Obama repackages stimulus plans with old promises

[oreo]

White House Solar Panel Goes on Display at Carter Library
1979 Effort to Encourage Alternative Energy Sources Became “Road Not Taken”
Atlanta,

http://www.jimmycarterlibrary.org/newsreleases/2007/07-18.pdf

I didn't say that oreo in an attempt to me suggest he had powered the entire White House with one, but more or less to suggest he did act upon his beliefs.

It's at the Carter library now. Sorry--I did not remember that.

To let everyone know I am an electrical contractor & have installed solar panels. Today's models only average about 4 watts per hour per panel. To completely--get off the grid depends strickly on the size of home you have. To give an example a typical vacumn cleaner today is 15 to 20 watts of power required.

Most of the homes that we have wired & installed that are completely off the grid are no larger that 500 sq feet. For a 2000 Sq. foot home you would be looking at another 1/4 acre of land needed & panels stacked 30 feet high to accomodate this size of home.

To get truly energy independent in this country we need nuclear power. Something that Obama is against & has been against. The only time he is for it, is when his teleprompter tells him to be. Notice that there was not one single penny in this stimulus bill for nuclear power plant construction. Only 11 billion was dedicated to power grid changes to accomodate wind power--when the experts stated they needed 110 billion to complete the infracstructure.

Once more we are not drilling for our own energy sources for oil & natural gas. Why? Because of the current administration--who mistakenly believes that we can do all this with wind & solar which is absolutely FALSE.

 

[Just A Man]

To get truly energy independent in this country we need nuclear power. Something that Obama is against & has been against. The only time he is for it, is when his teleprompter tells him to be. Notice that there was not one single penny in this stimulus bill for nuclear power plant construction. Only 11 billion was dedicated to power grid changes to accomodate wind power--when the experts stated they needed 110 billion to complete the infracstructure.

Once more we are not drilling for our own energy sources for oil & natural gas. Why? Because of the current administration--who mistakenly believes that we can do all this with wind & solar which is absolutely FALSE.

Wouldn't it be great if every average size town and city in the U.S started building a nuke power plant. We have nuke powered ships -- Can we have a nuke powered train? How about nuke powered 18-wheelers? Let a computer control them. From there we could move to nuke powered autos. Then we could tell the arabs to kiss our grits. We put a man on the moon, lets convert all oil energy machinery to nuke.

 

[Navy1960]

$44 million for repairs at the Agriculture Department headquarters in Washington.

$200 million to rehabilitate the National Mall.

$360 million for new child care centers at military bases.

$1.8 billion to repair National Park Service facilities.

$276 million to update technology at the State Department.

$500 million for the Transportation Security Administration to install bomb detectors at airports.

$600 million for General Services Administration to replace older vehicles with alternative fuel vehicles.

$2.5 billion to upgrade low-income housing.

$400 million for NASA scientists to conduct climate change research.

$426 million to construct facilities at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

$800 million to clean up Superfund sites.

$150 million for the Coast Guard to repair or remove bridges deemed a hazard to navigation.

$6.7 billion to renovate and improve energy efficiency at federal buildings.

$400 million to replace the Social Security Administration's 30-year-old National Computer Center.
Economic stimulus or just more pork?

What I really enjoyed reading was some of the run up to this bill and the 4 million jobs claim and now the number is what again 150,000 now thats what I call a revision. Your both exactly right on the nuclear power issue and in other threads I talk about this issue quite a bit, but even you factor it into the Stimulus how many nuclear power plants could have been built with a trillion dollars and how many jobs and I mean long term ones would that have created not to mention the reduction in Co2.

 

[jillian]

so all those things you posted don't equal jobs?

interesting... seems to me they'd keep the economy rocking.

but why would their be nuclear power until we figure out what to do with the waste?

