Obama orders health insurance for government's seasonal firefighters

[Remodeling Maidiac]

A good start for you would be to understand what is in it? Much of the program won't go into affect until 2014. Worry not con crusader, the con's will try and defund it just like the consumer protection act and will pay the price at the polls by the people who matter - ones that can see past the monied interests.

You see, the con's cannot win based on facts, truth, etc. so they're going after those who vote trying to focus on folks who vote mostly democratic. If they can't and won't win on the up and up, they'll TRY and change the rules to suit their ultimate power trip.

Gramps SAYS he's a small business owner. He stands to make pretty good chunk of cash because of the Affordable Care Act so one would think he would make some effort to learn about it.

But no, its more fun to bitch about something he obviously knows nothing about.

So what you're saying is the affordable care act will eventually be.....well, you know.....AFFORDABLE?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

If there is a fire coming toward your house do you want it put out or not? If you are against this, then I would hope nobody applies to be a firefighter. Let the peoples houses burn. Americans. They want it all, for nothing.

Not all Americans.

If this board can be considered a microcosm of our society, this, like many other issues, is divided by party lines.

The right doesn't want to pay for the services they use because, for some idiotic reason, that has become "socialism". They want it for free because THAT isn't "socialism".

 

[koshergrl]

They're temporary, seasonal workers.

And they're getting FEDERAL health insurance.

This is fucking insane.

Well, they DO work for the FEDERAL government.

rw's - WHO do you think should pay their salaries and benefits?

Part-time, temporary. No part time temporary employees get medical insurance paid by their employers. Forest Service sure as shit doesn't. State and county workers don't. You work FULL time to get those benefits, and you take a reduced salary to offset it..and you also pay into it.

That's what normal working people do. Obama's buying votes...the thing is, half these guys are felons and the other half are illegals. No problem for the dems, though.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I know we have money problems in this country but our first responders deserve the best benefits package we can afford. If we can't afford it cut some fucking bullshit subsidy and find the money. Like our military, they risk their lives for us everyday.

Priorities people. Repeal the aca and use that money.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

They're temporary, seasonal workers.

And they're getting FEDERAL health insurance.

This is fucking insane.

Well, they DO work for the FEDERAL government.

rw's - WHO do you think should pay their salaries and benefits?

Part-time, temporary. No part time temporary employees get medical insurance paid by their employers. Forest Service sure as shit doesn't. State and county workers don't. You work FULL time to get those benefits, and you take a reduced salary to offset it..and you also pay into it.

That's what normal working people do. Obama's buying votes...the thing is, half these guys are felons and the other half are illegals. No problem for the dems, though.

Please post proof that 4000 of those people are "felons" and 4000 are "illegals" or admit that THAT is a really dumb thing to say.

 

[The T]

I know we have money problems in this country but our first responders deserve the best benefits package we can afford. If we can't afford it cut some fucking bullshit subsidy and find the money. Like our military, they risk their lives for us everyday.

Priorities people. Repeal the aca and use that money.

And they should be able to get it without the AID of Unions. I don't recall while being in the USAF there being a union...

 

[Sallow]

Oh look a bunch of idiots who know nothing about seasonal firefighters acting like they know what the hell they're talking about.

Seasonal firefighters work a few months out of the year. They are drug addicts, alcoholics, and felons, largely, who do not work the rest of the year. They don't make enough in a year to pay for this fucking insurance.

Plus they work in a high risk job..high risk of injury and illness...not to mention high risk of overdose and fatal fucking tooth decay from years of meth abuse. They routinely get drunk and drive a truck full off cliffs, killing and maiming a good half dozen a shot.

Fucking liberals are idiots. I get neg reps from idiots who accuse me of being stupid and on welfare (wtf?) but for the people who ARE on welfare (at least most of the year) and who don't pay their child support and who are drug addicted freaks...why nothing is too good for THOSE people. Make the normal people pay through the nose!!!!

