Obama still wants to "Bankrupt" Coal... Denying that is to Deny Reality...

[NYcarbineer]

There's a slowdown in coal mining because coal can't compete with natural gas with the latter at low prices.

That's not Obama's fault.

I think your seriously misinformed. The EPA is systematically killing the industry.

Stop listening to the radio.

 

[daveman]

Obama's Promise the Bankrupt the Coal Industry - YouTube

He is not on the Side of the Miners...

Coal miners ask Obama to stop

And they are not on his Side.



peace...

Well, if you need reality denied -- call an Obama supporter.

 

[daveman]

How many old videos can we take out of context this week??

This is why Romney is going to lose.

Thanks for proving my last post correct.

Obama lied to you, nut.

And you eagerly swallow it.

 

[P@triot]

That's the good news - the coal industry (right down to the worker in the mine) is well aware of Obama's war on their livelihood.

I have some connections to several mines in West Virginia which supports the entire economy of the towns they reside in, and the people there are die-hard Democrats. All of them have turned on Obama like rabid pitt-bulls and are committed to defeating him.

Obama is going to lose in one of the biggest landslides in US history. By 2010, he had lost so much of the dumbocrat party, that Bill Clinton was trying to convince Hillary to run against him in 2012. What else needs to be said?

 

[daveman]

There's a slowdown in coal mining because coal can't compete with natural gas with the latter at low prices.

That's not Obama's fault.

I think your seriously misinformed. The EPA is systematically killing the industry.

Stop listening to the radio.

Yes! You're being exposed to dangerous, doubleplusungood Thoughtcrime!

You should watch only MSDNC and receive your officially-sanctioned opinions. And enjoy the Two Minutes Hate.

Remember: We have always been at war with Eastasia.

 

[P@triot]

For U.S. power plant operators, the economics of natural gas may have already dethroned coal as the nation's key source of electrical power.

As always, you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. First of all, since when does the Obama Administration support natural gas?!? They have blocked every form of natural resources in favor of funneling money to their special interest groups in the "green energy" (fantasy bullshit) sector.

The Obama Administration blocked the Keystone Pipeline (oil, not coal). The Obama Administration blocked offshore drilling (oil, not coal). The Obama Administration has blocked fracking (natural gas, not coal).

But that aside, no industry has been more targeted by the terrorist organization known as the EPA and the Obama Administration as the coal industry. And that's why the miners have turned on Obama and are supporting Romney now

 

[The Irish Ram]

Obama just shut ours down two weeks ago.
And it had nothing to do with natural gas. (With which we are over run).
After millions spent on clean air upgrades, the EPA couldn't detect a level of mercury. It was too low to measure. Good right? But the EPA requires a number and the plant couldn't produce one, so they shut it down, which in turn will financially devastate the town it is in and the two closest to it.
For all of you cap and trade greenies, I just grabbed tonight's paper so I can list the "potential to discharge" permit the EPA just gave Chesapeake Gas:
And I quote:
"We will be discharging various amounts of
carbon dioxide
nitrogen oxideS
carbon monoxide
benzene
methane
xyleneS
toluene
formaldehyde."

Obama is bankrupting the coal industry, exactly the way he said he was going to. Why don't you believe him?

 

[bripat9643]

There's a slowdown in coal mining because coal can't compete with natural gas with the latter at low prices.

That's not Obama's fault.

That isn't why you shut down coal fire power plants that are already in operation. Building a gas fire replace will always cost more than keeping the existing plant running.

Apparently not. I have friends in the Boilermakers and right now most of their work is coming from converting coal fired plants to natural gas, so there must some profit in the conversion!

Of course there is profit for the company doing the conversion, but that doesn't prove that the power company saves money by shutting down a perfectly serviceable coal fired power plant.

There's a reason some people make a living by welding steam pipes together while others make a living making financial decisions for major corporations. You belong in the former category.

 

[GWV5903]

Did you see this press release put out by the coal company in Ohio who were used in an Obama ad that was insinuating they were forced to attend a Romney rally held on their grounds. Very well stated, and I'm glad they came out and spoke publically about the lies being told. I think Romney is going to win Ohio. A little long, but worth watching. These people are taking Obama's war on coal very seriously.

Miners Fight Back Against Obama TV Ad: "Absolute Lies" - YouTube

Obamanation is going down!!!

Sleepless nights at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue...

How bad does it suck to be in the same boat as Carter???

 

[edthecynic]

For U.S. power plant operators, the economics of natural gas may have already dethroned coal as the nation's key source of electrical power.

