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Now the Al Qaida forces can wait it out until the end of the year.
Then with Iranian help they can get control of the government , and once again Iraq can become a haven for terrorists.
Great work Obama
Mudwhistle, I happen to think that you are on a bash-Obama-mission without dealing with the facts.
Iraq Demands 'Clear Timeline' for U.S. Troop Withdrawal
Read more: Iraq Demands 'Clear Timeline' for U.S. Troop Withdrawal - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News - FOXNews.com
And GWB granted their wish and signed an agreement to be out by December 31, 2011 which also coincides with the date of the UN Mandate.
Obama tried to get an extension on the timeline but Iraq was serious when they signed the agreement with the US and they are still serious. Iraq obviously have thought for quite awhile, that they wanted to control their own independence and destiny.
The US liberated them, we helped set up their democratic elections and now we shouldn't honor a democratic sovereign country's wish that we leave? And it's Obama's fault? Try something else that deals with the real world.
why do you hate freedom?
Reality must really be a kick in the shorts to them.Will Obama and his bots ever make up thier minds? They blame him on one hand and take credit for his deeds on the other. Is that what it is to live in an alternate universe?Thank you for screwing the pooch. This is a major foreign policy disaster. We're leaving with our tails tucked between our legs.
I just heard David Gregory and Andrea Mitchell call this a victory on Meet The Depressed.
Hillary gave Bush credit because she said he is the one who should get credit along with Obama simply because Obama followed the agreement.
If you remember, the Iraqi President at the time dropped a dime on Obama and said that the President-Elect attempted to prevent them from signing the agreement with Bush. Obama is in all respects attempting to take credit anyway now.
You seem to have a really short memory.
When you support a person like Obama you have to lie to others and to yourself to swallow all of the garbage this guy is constantly shoveling to them.
Obama gave the order to carry out the mission. He was told by his advisers that there was a 50/50 chance that Osama was in the compound. He could have said not to go in (like Bush did in 2003[?] in Tora Bora). Therefore, Obama gave the order that lead to the death of Bin Laden. Is that hard to understand?
Please get your facts right about Tora Bora...
The battle of Tora Bora happened in December 2001. Bush gave the order to go in, and Bin Laden slipped away, just barely.
What Bush didn't authorize was mining the passes leading to Pakistan with GATOR mines. Perhaps a mistake, but land mines are politically controversial to start with. he also wrongly assumed Pakistan was guarding its own border effectively.
Now, I give Obama kudos for ordering the mission, but it wasn't like it was a big risk politically for him. By that point, Bin Laden was a broken man, not even in charge of the organization, possibly betrayed by one of his own wives. It was kind of like shooting a pathetic, mangy dog at that point.
Looks like I wasn't too far off. Like I said, Bush let Bin Laden go. Thanks for confirming that.
Your assessment of the mission that killed Bin Laden is laughable. It damn sure was an important mission. Bin Laden was the most wanted and dangerous man in the world - not iquivelant to a mangy dog like you so ridiculously portayed him. The mission was definitely a political risk for Obama. Obama and everybody else in that room knew that if the mission were a failure - especially if US troops were killed - Obama would take ALL of the blame (remember Carter and his botched rescue mission?). You're being either naive or disingenuous to pretend otherwise.
Obama knew where he was for 8 months and did nothing.
Yeah, he did nothing.... except for authorize the mission that killed Bin Laden.
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Now the Al Qaida forces can wait it out until the end of the year.
Then with Iranian help they can get control of the government , and once again Iraq can become a haven for terrorists.
Great work Obama
Mudwhistle, I happen to think that you are on a bash-Obama-mission without dealing with the facts.
Iraq Demands 'Clear Timeline' for U.S. Troop Withdrawal
Read more: Iraq Demands 'Clear Timeline' for U.S. Troop Withdrawal - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News - FOXNews.com
And GWB granted their wish and signed an agreement to be out by December 31, 2011 which also coincides with the date of the UN Mandate.
Obama tried to get an extension on the timeline but Iraq was serious when they signed the agreement with the US and they are still serious. Iraq obviously have thought for quite awhile, that they wanted to control their own independence and destiny.
The US liberated them, we helped set up their democratic elections and now we shouldn't honor a democratic sovereign country's wish that we leave? And it's Obama's fault? Try something else that deals with the real world.
You seem to be missing the point Mike.
As the article I posted within the post you quoted, it states the it was GWB who actually set the date of December 31, 2011 in an agreement by his administration and the Iraqi government. The Iraqi government insisted and GWB agreed. In other words, back in 2008 the Iraqi government wanted the US gone. Fast forward to 2011. The agreed upon timetable conclusion date is approaching, the Obama Administration tries to get an extension but the Iraqis say no. It's December 31st in the agreement signed in 2008 and there is no turning back on that agreement by the Iraqis. They wanted the US gone in 2008 and they still want the US gone. But for some ill-informed posters, it's Obama's fault. It makes no sense and defies factual history.
Not that I support Obama, the guy actually claimed that he kept his 2008 campaign pledge. He had nothing to do with the US troops finally leaving Iraq and he is basically lying about his part. This event was the result of the efforts of the Bush Administration and the Iraqi government, period.
Can we add Solyndra into the mix?I can imagine what would have happened if we failed.
Obama would be sent to Hawaii and gone into hiding.
The press would have focused on some other issue to provide cover for him.