I've know a couple.

And some of this is correct.

But I've seen people trying to straighten out their lives as well.

In any case..it's a hazardous job. Giving them health insurance is a good idea.

Might even get some into rehab. Which is much cheaper then prison.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I know we have money problems in this country but our first responders deserve the best benefits package we can afford. If we can't afford it cut some fucking bullshit subsidy and find the money. Like our military, they risk their lives for us everyday.

Priorities people. Repeal the aca and use that money.

Jeezuss.

Would you PLEASE READ the ACA? Or, read any of the many explanations and timelines available on line. I posted the Kaiser site repeatedly.

If you would just educate yourself, you would understand just how idiotic your position is.

GAWD DAMN but I am so effing sick of the ignorance the rw's wear like a fine coat they're proud of.

 

[Katzndogz]

While on the job, even temporary and part time workers have insurance. It's called workers compensation insurance. What they don't have is off the job benefits and family benefits. Since they are not only part time, but temporary they are entitled no benefits at all. There is no benefit to a promise of continued performance by a temporary or part time employee. They aren't first responders.

obama is trying to buy votes the say way he's trying to buy the votes of the terminally indolent by removing all work requirements to getting welfare.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I know we have money problems in this country but our first responders deserve the best benefits package we can afford. If we can't afford it cut some fucking bullshit subsidy and find the money. Like our military, they risk their lives for us everyday.

Priorities people. Repeal the aca and use that money.

And they should be able to get it without the AID of Unions. I don't recall while being in the USAF there being a union...

LOL

That's the biggest "union" of all.

 

[The T]

While on the job, even temporary and part time workers have insurance. It's called workers compensation insurance. What they don't have is off the job benefits and family benefits. Since they are not only part time, but temporary they are entitled no benefits at all. There is no benefit to a promise of continued performance by a temporary or part time employee. They aren't first responders.

obama is trying to buy votes the say way he's trying to buy the votes of the terminally indolent by removing all work requirements to getting welfare.

Exactly.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

While on the job, even temporary and part time workers have insurance. It's called workers compensation insurance. What they don't have is off the job benefits and family benefits. Since they are not only part time, but temporary they are entitled no benefits at all. There is no benefit to a promise of continued performance by a temporary or part time employee. They aren't first responders.

obama is trying to buy votes the say way he's trying to buy the votes of the terminally indolent by removing all work requirements to getting welfare.

8000 people.

You rw's are just incredible.

Think about it - 8000 people.

Oh wait! I forgot. koshergirl says she knows that 4000 of them are illegals and 4000 are felons.

Sheesh.

 

[The T]

I know we have money problems in this country but our first responders deserve the best benefits package we can afford. If we can't afford it cut some fucking bullshit subsidy and find the money. Like our military, they risk their lives for us everyday.

Priorities people. Repeal the aca and use that money.

And they should be able to get it without the AID of Unions. I don't recall while being in the USAF there being a union...

LOL

That's the biggest "union" of all.

Really? How so? How many departments of government are Constitutionally mandated?

Try Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution asswipe.

I don't see firefighters or police on the list. THAT is a local/State issue.

Dumbfuck.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Good job!

At the very least..the heroes fighting the nation's fires deserve health care. It's a hazardous job.

Yet Obama wants to raise the VETS insurance by 300 percent..

Everyone knows vets are only "in it" for themselves...just to get the bennies, dontcha know?

 

[gallantwarrior]

Good job!

At the very least..the heroes fighting the nation's fires deserve health care. It's a hazardous job.

I would hope they were covered by Workers' Comp while on the job.

Worker's Comp and OSHA have been eliminated in the Ryan budget plan; according to Ryan they are an example of government waste and another scam to use taxpayer money to benefit spoiled lazy government employees (missing from his cuts were a reduction in the benefits and salary and per diem of members of congress. Surely an oversight).

