Obama Losing Independents - 2010 In Play

[Intense]

Whatever point you are making is irrelevent.

Independent support for Obama is down considerably.

The most comprehensive polling done recently, that of Rasmussen, shows those claiming to be Independent to have risen to over 30%. Those claiming Democrat affiliation is at 37.5% and those claiming Republican affiliation is just over 32%. The spread between Democrat and Republican is at its lowest level since the end of 2007. This spread was even more narrow over the summer months, but has since risen back to pre-summer levels.

It is the loss of Independents that will hurt both Obama and the Democrats most if they cannot remedy this trend. It's the Independent voters who decide elections.

Obama is losing Independents.


Partisan Trends - Rasmussen Reports™

And your claims are irrelevant unless the stumbling republicans see a corresponding increase in support from independents.

You see Obama has the advantage of getting to run against whatever stiff the republicans happen to nominate. Unless the Independents are willing to throw their support to the republican stiff, Obama's standing with Independents is irrelevant

The loss of Independent support, and the corresponding favorable margins for the Generic Ballot for Republicans since June of 2009 (the same time Independents started to pull away from supporting Obama) would indicate the setting is being primed for just such a possibility.

It may happen - and it may not, but the change in outlook is remarkable. The Republicans have gone from no chance, to good chance in 2010 - which of course, is the basis of this thread.

2012 is too far to project accurately yet - though I would agree Obama is still the likely winner if those elections were held today - but the margin would be much tighter than just six months ago...

Hillary could beat Obama today.

 

[Sinatra]

And your claims are irrelevant unless the stumbling republicans see a corresponding increase in support from independents.

You see Obama has the advantage of getting to run against whatever stiff the republicans happen to nominate. Unless the Independents are willing to throw their support to the republican stiff, Obama's standing with Independents is irrelevant

The loss of Independent support, and the corresponding favorable margins for the Generic Ballot for Republicans since June of 2009 (the same time Independents started to pull away from supporting Obama) would indicate the setting is being primed for just such a possibility.

It may happen - and it may not, but the change in outlook is remarkable. The Republicans have gone from no chance, to good chance in 2010 - which of course, is the basis of this thread.

2012 is too far to project accurately yet - though I would agree Obama is still the likely winner if those elections were held today - but the margin would be much tighter than just six months ago...

Hillary could beat Obama today.

I would agree with that - and make no mistake, she is very aware of that fact...

 

[rightwinger]

The loss of Independent support, and the corresponding favorable margins for the Generic Ballot for Republicans since June of 2009 (the same time Independents started to pull away from supporting Obama) would indicate the setting is being primed for just such a possibility.

It may happen - and it may not, but the change in outlook is remarkable. The Republicans have gone from no chance, to good chance in 2010 - which of course, is the basis of this thread.

2012 is too far to project accurately yet - though I would agree Obama is still the likely winner if those elections were held today - but the margin would be much tighter than just six months ago...

Hillary could beat Obama today.

I would agree with that - and make no mistake, she is very aware of that fact...

Poor, poor republicans......

Saved up all that anti-Hillary rhetoric to use in 2008 and found out Obama was the Democratic nominee.

Now instead of cleaning up their own house they whine....

Please...Please run Hillary so I can use my Vince Foster material!

 

[The Rabbi]

And your claims are irrelevant unless the stumbling republicans see a corresponding increase in support from independents.

You see Obama has the advantage of getting to run against whatever stiff the republicans happen to nominate. Unless the Independents are willing to throw their support to the republican stiff, Obama's standing with Independents is irrelevant

The loss of Independent support, and the corresponding favorable margins for the Generic Ballot for Republicans since June of 2009 (the same time Independents started to pull away from supporting Obama) would indicate the setting is being primed for just such a possibility.

It may happen - and it may not, but the change in outlook is remarkable. The Republicans have gone from no chance, to good chance in 2010 - which of course, is the basis of this thread.

2012 is too far to project accurately yet - though I would agree Obama is still the likely winner if those elections were held today - but the margin would be much tighter than just six months ago...

Hillary could beat Obama today.

It wouldn't surprise me if George Bush could beat Obama today.

 

[rightwinger]

The loss of Independent support, and the corresponding favorable margins for the Generic Ballot for Republicans since June of 2009 (the same time Independents started to pull away from supporting Obama) would indicate the setting is being primed for just such a possibility.