 

[Navy1960]

love to debate the issue with you jillian have always loved out debates in the past but think it should be done on a different thread though. As for jobs, I personally don't think what I listed above will created many jobs no, while it will create a few yes, when you offest that with job losses in just about every sector of the economy it doesnt amount to much at all. Someone earlier indicated above and I happend to agree , that perhaps it would have been better to distribute the so called stimulus among all the taxpayers and let them stimulate the economy rather than say send 30 million dollars to study wetlands mice in California.

 

[Just A Man]

so all those things you posted don't equal jobs?

Well Julian -- the unemployment is rising, you figure it out. Bush would have cut taxes as he did before.

interesting... seems to me they'd keep the economy rocking.

Again Julian -- unemployment, home foreclosures, bankruptcies, 4X budget deficit, gasoline price rising, banks failing. So much for the economy. Bush would have cut taxes as he did before.

but why would there be nuclear power until we figure out what to do with the waste?

Well Julian -- when the waste starts piling up you can bet your boots we'll figure out a way. And someone will probably make money disposing of it. It's the American way.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

White House Solar Panel Goes on Display at Carter Library
1979 Effort to Encourage Alternative Energy Sources Became “Road Not Taken”
Atlanta,

http://www.jimmycarterlibrary.org/newsreleases/2007/07-18.pdf

I didn't say that oreo in an attempt to me suggest he had powered the entire White House with one, but more or less to suggest he did act upon his beliefs.

It's at the Carter library now. Sorry--I did not remember that.

To let everyone know I am an electrical contractor & have installed solar panels. Today's models only average about 4 watts per hour per panel. To completely--get off the grid depends strickly on the size of home you have. To give an example a typical vacumn cleaner today is 15 to 20 watts of power required.

Most of the homes that we have wired & installed that are completely off the grid are no larger that 500 sq feet. For a 2000 Sq. foot home you would be looking at another 1/4 acre of land needed & panels stacked 30 feet high to accomodate this size of home.

To get truly energy independent in this country we need nuclear power. Something that Obama is against & has been against. The only time he is for it, is when his teleprompter tells him to be. Notice that there was not one single penny in this stimulus bill for nuclear power plant construction. Only 11 billion was dedicated to power grid changes to accomodate wind power--when the experts stated they needed 110 billion to complete the infracstructure.

Once more we are not drilling for our own energy sources for oil & natural gas. Why? Because of the current administration--who mistakenly believes that we can do all this with wind & solar which is absolutely FALSE.

"mistaken" my ass...

...control is the objective....

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23356.html

 

[oreo]

White House Solar Panel Goes on Display at Carter Library
1979 Effort to Encourage Alternative Energy Sources Became “Road Not Taken”
Atlanta,

http://www.jimmycarterlibrary.org/newsreleases/2007/07-18.pdf

I didn't say that oreo in an attempt to me suggest he had powered the entire White House with one, but more or less to suggest he did act upon his beliefs.

It's at the Carter library now. Sorry--I did not remember that.

To let everyone know I am an electrical contractor & have installed solar panels. Today's models only average about 4 watts per hour per panel. To completely--get off the grid depends strickly on the size of home you have. To give an example a typical vacumn cleaner today is 15 to 20 watts of power required.

Most of the homes that we have wired & installed that are completely off the grid are no larger that 500 sq feet. For a 2000 Sq. foot home you would be looking at another 1/4 acre of land needed & panels stacked 30 feet high to accomodate this size of home.

To get truly energy independent in this country we need nuclear power. Something that Obama is against & has been against. The only time he is for it, is when his teleprompter tells him to be. Notice that there was not one single penny in this stimulus bill for nuclear power plant construction. Only 11 billion was dedicated to power grid changes to accomodate wind power--when the experts stated they needed 110 billion to complete the infracstructure.

Once more we are not drilling for our own energy sources for oil & natural gas. Why? Because of the current administration--who mistakenly believes that we can do all this with wind & solar which is absolutely FALSE.

"mistaken" my ass...

...control is the objective....

Climate bill a pain in the gas - Rep. Darrell Issa - POLITICO.com

Yes--but who wants control over total failure?