Surely you don't expect those poor congressional reps to lead by example, to bite the bullet they insist on shooting up the public's asses? Those poor, underpaid, underserved congresspeople also have to maintain two, count 'em, TWO separate residences, one in their home state and one in DC. Hell, they've rigged things so they actually have to vote to NOT receive a pay raise, otherwise it's all automatic. Personally, I think their raises should be voted for and approved by ONLY their electorates.

 

[The T]

I would hope they were covered by Workers' Comp while on the job.

Worker's Comp and OSHA have been eliminated in the Ryan budget plan; according to Ryan they are an example of government waste and another scam to use taxpayer money to benefit spoiled lazy government employees (missing from his cuts were a reduction in the benefits and salary and per diem of members of congress. Surely an oversight).

Surely you don't expect those poor congressional reps to lead by example, to bite the bullet they insist on shooting up the public's asses? Those poor, underpaid, underserved congresspeople also have to maintain two, count 'em, TWO separate residences, one in their home state and one in DC. Hell, they've rigged things so they actually have to vote to NOT receive a pay raise, otherwise it's all automatic. Personally, I think their raises should be voted for and approved by ONLY their electorates.

that might make them responsible to the people they work for...can't have that!

 

[J.E.D]

They're temporary, seasonal workers.

And they're getting FEDERAL health insurance.

This is fucking insane.

They're risking their lives and are being offered the opportunity to BUY into a federal health insurance plan. They're not being given anything.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

What I've read here and other threads is that the rw's want to give $TRILLIONS to the most wealthy but don't want to allow the average citizen a chance to better themselves or protect their lives and the lives of their love ones.

What a sad statement that rw's are so dead set against 8000 firefighters being able to buy health insurance. You really should put a sign outside your house - "In case of fire, we hate and don't need firefighters".

 

[J.E.D]

Oh look a bunch of idiots who know nothing about seasonal firefighters acting like they know what the hell they're talking about.

Seasonal firefighters work a few months out of the year. They are drug addicts, alcoholics, and felons, largely, who do not work the rest of the year. They don't make enough in a year to pay for this fucking insurance.

Plus they work in a high risk job..high risk of injury and illness...not to mention high risk of overdose and fatal fucking tooth decay from years of meth abuse. They routinely get drunk and drive a truck full off cliffs, killing and maiming a good half dozen a shot.

Fucking liberals are idiots. I get neg reps from idiots who accuse me of being stupid and on welfare (wtf?) but for the people who ARE on welfare (at least most of the year) and who don't pay their child support and who are drug addicted freaks...why nothing is too good for THOSE people. Make the normal people pay through the nose!!!!

First, I doubt that you know all of them. Second, even if you're correct, they are still risking their lives and still deserve health insurance. Third, go step in front of a bus, you vile twat.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Oh look a bunch of idiots who know nothing about seasonal firefighters acting like they know what the hell they're talking about.

Seasonal firefighters work a few months out of the year. They are drug addicts, alcoholics, and felons, largely, who do not work the rest of the year. They don't make enough in a year to pay for this fucking insurance.

Plus they work in a high risk job..high risk of injury and illness...not to mention high risk of overdose and fatal fucking tooth decay from years of meth abuse. They routinely get drunk and drive a truck full off cliffs, killing and maiming a good half dozen a shot.

Fucking liberals are idiots. I get neg reps from idiots who accuse me of being stupid and on welfare (wtf?) but for the people who ARE on welfare (at least most of the year) and who don't pay their child support and who are drug addicted freaks...why nothing is too good for THOSE people. Make the normal people pay through the nose!!!!

First, I doubt that you know all of them. Second, even if you're correct, they are still risking their lives and still deserve health insurance. Third, go step in front of a bus, you vile twat.

If her house catches fire, she can just tell the fire fighters they have to prove they're good, clean, upstanding American citizens cuz she'd rather her house burned to the ground than have those 4000 illegals and 4000 felons put the fire out.