It may happen - and it may not, but the change in outlook is remarkable. The Republicans have gone from no chance, to good chance in 2010 - which of course, is the basis of this thread.

2012 is too far to project accurately yet - though I would agree Obama is still the likely winner if those elections were held today - but the margin would be much tighter than just six months ago...

Hillary could beat Obama today.

It wouldn't surprise me if George Bush could beat Obama today.

You got that right pal!

Obama is such a stiff that ANYBODY can beat him

Congratulations! Looks like it is in the bag for the republicans in 2012
Don't change a thing republicans, you have a winning formula. Obama couldn't beat Hitler if they ran head to head right now.

 

[Sinatra]

The loss of Independent support, and the corresponding favorable margins for the Generic Ballot for Republicans since June of 2009 (the same time Independents started to pull away from supporting Obama) would indicate the setting is being primed for just such a possibility.

It may happen - and it may not, but the change in outlook is remarkable. The Republicans have gone from no chance, to good chance in 2010 - which of course, is the basis of this thread.

2012 is too far to project accurately yet - though I would agree Obama is still the likely winner if those elections were held today - but the margin would be much tighter than just six months ago...

Hillary could beat Obama today.

I would agree with that - and make no mistake, she is very aware of that fact...

,,,

 

[Wicked Jester]

Notice how Hillary is being awfully quiet these days.
Not one word about healthcare. Not one word of support for it.
She's not jumping to Obama's defense on ANY issue.
She's laying low, keeping her mouth shut.
Hillary is sitting back, sharpening her sabre, and waiting to use it to shove it firmly up Obama's inept ass!
She's gonna run for '12. You can bet on it!

 

[Sinatra]

Notice how Hillary is being awfully quiet these days.
Not one word about healthcare. Not one word of support for it.
She's not jumping to Obama's defense on ANY issue.
She's laying low, keeping her mouth shut.
Hillary is sitting back, sharpening her sabre, and waiting to use it to shove it firmly up Obama's inept ass!
She's gonna run for '12. You can bet on it!

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Agreed - something is going on here.

They are quite likely putting out some very tentative feelers within the DC system. It would be a huge gamble for her, so not sure she would actually attempt it, but it is a distinct possibility...

 

[Wicked Jester]

Notice how Hillary is being awfully quiet these days.
Not one word about healthcare. Not one word of support for it.
She's not jumping to Obama's defense on ANY issue.
She's laying low, keeping her mouth shut.
Hillary is sitting back, sharpening her sabre, and waiting to use it to shove it firmly up Obama's inept ass!
She's gonna run for '12. You can bet on it!

___


Agreed - something is going on here.

They are quite likely putting out some very tentative feelers within the DC system. It would be a huge gamble for her, so not sure she would actually attempt it, but it is a distinct possibility...

Hillary still has a huge support base in the DNC. William Jethro still has a huge support base within the DNC. Obama's been completely schooled on ALL issues. He's an amateur who's showing it for all to see. His ineptness is being exposed by the day. Hell, it even took Jimmy Carter longer to show his complete ineptness, and that is saying something. Never have we seen an incoming president so thoroughly embarrased by his ineptness, as we have seen from Obama.
Neither one of them can stand Obama. They absolutely hate his guts. She's gonna run!

 

[Sinatra]

Notice how Hillary is being awfully quiet these days.
Not one word about healthcare. Not one word of support for it.
She's not jumping to Obama's defense on ANY issue.
She's laying low, keeping her mouth shut.
Hillary is sitting back, sharpening her sabre, and waiting to use it to shove it firmly up Obama's inept ass!
She's gonna run for '12. You can bet on it!

___


Agreed - something is going on here.

They are quite likely putting out some very tentative feelers within the DC system. It would be a huge gamble for her, so not sure she would actually attempt it, but it is a distinct possibility...

Hillary still has a huge support base in the DNC. William Jethro still has a huge support base within the DNC. Obama's been completely schooled on ALL issues. He's an amateur who's showing it for all to see. His ineptness is being exposed by the day. Hell, it even took Jimmy Carter longer to show his complete ineptness, and that is saying something. Never have we seen an incoming president so thoroughly embarrased by his ineptness, as we have seen from Obama.
Neither one of them can stand Obama. They absolutely hate his guts. She's gonna run!