As always, you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. First of all, since when does the Obama Administration support natural gas?!? They have blocked every form of natural resources in favor of funneling money to their special interest groups in the "green energy" (fantasy bullshit) sector.

The Obama Administration blocked the Keystone Pipeline (oil, not coal). The Obama Administration blocked offshore drilling (oil, not coal). The Obama Administration has blocked fracking (natural gas, not coal).

But that aside, no industry has been more targeted by the terrorist organization known as the EPA and the Obama Administration as the coal industry. And that's why the miners have turned on Obama and are supporting Romney now

Don't you ever get tired of lying?

 

[edthecynic]

That isn't why you shut down coal fire power plants that are already in operation. Building a gas fire replace will always cost more than keeping the existing plant running.

Apparently not. I have friends in the Boilermakers and right now most of their work is coming from converting coal fired plants to natural gas, so there must some profit in the conversion!

Of course there is profit for the company doing the conversion, but that doesn't prove that the power company saves money by shutting down a perfectly serviceable coal fired power plant.

There's a reason some people make a living by welding steam pipes together while others make a living making financial decisions for major corporations. You belong in the former category.

The key word is "serviceable." Coal fired plants need a lot of servicing, and for not much more than the cost of a major servicing it can be converted to natural gas.

 

[The Irish Ram]

I am in Ohio and going to town one route and home another route I have seen 2 Obama signs and about 20 Romney/Ryan and another 20 "stop the war on coal" signs within a 20 mile radius.
This is a big time labor union state, but unions aren't worth a damn if there is no job to stand up for. Our steel mill taught us that!
There is a silent vote in Ohio that hasn't been polled, or interviewed, so I am anxious to see where Ohio ends up in this election. In fact 2 Romney signs just popped up in the yards of both of the farms I am located between. Both men were hoping to retire in 2 years from the plant that was just closed.
Oh and our electric bills are necessarily about to sky rocket.........

 

[SuMar]

How many old videos can we take out of context this week??

This is why Romney is going to lose.

What part was taken out of context?

Mandatory - Obama for America TV Ad - YouTube​

Fail on your part..

 

[P@triot]

Former Obama supporters experiencing "buyers remorse"...

My Buyers Remorse

 

[bripat9643]

The key word is "serviceable." Coal fired plants need a lot of servicing, and for not much more than the cost of a major servicing it can be converted to natural gas.

I have a hard time believing it's that cheap or that a converted plant is anywhere near as efficient as a purpose built plant.

Show us the proof.

 

[edthecynic]

The key word is "serviceable." Coal fired plants need a lot of servicing, and for not much more than the cost of a major servicing it can be converted to natural gas.

I have a hard time believing it's that cheap or that a converted plant is anywhere near as efficient as a purpose built plant.

Show us the proof.

Learn to google.

Xcel Energy Unveils Plan To Convert Coal Plant To Natural Gas

DENVER — Xcel Energy is proposing to spend $1.3 billion to convert coal-fired power plants to natural gas and close a plant to comply with a new Colorado law aimed at cutting pollution from power plants.

Xcel Energy, Colorado's largest electric utility, said the plan released Friday will help meet statewide goals of reducing emissions of nitrogen, carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide and mercury. The company said it will also save $225 million compared to installing pollution-control equipment.


Coal plant conversion projects - SourceWatch

Although conversion costs can be expensive, utilities already have the facilities sited and water supply and transmission lines established. Converting existing facilities can often cost less than installing the emissions control systems required to keep an antiquated coal plant running.[2]

 

[editec]

Coal is losing cutomers because natural gas is coming on line and its cheaper, and CLEANER to burn, too.


But still the coal mining industry looks pretty healthy thanks to EXPORTS.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

There's really good posts here all around.

I'd much rather see coal jobs lost due to increased natural gas usage than EPA regulations and Obama pipe dreams.

....And, you don't see the relationship between these two, huh?

 

[sfcalifornia]

Coal is losing cutomers because natural gas is coming on line and its cheaper, and CLEANER to burn, too.


But still the coal mining industry looks pretty healthy thanks to EXPORTS.

I hope one of these days, we are able to look back and laugh at the way we used to burn that filthy stuff. We need to make coal obsolete. We need to find cleaner energy sources, develop cleaner technology and export that to other countries. In other words, lead by example.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

There's a slowdown in coal mining because coal can't compete with natural gas with the latter at low prices.

That's not Obama's fault.

That isn't why you shut down coal fire power plants that are already in operation. Building a gas fire replace will always cost more than keeping the existing plant running.

Ah, yes.....let's wait until all the old-timey shit permanently breaks-down.....before we start looking at all the other options.

Great thinkin', there!!