obama fighting to keep indefinite detention provision in the NDAA

[bigrebnc1775]

It's okay when a Democrat does it.

No it isn't. In fact, it is probably the biggest thing in Obama's presidency that I am most disappointed in. I am ashamed that this gestapo dreck got any Democratic support at all. Obama should have been pushing for the end of this crap, not embracing it and continuing it. Thanks to the Republicans who put this shit in place, we'll probably always have big brother looking over our shoulders. You can't give government powers and then expect them to just give them up.

I have to spread the rep around.

The fact is that you are 100% correct. My troubles with the Bush Admin began shortly after 9/11. When he gave the no-bid contracts to Haliburton, it just plain smelled like payback. That started the slide for me. I know, many conservatives say Haliburton was the best, or only company that could do the job. I don't care, it stunk. If they were the only ones for the job, then fine, let them bid just like every other company, but don't just give it away. When something appears to be a conflict of interest then it is up to the parties involved to make damn sure every "t" is crossed and every "i" is dotted and that there is not even an inkling of favortism. The Bush admin failed here bigtime.

From there, it just went downhill. Had the Democrats offered someone decent that year, hell, I even considered voting for Hilary, I would have voted for them. Instead, I saw Kerry in the same light that I see Romney today and I wouldn't vote for either one of them.

Bush got my vote in 2004... McCain didn't in 2008 and Romney won't in 2012.

Immie

My understanding was that Haliburton was already in place or in country is that correct?>

 

[Immanuel]

Here let's take a different look at your belief in Democrats supporting "freedom, liberty and the Constitution".

House Roll Call #460 Details - OpenCongress

The repeal of Obamacare

Ayes 5 Democrats, 239 Republicans
Noes 185 Democrats, 0 Republicans
Abstain 1 Democrat, 1 Republican

Another Freedom issue overwhelmingly supported by Republicans and opposed by Democrats

House Roll Call #852 Details - OpenCongress

I'm sure we can both pick and choose the issues that we see as being related to freedom and we can both "prove" that the side we are currently taking is better than the other side, but when you get right down to it, neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are for OUR freedoms. Both sides are out to limit our freedoms they're just taking aim at different freedoms at the moment.

Immie

Immie this get us no where but more of the same. But I do understand your point and applaud it.

Well, so that others "get it" the point is that it is very easy to pick and choose the "issues" that support our cause, but really, you have to look at the overall picture and it ain't pretty for the supporters of either party.

Immie

 

[Immanuel]

No it isn't. In fact, it is probably the biggest thing in Obama's presidency that I am most disappointed in. I am ashamed that this gestapo dreck got any Democratic support at all. Obama should have been pushing for the end of this crap, not embracing it and continuing it. Thanks to the Republicans who put this shit in place, we'll probably always have big brother looking over our shoulders. You can't give government powers and then expect them to just give them up.

I have to spread the rep around.

The fact is that you are 100% correct. My troubles with the Bush Admin began shortly after 9/11. When he gave the no-bid contracts to Haliburton, it just plain smelled like payback. That started the slide for me. I know, many conservatives say Haliburton was the best, or only company that could do the job. I don't care, it stunk. If they were the only ones for the job, then fine, let them bid just like every other company, but don't just give it away. When something appears to be a conflict of interest then it is up to the parties involved to make damn sure every "t" is crossed and every "i" is dotted and that there is not even an inkling of favortism. The Bush admin failed here bigtime.

From there, it just went downhill. Had the Democrats offered someone decent that year, hell, I even considered voting for Hilary, I would have voted for them. Instead, I saw Kerry in the same light that I see Romney today and I wouldn't vote for either one of them.

Bush got my vote in 2004... McCain didn't in 2008 and Romney won't in 2012.

Immie

My understanding was that Haliburton was already in place or in country is that correct?>

I don't remember it that way, but it was said that Haliburton was the only company that could do the job. They were supposedly the only company with the resourses to accomplish the task. Funny, that they had also been VP Cheney's company!

Maybe they were the only company that could do the job. That didn't excuse the lack of openness that went with the deal.

Immie

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Here let's take a different look at your belief in Democrats supporting "freedom, liberty and the Constitution".