But Obama has the vast majority of the Liberal Mainstream Media carrying his water for him - unless that diminishes, Hillary would face a very difficult task...

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Two very ironic things in this thread:

First: Conservativess care about moderates and independents? Aren't these the same guys that applauded Ann Coulter when she said:

You're either a liberal or you're a conservative if you have an IQ above a toaster.

Its just astounding to see Conservatives care about what Independents and Moderates think. They typically couldn't care less.

Second: Why are the Conservatives so obsessed with Hillary? I don't see how you all can talk about Bush Derangement Syndrome or Palin Derangement Syndome when you all seem to get so excited about the things you fantasize Hillary will do. Just strange.

 

[Wicked Jester]

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Agreed - something is going on here.

They are quite likely putting out some very tentative feelers within the DC system. It would be a huge gamble for her, so not sure she would actually attempt it, but it is a distinct possibility...

Hillary still has a huge support base in the DNC. William Jethro still has a huge support base within the DNC. Obama's been completely schooled on ALL issues. He's an amateur who's showing it for all to see. His ineptness is being exposed by the day. Hell, it even took Jimmy Carter longer to show his complete ineptness, and that is saying something. Never have we seen an incoming president so thoroughly embarrased by his ineptness, as we have seen from Obama.
Neither one of them can stand Obama. They absolutely hate his guts. She's gonna run!

But Obama has the vast majority of the Liberal Mainstream Media carrying his water for him - unless that diminishes, Hillary would face a very difficult task...

Can't argue with that.
But, as Obama's complete ineptness continues to show, and the LMSM gets antsy, they'll drop him like a hot potato. That's just the way they work.
It's going to get very interesting indeed!

 

[Sinatra]

Hillary still has a huge support base in the DNC. William Jethro still has a huge support base within the DNC. Obama's been completely schooled on ALL issues. He's an amateur who's showing it for all to see. His ineptness is being exposed by the day. Hell, it even took Jimmy Carter longer to show his complete ineptness, and that is saying something. Never have we seen an incoming president so thoroughly embarrased by his ineptness, as we have seen from Obama.
Neither one of them can stand Obama. They absolutely hate his guts. She's gonna run!

But Obama has the vast majority of the Liberal Mainstream Media carrying his water for him - unless that diminishes, Hillary would face a very difficult task...

Can't argue with that.
But, as Obama's complete ineptness continues to show, and the LMSM gets antsy, they'll drop him like a hot potato. That's just the way they work.
It's going to get very interesting indeed!

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They are a long ways from dropping him like a hot potato - but there appear to be a few willing to at least question him a bit. Hopefully that trend will grow. Whether one supports or doesn't support Obama, there needs to be a media willing to consistently challenge and American President - that is their duty to do so. At this point, far too little of that has happened from the majority of the mainstream media.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Yea Hopey Changey really has allowed the Neo-Marxist Socialist loons to derail him at this point. Most Independents do not agree with this oppressive Socialist agenda. I don't think Independents really expected this from Hopey Changey. They didn't but i did. I guess we'll see how it all plays out with the Independents in coming elections.

 

[Intense]

Video: SNL now says what Hillary Dems always said: Obama has accomplished 'jack squat'


SNL Obama Spoof.

 

[drsmith1072]

a troll who asks for facts, but doesn't bring any to the table himself. That is a hypocritical troll. Show us Quack...don't just talk the talk.

July 18, 2009, Among those not affiliated with either major party, 43% Strongly Disapprove.

August 23, 2009, Strongly Disapprove along with 49% of those not affiliated with either major party.

Sept. 14, 2009, those not affiliated with either major party, 43% offer a positive assessment and 56% give a negative review.
Demographic Notes - Barack Obama Approval Index - Rasmussen Reports™

LOL

Had to look this up becuase I was told i ran away from it when I never knew it existed. BTW thought I would point out to you that there is a HUGE difference between total disapproval and those who strongly disapprove. You can guarantee that there are more people TOTAL that disapprove than there are that strongly disapprove. I wonder why rassmussen words it that way and why their polling #s don't support the claim that independents are abandoning oboma? So meister since I was referring to rasmussens overall polling numbers what did i lie about?

Where the hell is your proof that there is no shift? Your word? Any sources?