"The problem with socialism is that government eventually runs out of other peoples money" Margaret Thatcher

 

[jreeves]

I want a job as a paid spammer.

I could do a much better job defending the neocons agenda than most of the lunatics on this board do, ya' know.

you can contact the RNC which clearly needs the help. their press release propagandaafter the Obama's came to NYC was pretty lame.

Yeah why bitch about the waste I mean we already have a 1.8 trillion dollar deficit this year. What the hell let him take her around the world on the Chinese government. I mean broadway shows, Paris dining in the Effel tower...after all the economy is great and people don't need their government officials to be prudent with taxpayer dollars.

 

[MaggieMae]

Does anyone believe this guy anymore?

We had to rush the spending/stimulus bill into signing even though 100% of Congress had not read the whole thing and only 5% has has been spent.... WTF? If it was such an emergency why isn't the money being spent????



My Way News - Obama repackages stimulus plans with old promises

First off, the bogus claim that Congress didn't read the stim bill has always been a hilarious subject. They certainly read enough to cherry pick out the parts they could use while on camera saying they hadn't read it!!! Hello?

Second, blame red tape machinations on the usual Washington bureaucracy. The "emergency" was getting the stim bill through the House, the Senate, conference, back to the House for appropriations. Duh... It had less to do with how "fast" a new road got built once the money was forthcoming. Now that there's a problem, it's being fixed. So what's YOUR problem? Obama should have done nothing about the lag time?

 

[MaggieMae]

Does anyone believe this guy anymore?

We had to rush the spending/stimulus bill into signing even though 100% of Congress had not read the whole thing and only 5% has has been spent.... WTF? If it was such an emergency why isn't the money being spent????



My Way News - Obama repackages stimulus plans with old promises

Why?

Because some of us understand this, maybe?

"It takes time to organize projects, to get the bids in, the funds out and the work started," said Nigel Gault, chief U.S. economist at IHS Global Insight.

Some of us also understand the VAST MAJORITY of the money will NEVER be used for new projects at all. And the tired old lie that the projects were all SHOVEL READY would be proven yet again. You do REMEMBER Obama making this claim RIGHT?

Oh horseshit. My rather small state had two shovel-ready projects that got underway almost within 24 ours of receiving stimulus money. States and their own bureaucracies are to blame for a lot of the holdup. One of the road projects back up and running is one I have to allot an additional 15 minutes to get around, which I've been doing for almost two months.

If you want to see actual progress on individual projects, you can check this site occasionally. Maybe it will at least temporarily shut you up until you find the next subject to glom onto and spin.

Stimulus Watch: Keeping an Eye on Economic Recovery Spending

 

[MaggieMae]

Does anyone believe this guy anymore?

We had to rush the spending/stimulus bill into signing even though 100% of Congress had not read the whole thing and only 5% has has been spent.... WTF? If it was such an emergency why isn't the money being spent????



My Way News - Obama repackages stimulus plans with old promises

I believe a 59 percent approval rating gives you the obvious answer to the bolded question. I don't believe in/approve of hiim, but it's clear many do.

Remembering some of the interviews of some of the Obama supporters being bussed to polling stations I'm not sure half of these people know anything about Obama... Go figure...

And you do. Oh, okay.

 

[MaggieMae]

Does anyone believe this guy anymore?

We had to rush the spending/stimulus bill into signing even though 100% of Congress had not read the whole thing and only 5% has has been spent.... WTF? If it was such an emergency why isn't the money being spent????



My Way News - Obama repackages stimulus plans with old promises

I believe a 59 percent approval rating gives you the obvious answer to the bolded question. I don't believe in/approve of hiim, but it's clear many do.

You're watching his poll numbers DROP. Originally his "popularity" opinion poll based on "likeability" alone was in the high 70's. When pollsters are asked about his "policies" versus his "likeability"--it's a much different story.

In fact right now 51% of Americans do not like his handeling of the budget deficit--& all this government spending. That's a negative for him.

Wait until they get their tax bill to pay for all of this spending. It's coming--NO ONE is going to escape higher taxes.