House Roll Call #460 Details - OpenCongress

The repeal of Obamacare

Ayes 5 Democrats, 239 Republicans
Noes 185 Democrats, 0 Republicans
Abstain 1 Democrat, 1 Republican

Another Freedom issue overwhelmingly supported by Republicans and opposed by Democrats

House Roll Call #852 Details - OpenCongress

I'm sure we can both pick and choose the issues that we see as being related to freedom and we can both "prove" that the side we are currently taking is better than the other side, but when you get right down to it, neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are for OUR freedoms. Both sides are out to limit our freedoms they're just taking aim at different freedoms at the moment.

Immie

Immie this get us no where but more of the same. But I do understand your point and applaud it.

Well, so that others "get it" the point is that it is very easy to pick and choose the "issues" that support our cause, but really, you have to look at the overall picture and it ain't pretty for the supporters of either party.

Immie

As for me I can't rep you again
Thing is a lot from both party's are voting for a letter
R or D not really caring about the out come of that vote.

 

[Truthseeker420]

You don't get it the patriot act was a bipartisan law just as the NDAA AND S. 679, even though most Republicans in the house did not support but 95 did only one from my state supported it but she's not running again.

So you have some explaining to do why would you support something you would not support when bush was president? and if you vote for obama you are doing just that voting for what bush did.

Do you have trouble reading? The GOP/teabagger thugs voted 190/43 in favor for NDAA

The GOP/baggers also voted 210/27 in favor of renewing the patriot act.

Do you have trouble reading?

If I counted right , over 90% of the No votes on the NDAA in the HR were Democrats. North Carolina House Reps voted 8-5 in favor of the bill, of the 5 against the NDAA 4 were Democrats and 1 was a Republican.

 

[Black_Label]

I don't support it and I haven't seen anyone on the left support it either. Also like i've shown you, the elected democrats don't support huge government and anti-freedom, but the GOP/teabaggers sure do.

The democrats stand for freedom, liberty, and the constitution. Those on the hard right pretend they do, but once in office, crap all over the constitution to try to turn the nation into a hard right wing police state. Their obedient sheep don't care, they will keep punching (R) on election day no matter what.

Right... Democrats support freedom, liberty and the Constitution and they give us Obamacare. What the hell are you snorting?

Democrats can talk a hell of a game, but when it gets down to honesty, you throw a one issue on one website at us and tell us that the Democrats support freedom, liberty and the Constitution. We're supposed to take you seriously? Seriously?

You are full of shit.

Your webpage lists one issue and you declare that Democrats support freedom, liberty and the Constitution. Well, as P.T. Barnum is credited with saying, and your posts here seem to confirm, "There's a sucker born every minute". You're a sucker because you believe the shit you're peddling.

Immie

Damn right the democrat left is anything but about freedom. They are after all the party of:

Slavery
Jim Crow
Segregation, yesterday, today and tomorrow
Poll taxes
Did not support any civil rights act up to LBJ with the longest filibuster against in Senate history.
Their military arm is the KKK

Their dislike for freedom runs in their blood, they really can't help themselves.

Did you note in this very thread I believe, no less then two "liberals" used gays as an insult? Boy do they hate to have their homophobia pointed out.

Holy hell do you not have a clue as to what you are talking about. Do some research on "the southern strategy"

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I have to spread the rep around.

The fact is that you are 100% correct. My troubles with the Bush Admin began shortly after 9/11. When he gave the no-bid contracts to Haliburton, it just plain smelled like payback. That started the slide for me. I know, many conservatives say Haliburton was the best, or only company that could do the job. I don't care, it stunk. If they were the only ones for the job, then fine, let them bid just like every other company, but don't just give it away. When something appears to be a conflict of interest then it is up to the parties involved to make damn sure every "t" is crossed and every "i" is dotted and that there is not even an inkling of favortism. The Bush admin failed here bigtime.

From there, it just went downhill. Had the Democrats offered someone decent that year, hell, I even considered voting for Hilary, I would have voted for them. Instead, I saw Kerry in the same light that I see Romney today and I wouldn't vote for either one of them.

Bush got my vote in 2004... McCain didn't in 2008 and Romney won't in 2012.

Immie

My understanding was that Haliburton was already in place or in country is that correct?>

I don't remember it that way, but it was said that Haliburton was the only company that could do the job. They were supposedly the only company with the resourses to accomplish the task. Funny, that they had also been VP Cheney's company!