LOL So in other words you LIED when you dishonestly tried to compare a part to the whole in a lame and dishonest attempt to prove your argument, meaning you FAILED, and the best you have to come back with is to tell me to prove you wrong. LOL

He who makes the claim should provide the proof. Isn't that how it works??

Over all based on consistent polling data it has gone up and down from poll to poll but as of yet I have seen no proof to suggest a dramatic and longterm shift in independent support for obama. However, thanks for playing and thanks for proving your own dishonesty. LOL poor meister, stalked me into another thread to attack me and it turns out he is the one that was being dishonest. LOL

 

[Intense]

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 32% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -8 (see trends).

Forty-three percent (43%) give the President good or excellent marks on national security matters and 30% say he is governing on a bi-partisan basis.

Sixty-nine percent (69%) of Americans have a favorable opinion of Christopher Columbus, but just 12% consider the holiday in his honor one of our nation’s most important. Check out our review of last week’s key polls to see What They Told Us.

The Presidential Approval Index is calculated by subtracting the number who Strongly Disapprove from the number who Strongly Approve. It is updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern (sign up for free daily e-mail update). Updates also available on Twitter and Facebook.

Overall, 49% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. Fifty-one percent (51%) disapprove.

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™

 

[Meister]

Had to look this up becuase I was told i ran away from it when I never knew it existed. BTW thought I would point out to you that there is a HUGE difference between total disapproval and those who strongly disapprove. You can guarantee that there are more people TOTAL that disapprove than there are that strongly disapprove. I wonder why rassmussen words it that way and why their polling #s don't support the claim that independents are abandoning oboma? So meister since I was referring to rasmussens overall polling numbers what did i lie about?

Where the hell is your proof that there is no shift? Your word? Any sources?

LOL So in other words you LIED when you dishonestly tried to compare a part to the whole in a lame and dishonest attempt to prove your argument, meaning you FAILED, and the best you have to come back with is to tell me to prove you wrong. LOL

He who makes the claim should provide the proof. Isn't that how it works??

Over all based on consistent polling data it has gone up and down from poll to poll but as of yet I have seen no proof to suggest a dramatic and longterm shift in independent support for obama. However, thanks for playing and thanks for proving your own dishonesty. LOL poor meister, stalked me into another thread to attack me and it turns out he is the one that was being dishonest. LOL

Still can't get any verification from you other than your lying word...is that it? LMAO
Go ahead say what you may troll, at least I brought sources to prove what I stated. Even the numbers that I showed from Rasmussen stated that the Independents were waning from Obama. YOU stated there was no change, and showed no source to back up what you claim. We have "YOUR WORD". Man up, dude.

 

[rightwinger]

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 32% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -8 (see trends).

Forty-three percent (43%) give the President good or excellent marks on national security matters and 30% say he is governing on a bi-partisan basis.

Sixty-nine percent (69%) of Americans have a favorable opinion of Christopher Columbus, but just 12% consider the holiday in his honor one of our nation’s most important. Check out our review of last week’s key polls to see What They Told Us.

The Presidential Approval Index is calculated by subtracting the number who Strongly Disapprove from the number who Strongly Approve. It is updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern (sign up for free daily e-mail update). Updates also available on Twitter and Facebook.

Overall, 49% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. Fifty-one percent (51%) disapprove.

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™

Who the hell cares about the number who strongly approve or strongly disaprove?
Its a bogus statistic. You only have to slightly approve one candidate over another to pull the lever

 

[Intense]

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 32% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -8 (see trends).

Forty-three percent (43%) give the President good or excellent marks on national security matters and 30% say he is governing on a bi-partisan basis.

Sixty-nine percent (69%) of Americans have a favorable opinion of Christopher Columbus, but just 12% consider the holiday in his honor one of our nation’s most important. Check out our review of last week’s key polls to see What They Told Us.

The Presidential Approval Index is calculated by subtracting the number who Strongly Disapprove from the number who Strongly Approve. It is updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern (sign up for free daily e-mail update). Updates also available on Twitter and Facebook.

Overall, 49% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. Fifty-one percent (51%) disapprove.

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™

Who the hell cares about the number who strongly approve or strongly disaprove?
Its a bogus statistic. You only have to slightly approve one candidate over another to pull the lever

I care. I'm sure others do too. Who are you to impose?