Obama can't just raise taxes willy-nilly. Grow a brain.

 

[AllieBaba]

"The federal deficit is on pace to explode past $1.8 trillion this year, more than four times last year's all-time high. The record borrowing is credited with pushing up interest rates, which could imperil chances for a recovery later in the year."

Yeah, Obama's great for the economy. Even the Dems are freaked out.

"Rep. Dennis Moore, D-Kan., said the House is likely to pass Obama's latest proposal next month. The plan faces far tougher sledding in the Senate, where Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, D-N.D., has expressed serious reservations.

Conrad said Obama's proposal does nothing about the fiscal perils the country already faces, including deficits that the Congressional Budget Office predicts will average nearly $1 trillion a year over the next decade.

"I remain concerned about the potential effect of this proposal on American farmers, seniors and veterans," said Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., chairman of the Senate Finance Committee."



Obama: It's OK to borrow to pay for health care - Yahoo! Finance

 

[MaggieMae]

oreo, exactly and still proves my point that the only thing the stimulus is stimulating are the people who supported the Obama campaign and this was the payback so to speak. I do like the marketing campaign though, sort of neatly packaged to make it appear like it will create jobs. I wonder how many jobs the stimulus package would have created if they would have just divided that money up and sent it to the taxpayers? Now theres a novel idea huh?, let people decide their own fate and financial future.

I've heard that option a lot. A large part of the reason this country was in economic freefall is because individuals spent way beyond their means. So you would want them to receive an additional, say $20,000 cash to blow? Once it was gone, then what?

 

[MaggieMae]

elvis, I honestly think that the gap between those that agree with him and those that disagree is getting wider. However, from a domestic point of view it sort of reminds me of Jimmy Carter a little, he had many fervent followers as well, and as time passed fewer and fewer but the most loyal followers could be found. This was due to the trainwreck the economy was in after the end of his first term. I personally don't care how appealing he his, if the economy is a disaster after his first term he will have a hard time getting a second term.

Obama has said on several occasions that if what he is doing fails, you can look for another president. He has also said that he won't stop trying to move the economy back on track, which probably will mean eliminating what isn't working and trying other approaches.

For the umpteenth time, what do the Republicans have to offer? Massive tax CUTS? Explain how that won't also expand the deficit. No bank bailouts? What would have happened to the trickle-down to smaller community banks, then to small businesses who depend on credit, and individuals who depend on car loans and the like? No prop up for GM and Chrysler? That would have meant around 100,000 additional unemployed all collecting unemployment compensation and welfare assistance until they found work. And where would that work be?

I agree that the 2010 budget, which would include deficit creating health care and energy, should be pared down considerably. Maybe even leave energy alone (and, sigh, education) until the next fiscal year. But I do think that a health bill that basically gives all Americans the OPTION to stay with their own providers or opt for government health insurance needs to get passed this year. If it's put off again, we can look forward to year after year of skyrocketing private health care costs ,averaging 7% a year, which will bankrupt most of us anyway.

 

[Navy1960]

Personallly Maggie I would have preferred that 0.00 dollars be handed out to anyone in the guise of a stimulus. The point of the posting was, is that people are better able to decide for themselves how to stimulate their individual enconmic situations than the Federal Govt. is. As for what the Stimulus is, its very plain what it is, it's political payback and pork for all those who supported the Obama campaign. Which is fine to the victor goes the spoils so to speak, but simply call it what it is rather than an econimic stimulus which it clearly is not.