Maybe they were the only company that could do the job. That didn't excuse the lack of openness that went with the deal.

Immie

I think we're both right they were the only company in that part of the region that could do the job. But that's as far as I would like to take this part of the conversion because it's nearing conspiracy

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Right... Democrats support freedom, liberty and the Constitution and they give us Obamacare. What the hell are you snorting?

Democrats can talk a hell of a game, but when it gets down to honesty, you throw a one issue on one website at us and tell us that the Democrats support freedom, liberty and the Constitution. We're supposed to take you seriously? Seriously?

You are full of shit.

Your webpage lists one issue and you declare that Democrats support freedom, liberty and the Constitution. Well, as P.T. Barnum is credited with saying, and your posts here seem to confirm, "There's a sucker born every minute". You're a sucker because you believe the shit you're peddling.

Immie

Damn right the democrat left is anything but about freedom. They are after all the party of:

Slavery
Jim Crow
Segregation, yesterday, today and tomorrow
Poll taxes
Did not support any civil rights act up to LBJ with the longest filibuster against in Senate history.
Their military arm is the KKK

Their dislike for freedom runs in their blood, they really can't help themselves.

Did you note in this very thread I believe, no less then two "liberals" used gays as an insult? Boy do they hate to have their homophobia pointed out.

Holy hell do you not have a clue as to what you are talking about. Do some research on "the southern strategy"

LBJ's southern strategy do you know what it was?

 

[ScienceRocks]

Damn right the democrat left is anything but about freedom. They are after all the party of:

Slavery
Jim Crow
Segregation, yesterday, today and tomorrow
Poll taxes
Did not support any civil rights act up to LBJ with the longest filibuster against in Senate history.
Their military arm is the KKK

Their dislike for freedom runs in their blood, they really can't help themselves.

Did you note in this very thread I believe, no less then two "liberals" used gays as an insult? Boy do they hate to have their homophobia pointed out.

Holy hell do you not have a clue as to what you are talking about. Do some research on "the southern strategy"

LBJ's southern strategy do you know what it was?

LBJ was the only president of the past 150 years worse then Barack Obama. I will go no further. Worse then Wilson, FDR and Carter put together. Maybe Wilson was worse then Obama with his fed.

 

[Freewill]

Right... Democrats support freedom, liberty and the Constitution and they give us Obamacare. What the hell are you snorting?

Democrats can talk a hell of a game, but when it gets down to honesty, you throw a one issue on one website at us and tell us that the Democrats support freedom, liberty and the Constitution. We're supposed to take you seriously? Seriously?

You are full of shit.

Your webpage lists one issue and you declare that Democrats support freedom, liberty and the Constitution. Well, as P.T. Barnum is credited with saying, and your posts here seem to confirm, "There's a sucker born every minute". You're a sucker because you believe the shit you're peddling.

Immie

Damn right the democrat left is anything but about freedom. They are after all the party of:

Slavery
Jim Crow
Segregation, yesterday, today and tomorrow
Poll taxes
Did not support any civil rights act up to LBJ with the longest filibuster against in Senate history.
Their military arm is the KKK

Their dislike for freedom runs in their blood, they really can't help themselves.

Did you note in this very thread I believe, no less then two "liberals" used gays as an insult? Boy do they hate to have their homophobia pointed out.

Holy hell do you not have a clue as to what you are talking about. Do some research on "the southern strategy"

Don't worry I have read plenty of BS posts by leftists hacks like yourself.

What you want people to believe is that somehow Nixon got all the red necks to leave the party that supported only one civil rights act for the party of Lincoln. The party that supported EVERY ONE of the civil rights acts from the Civil War. One would have to ask themselves why would they leave? Next you will hack up the fur ball about the Dixiecrats. Those were democrats that left the Democrat party lost the presidential election then went right back to the democrat party. The ones that really left the democrat party were the ones that were just plain sick of Democrat BS.

Here is an article from a man who lived during the time. You won't believe what he says because it isn't the puke from the dailykos but I like to try and educate. You know, the leading the horse to water thing.

The Neocons and Nixon’s southern strategy

BTW the list I made is totally accurate those were all Democrat initiatives, read a book. I mean a real book.

 

[Borillar]

Here let's take a different look at your belief in Democrats supporting "freedom, liberty and the Constitution".

