic. Then you can show us when guns at home can be confiscated.

You can show us the part where:
2.Confiscate and destroy all “unauthorized” civilian firearms (exempting those owned by our government of course).


And when it becomes available, don't forget who it was that implied it was being hidden from us.

I know your selective memories will want to forget you believed there was some conspiracy to keep the treaty hidden from the public.

We'll come back to this topic when the time comes and note the date on the treaty, mm-kay?

As Conservative noted, it has yet to be finished, though a few draft provisions have led to wild speculation; it most probably will require the nation control Bush II desired:

INTERNATIONAL ARMS TRADE TREATY AIM OF DRAFT RESOLUTION APPROVED BY DISARMAMENT COMMITTEE
from your link
nuclear-weapon-free
 
Some on the extreme right are openly discussing treason:

Vanderboegh warns of civil war if UN small arms treaty enforced - National Conservative | Examiner.com

Frightening.

Bush was against because he thought NATIONAL controls the appropriate course, now the NRA is against it because they FEAR domestic control. Have conservatives actually read this treaty?
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a statement released by Hillary Clinton and the State Department that it was overturning the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed a proposed Arms Trade treaty on the grounds that national controls were better.

the National Rifle Association, who claim that the treaty is an attempt to circumvent the Second Amendment and similar guarantees in state constitutions in order to impose domestic gun regulations.[11]

Ya I read it---where's the part about treason ?

The man said there will be CIVIL WAR, bearing arms against one's country is TREASON.
Seems it is always treason to fight for freedom.....It was treason in 1776.....It will be treason now....Oh.wait.


Its called revolution.
 
It needs to be made a crime for legislators to ratify treaties that take away US sovereignty and supersede US law. There's cooperation and then there's abject treason. This stuff is the latter.

What next? Quartering foreign troops?

has there ever actually been a treaty signed and ratified that took away US sovereignty or superseded US laws?
Hmmmm.... I'd have to think, but off the top of my head, none yet, but more than a few have been tried. The ICC for instance, Kyoto for another.

I don't think either were both signed and ratified.
 
We will have plenty of time to read the treaty when the time comes. Then you should form your opinion. Then you can show us where you are not allowed to privately own a semi-automatic. Then you can show us when guns at home can be confiscated.

You can show us the part where:
2.Confiscate and destroy all “unauthorized” civilian firearms (exempting those owned by our government of course).


And when it becomes available, don't forget who it was that implied it was being hidden from us.

I know your selective memories will want to forget you believed there was some conspiracy to keep the treaty hidden from the public.

We'll come back to this topic when the time comes and note the date on the treaty, mm-kay?

As Conservative noted, it has yet to be finished, though a few draft provisions have led to wild speculation; it most probably will require the nation control Bush II desired:

INTERNATIONAL ARMS TRADE TREATY AIM OF DRAFT RESOLUTION APPROVED BY DISARMAMENT COMMITTEE

I see the words 'illicit trade' in there. Seems to me that the 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms would be completely unaffected by a treaty the prohibits 'illicit trade'.
 
It should be a cold day in Hell when the UN (which is comprised of many nations that despise America) has the ability to trump our Constitutional Rights, with the people we have elected running our nation based on ideology rather than the rule of Law, I'm not so sure it couldn't happen... The question is can it possibly convince a majority? I don't think so. It's a shame we have groups like the NRA that even need to spend millions of dollars protecting Rights that should be upheld without the need of special interest groups fighting to protect those Rights. There is nothing worse than elitists who feel the need to trample the Rights this nation was Founded upon, simply because they feel that they know what is best for the rest of us, and we should not question the ideologies they feel our nation should adapt over the ones the Framers of the Constitution had in mind. I believe if these people were around in the late 1700's they would have most likely been asked to leave at the business end of a bayonet.
 
Just a fair warning that obama does not have a functioning brain in and election year

Having a functioning brain is not a requisite of being President, how do you think he got elected in the first place?

Plenty of mindless minions in this country to vote him in(again).
 
Just a fair warning that obama does not have a functioning brain in and election year

Having a functioning brain is not a requisite of being President, how do you think he got elected in the first place?

Plenty of mindless minions in this country to vote him in(again).

he was elected by these type of people

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCXot2HQT00]Obama Voters - Brainwashed With Change - YouTube[/ame]
 
Don't ever say they won't come for your guns.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wfp7qBAgGM]NOLA gun confiscation - Troops told to fire on American citizens - YouTube[/ame]
 
Proposed U.N. Treaty to Regulate Global Firearms Trade Raising Concerns for U.S. Gun Makers | Fox News

A controversial U.N. proposed treaty aimed at regulating guns worldwide has been shrouded by confusion and misinformation....

“People within the U.S. should not be worried about it unless they sell arms internationally,” Collin Goddard, of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, told FoxNews.com. “The whole treaty is to prevent countries from selling guns to other countries that have gross violations of human rights.”
 
Proposed U.N. Treaty to Regulate Global Firearms Trade Raising Concerns for U.S. Gun Makers | Fox News

A controversial U.N. proposed treaty aimed at regulating guns worldwide has been shrouded by confusion and misinformation....

“People within the U.S. should not be worried about it unless they sell arms internationally,” Collin Goddard, of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, told FoxNews.com. “The whole treaty is to prevent countries from selling guns to other countries that have gross violations of human rights.”

He's wrong, how would they know a privately owned gun was illicit unless they had a record of your purchase?

How do small arms become illicit?

Sources of small arms supplies to areas of crisis and conflict are varied. Domestically, small arms can enter illicit circulation through distribution, theft, leakage, divergence, pilferage or resale. Shipments of small arms to conflict zones from abroad are most often small-scale consignments - a steady trickle of weapons across porous borders. The cumulative destabilizing force of such small-scale trade is not to be underestimated, particularly in unstable regions where small arms are traded from one conflict to another.
Marking and tracing

If national law enforcement officials were able to trace small arms back to their last legitimate owner, who might then be held accountable, this would form an effective measure against illicit trade and diversion. For that purpose, it is essential that the weapon be marked upon production and import, and that appropriate records be kept. Existing stocks should also be marked. Although many weapons are marked upon production and import, international cooperation in marking and tracing of small arms is in its infancy.
UNODA - Small Arms and Light Weapons
It's none of the UN fucking business what happens with in this country.
 
The UN and Obama will try to pass the 1st stage as an innocent looking piece of paper, then over a period of time add sanctions to it. They know that hitting us head on in a frontal attack on our Constitution won't work. So the plan would have to be subtle and sneaky. Watch for the snakes crawling on their bellies :)
 
After that, the NRA sent a crew to view the gun inventory in Baton Rouge.

It consisted basically of a bunch of rusty guns in crates with hand-written tags on them, which according to NRA Attorney Dan Holliday were added long after the time of confiscation. Holliday viewed the guns and hired a private investigator to attempt to contact the people listed on the tags, but some did not want to talk, while others stated that they actually had their guns confiscated from their homes while they were not even at the residence at the time. In addition, many people had moved.

As opposed to the city of New Orleans, in St. Tammany Parish, everyone who had filed to get their guns back received them within two weeks.

NRA Update – Gun Confiscation after Hurricane Katrina | The Right of a Nation

The City of New Orleans provided a web site to get your confiscated guns back. Like everything else their mayor did, they botched the process. But you can see that surrounding towns did return guns in a timely manner.

As for taking guns from homes that had been evacuated, that is just plain common sense. You would not want looters stealing them.
 
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Obama doesn't government he "rules" us and like a guy who isn't one of us. Well that could be said for all Marxists I suppose but the UN treaty is pretty anti American damning stuff.
 

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