 

[Navy1960]

As for having to offer anything, I would have suggested leaving GM and Chrysler to their own devices and let the bankruptcy courts decide what was best. I personally believe that the result would have been much better for all concerned and and economy in much better shape that it is today. I feel the exact same way about AIG as well. If WorldCom and Texaco can go through Bankruptcy proceedings as well ad many of the Airlines several times over and we survived all of those, there is no reason to believe that we could not have survived a backruptcy by GM and Chrysler without Govt. interference. I suppose I am not one to condemn people or companies for making a profit. This country used to call that being successful, now its considered some for of being evil. I do believe that tax cuts work, they worked for JFK, Reagan, and yes even the hated dare I say it Bush. Contrary to this stigma that has been attached to them where only wealthy get tax cuts. Funny, how the same people who all got checks last year were the same ones screaming at Bush for tax cuts to the wealthy. The facts are actually very simple Maggie, through over regulation, over indulgence, graft, and a mentality of wanting something for nothing in this country we find ourselves where we are today. The way to fix it is not by adding more regulation, more indulgence, and more graft. The way to fix it is to provide a path for Americans to fix it themselves.

 

[AllieBaba]

elvis, I honestly think that the gap between those that agree with him and those that disagree is getting wider. However, from a domestic point of view it sort of reminds me of Jimmy Carter a little, he had many fervent followers as well, and as time passed fewer and fewer but the most loyal followers could be found. This was due to the trainwreck the economy was in after the end of his first term. I personally don't care how appealing he his, if the economy is a disaster after his first term he will have a hard time getting a second term.

Obama has said on several occasions that if what he is doing fails, you can look for another president. He has also said that he won't stop trying to move the economy back on track, which probably will mean eliminating what isn't working and trying other approaches.

For the umpteenth time, what do the Republicans have to offer? Massive tax CUTS? Explain how that won't also expand the deficit. No bank bailouts? What would have happened to the trickle-down to smaller community banks, then to small businesses who depend on credit, and individuals who depend on car loans and the like? No prop up for GM and Chrysler? That would have meant around 100,000 additional unemployed all collecting unemployment compensation and welfare assistance until they found work. And where would that work be?

I agree that the 2010 budget, which would include deficit creating health care and energy, should be pared down considerably. Maybe even leave energy alone (and, sigh, education) until the next fiscal year. But I do think that a health bill that basically gives all Americans the OPTION to stay with their own providers or opt for government health insurance needs to get passed this year. If it's put off again, we can look forward to year after year of skyrocketing private health care costs ,averaging 7% a year, which will bankrupt most of us anyway.

How the hell do tax cuts expand the deficit?
Hellow?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

It's at the Carter library now. Sorry--I did not remember that.

To let everyone know I am an electrical contractor & have installed solar panels. Today's models only average about 4 watts per hour per panel. To completely--get off the grid depends strickly on the size of home you have. To give an example a typical vacumn cleaner today is 15 to 20 watts of power required.

Most of the homes that we have wired & installed that are completely off the grid are no larger that 500 sq feet. For a 2000 Sq. foot home you would be looking at another 1/4 acre of land needed & panels stacked 30 feet high to accomodate this size of home.

To get truly energy independent in this country we need nuclear power. Something that Obama is against & has been against. The only time he is for it, is when his teleprompter tells him to be. Notice that there was not one single penny in this stimulus bill for nuclear power plant construction. Only 11 billion was dedicated to power grid changes to accomodate wind power--when the experts stated they needed 110 billion to complete the infracstructure.

Once more we are not drilling for our own energy sources for oil & natural gas. Why? Because of the current administration--who mistakenly believes that we can do all this with wind & solar which is absolutely FALSE.

"mistaken" my ass...

...control is the objective....

Climate bill a pain in the gas - Rep. Darrell Issa - POLITICO.com

Yes--but who wants control over total failure?

"The problem with socialism is that government eventually runs out of other peoples money" Margaret Thatcher

Ha.....none of them believe that their utopian ideologies would result in failure....

.....but if failure should happen....they will just blame someone....not their ideology.....like some progressives are beginning to blame Obama for the obvious (but underreported) problems taking place today....

Speakers at the closing session exhorted the liberals to take back America -- from Obama. "The president of the most powerful country in the world is doing all right, but there are a lot of people in this country who are not doing all right," writer Naomi Klein told the crowd. "Obama is making us stupid," she added. "Love can make you stupid."

Jane Hamsher: Did Barack Obama "Kill" the Progressive Movement?