House Roll Call #460 Details - OpenCongress

The repeal of Obamacare

Ayes 5 Democrats, 239 Republicans
Noes 185 Democrats, 0 Republicans
Abstain 1 Democrat, 1 Republican

Another Freedom issue overwhelmingly supported by Republicans and opposed by Democrats

House Roll Call #852 Details - OpenCongress

I'm sure we can both pick and choose the issues that we see as being related to freedom and we can both "prove" that the side we are currently taking is better than the other side, but when you get right down to it, neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are for OUR freedoms. Both sides are out to limit our freedoms they're just taking aim at different freedoms at the moment.

Immie

What freedom is that? the freedom to die of untreated diseases?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Here let's take a different look at your belief in Democrats supporting "freedom, liberty and the Constitution".

House Roll Call #460 Details - OpenCongress

The repeal of Obamacare

Ayes 5 Democrats, 239 Republicans
Noes 185 Democrats, 0 Republicans
Abstain 1 Democrat, 1 Republican

Another Freedom issue overwhelmingly supported by Republicans and opposed by Democrats

House Roll Call #852 Details - OpenCongress

I'm sure we can both pick and choose the issues that we see as being related to freedom and we can both "prove" that the side we are currently taking is better than the other side, but when you get right down to it, neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are for OUR freedoms. Both sides are out to limit our freedoms they're just taking aim at different freedoms at the moment.

Immie

What freedom is that? the freedom to die of untreated diseases?

You really don't understand what is in that tax do you?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Holy hell do you not have a clue as to what you are talking about. Do some research on "the southern strategy"

LBJ's southern strategy do you know what it was?

LBJ was the only president of the past 150 years worse then Barack Obama. I will go no further. Worse then Wilson, FDR and Carter put together. Maybe Wilson was worse then Obama with his fed.

I disagree the five worst presidents America has had since 1900 has been obama, bush Clinton, wilson, FDR, with Johnson just behind FDR

 

[Immanuel]

Here let's take a different look at your belief in Democrats supporting "freedom, liberty and the Constitution".

House Roll Call #460 Details - OpenCongress

The repeal of Obamacare

Ayes 5 Democrats, 239 Republicans
Noes 185 Democrats, 0 Republicans
Abstain 1 Democrat, 1 Republican

Another Freedom issue overwhelmingly supported by Republicans and opposed by Democrats

House Roll Call #852 Details - OpenCongress

I'm sure we can both pick and choose the issues that we see as being related to freedom and we can both "prove" that the side we are currently taking is better than the other side, but when you get right down to it, neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are for OUR freedoms. Both sides are out to limit our freedoms they're just taking aim at different freedoms at the moment.

Immie

What freedom is that? the freedom to die of untreated diseases?

How about the freedom to choose? Something that people on the left claim to support so often, yet when you quiz them on their beliefs you find that there is only one choice whose freedom they truly support.

Immie

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Typical that you right wing thugs don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. The GOP loves shredding the constitution to implement huge government and anti-freedom. The freedom fighters on the left are strongly against it.

On the patriot act renewal vote (with Obama in office as well as the "less government!" "pro-constitution!" teabaggers)

GOP/Teabaggers for more government and less freedom: 210/27

Democrats for more government and less freedom: 65/117

House Roll Call #36 Details - OpenCongress

It's pretty easy to see the GOP/teabagger trash had freedom and liberty, where the democrats support it like our founding fathers wanted.

If you hate freedom and think the constitution is nothing more than a piece of toilet paper, Vote republican!

Here's the problem
Bush did it I did not support it, obama didn't support but continued what was started and the left supports it.
We must end this bush did it but support what bush started if we are to get control of the federal government.

The left does NOT support crapping on the constitution to implement more government and less freedom. Again, look at the votes. The democrats have been strongly against the patriot act as well as NDAA. If it wasn't for the GOP thugs, these bills never would have been passed.

It all comes down to supporting those that stand behind freedom, liberty, and the constitution. If you agree, the GOP/teabaggers are the absoutly last people you want to support.

Still waiting to read why black label will be voting for obama since he thinks democrats are for freedom and liberty.

 

[Freewill]

Here let's take a different look at your belief in Democrats supporting "freedom, liberty and the Constitution".