This is what's going on right now with Fast & Furious.
Obama is in trouble yet you guys are high-fiving each other over something Obama had very little to do with.....Iraq.
Obama knew where he was for 8 months and did nothing.
Yeah, he did nothing.... except for authorize the mission that killed Bin Laden.
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But that has been one part of the mission instituted by GWB. That never changed. He authorized nothing but execute a standing order by a previous POTUS.Obama knew where he was for 8 months and did nothing.
Yeah, he did nothing.... except for authorize the mission that killed Bin Laden.
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But that has been one part of the mission instituted by GWB. That never changed. He authorized nothing but execute a standing order by a previous POTUS.Obama knew where he was for 8 months and did nothing.
Yeah, he did nothing.... except for authorize the mission that killed Bin Laden.
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That is not what your article said.
From your article:
"We have said that this is a condition-driven process," he added, suggesting that the departure schedule could be modified if the security situation changed.
...President Bush has steadfastly refused to accept any timetable for bringing U.S. troops home. Last month, however, Bush and Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki agreed to set a "general time horizon" for a U.S. departure.
...But U.S. officials insist there is no agreement on specific dates. Both the American and Iraqi officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the talks are ongoing. Iraq's Shiite-led government believes a withdrawal schedule is essential to win parliamentary approval."
Obama surrendered.
The Shittes are supported by the Iranians.
Now Al Qaida and Iran will wait until the end of the year until the American troops are out.
They will then take control of the government, punishing the US allies in Iraq, and once again, Iraq becoming a safe haven for terrorists.
Now the Al Qaida forces can wait it out until the end of the year.
Then with Iranian help they can get control of the government , and once again Iraq can become a haven for terrorists.
Great work Obama
You seem to be missing the point Mike.
As the article I posted within the post you quoted, it states the it was GWB who actually set the date of December 31, 2011 in an agreement by his administration and the Iraqi government. The Iraqi government insisted and GWB agreed. In other words, back in 2008 the Iraqi government wanted the US gone. Fast forward to 2011. The agreed upon timetable conclusion date is approaching, the Obama Administration tries to get an extension but the Iraqis say no. It's December 31st in the agreement signed in 2008 and there is no turning back on that agreement by the Iraqis. They wanted the US gone in 2008 and they still want the US gone. But for some ill-informed posters, it's Obama's fault. It makes no sense and defies factual history.
Not that I support Obama, the guy actually claimed that he kept his 2008 campaign pledge. He had nothing to do with the US troops finally leaving Iraq and he is basically lying about his part. This event was the result of the efforts of the Bush Administration and the Iraqi government, period.
And all for the effect (or is that affect), of fulfilling a campaign promise albiet for the sake of himself and his re-election?But that has been one part of the mission instituted by GWB. That never changed. He authorized nothing but execute a standing order by a previous POTUS.Yeah, he did nothing.... except for authorize the mission that killed Bin Laden.
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Still the situation is deteriorating and Obama is cutting and running before it gets out of control.
But that has been one part of the mission instituted by GWB. That never changed. He authorized nothing but execute a standing order by a previous POTUS.Yeah, he did nothing.... except for authorize the mission that killed Bin Laden.
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Still the situation is deteriorating and Obama is cutting and running before it gets out of control.
But that has been one part of the mission instituted by GWB. That never changed. He authorized nothing but execute a standing order by a previous POTUS.
Still the situation is deteriorating and Obama is cutting and running before it gets out of control.
Your denial of factual history is amazing.
Statement by the President on Agreements with Iraq
Statement by the President on Agreements with Iraq
U.S. Troops Are Leaving Because Iraq Doesn't Want Them There
U.S. Troops Are Leaving Because Iraq Doesn't Want Them There - Yochi J. Dreazen - Politics - The Atlantic
Anyone remember when Jr. and his cronies stated that the Iraq war would be paid for in the oil savings?
Iraq wasn't about 9/11, it was about oil. And.........fwiw........Obama taking out Kaddafy was because we were ASKED FOR ASSISTANCE.
Nope, Obama's foreign policies are much better than the previous idiot.
Given that the US successfully overthrew Hussein, I don't think it is fair to say we were "defeated". It might be fair to say that we "failed". Certainly, we failed to halt a major WMD program.
But even if we concede that the overall intervention was in Iraq, I'm not sure how one could argue that Obama's command was a failure. I'm not sure if any of Obama's stated goals in Iraq weren't met-- the main one was to withdraw the troops, preferably sooner than this. If you look at Politifact's count on Obama's campaign promises, it lists only one goal for Iraq, which has been kept: PolitiFact | The Obameter: Campaign Promises that are about Military. Obama might have failed to do what you wanted to do, but he seems to have been able to largely do what he said he would (admittedly a low bar, he made many more promises about Afghanistan).
Part of the reason we are leaving now does seem to be because of the Iraqi government. When we voluntarily returned sovereignty to them in 2004 (it's been awhile, hasn't it?) we implicitly gave them the right to refuse privileges to our troops or even to order them to leave the country. That seven years later they are exercising this right, when US policy was already to withdraw troops on a similar timeline, can hardly be called a defeat.
It is a diplomatic defeat and a tactical defeat because not only couldn't we assure that our troops would be safe from unfair prosecution by Iranians with scores to settle, but leaving now means that Iran will be able to exert more influence in Iraq, the primary reason we remained in the first place.
It is a defeat plain and simple.