House Roll Call #460 Details - OpenCongress

The repeal of Obamacare

Ayes 5 Democrats, 239 Republicans
Noes 185 Democrats, 0 Republicans
Abstain 1 Democrat, 1 Republican

Another Freedom issue overwhelmingly supported by Republicans and opposed by Democrats

House Roll Call #852 Details - OpenCongress

I'm sure we can both pick and choose the issues that we see as being related to freedom and we can both "prove" that the side we are currently taking is better than the other side, but when you get right down to it, neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are for OUR freedoms. Both sides are out to limit our freedoms they're just taking aim at different freedoms at the moment.

Immie

What freedom is that? the freedom to die of untreated diseases?

Absolutely YES!!! If that is what a person wants. Tell me, what moral obligation do I have to give a flying squirrel whether you have health care INSURANCE? And if I do care by what moral obligation do I have to pay for yours? And please don't quote me from your religion or worse yet from anyone else's' religion.

 

[Freewill]

LBJ's southern strategy do you know what it was?

LBJ was the only president of the past 150 years worse then Barack Obama. I will go no further. Worse then Wilson, FDR and Carter put together. Maybe Wilson was worse then Obama with his fed.

I disagree the five worst presidents America has had since 1900 has been obama, bush Clinton, wilson, FDR, with Johnson just behind FDR

I think that the primary mission of the POTUS should be uniting the country. So my picks are as follows: Obama, LBJ, Bush II. Carter united the country against him, although arguably he was the worse President until Obama.

 

[daveman]

What are you talking about, progressive liberals on site do support it after Obama became President. My guess is even you do, but you won't admit that now. You probably support the NDAA as well, and the execution of Anwar al-Aulagi without a trial as well.

Come on, can you think of anything your god has done wrong?

Immie

Immie

I don't support it and I haven't seen anyone on the left support it either. Also like i've shown you, the elected democrats don't support huge government and anti-freedom, but the GOP/teabaggers sure do.

The democrats stand for freedom, liberty, and the constitution. Those on the hard right pretend they do, but once in office, crap all over the constitution to try to turn the nation into a hard right wing police state. Their obedient sheep don't care, they will keep punching (R) on election day no matter what.

Right... Democrats support freedom, liberty and the Constitution and they give us Obamacare. What the hell are you snorting?

Democrats can talk a hell of a game, but when it gets down to honesty, you throw a one issue on one website at us and tell us that the Democrats support freedom, liberty and the Constitution. We're supposed to take you seriously? Seriously?

You are full of shit.

Your webpage lists one issue and you declare that Democrats support freedom, liberty and the Constitution. Well, as P.T. Barnum is credited with saying, and your posts here seem to confirm, "There's a sucker born every minute". You're a sucker because you believe the shit you're peddling.

Immie

 

[daveman]

If your claim was true, then the democrats would have almost unanimously supported it like the GOP thugs did. As you can see from the vote you are completely wrong.

You don't get it the patriot act was a bipartisan law just as the NDAA AND S. 679, even though most Republicans in the house did not support but 95 did only one from my state supported it but she's not running again.

So you have some explaining to do why would you support something you would not support when bush was president? and if you vote for obama you are doing just that voting for what bush did.

Do you have trouble reading? The GOP/teabagger thugs voted 190/43 in favor for NDAA

The GOP/baggers also voted 210/27 in favor of renewing the patriot act.

You have some explaining why you still support the republican/teabaggers that hate freedom and liberty so much? Do you hate the constitution? Sure sounds like it,...

You just make sure you don't criticize Obama for signing the bills.

It's racist. And you'll burst into flames. Don't believe me?

This guy criticized Obama:

 

[bigrebnc1775]

LBJ was the only president of the past 150 years worse then Barack Obama. I will go no further. Worse then Wilson, FDR and Carter put together. Maybe Wilson was worse then Obama with his fed.

I disagree the five worst presidents America has had since 1900 has been obama, bush Clinton, wilson, FDR, with Johnson just behind FDR

I think that the primary mission of the POTUS should be uniting the country. So my picks are as follows: Obama, LBJ, Bush II. Carter united the country against him, although arguably he was the worse President until Obama.

Each president I mentioned played their part in taking a right away.
Carter however had the worst economic record next to FDR up until bush obama, but thats a how new subject.