Obama-Carbon Tax Coming in Jan...

[PeterS]

And at what point does passing along tax increases and capital improvements and R&D result in diminishing returns? Look around and you tell me how many companies that this tax will affect are producing more than last year. production and revenue are already down but you say an additional tax will hav e a flat affect on profits.

No, you are the one making that argument when you argued that a carbon tax will have no effect consumption.

The key phrase is "prices will be increased to the maximum the market will bear". Right now and for most likely the next couple years, the market won't be bearing much in the way of increases will it?

So wait a couple years. No problem...

But you get it right?

I certainly do and I am sure Obama's economic team does too which is why I doubt any tax increases will be implemented right away. But tax increases are coming so you might at well get use to the idea and stop getting your panties in such a wad. Jesus, cons did the same thing when Clinton raised taxes and the fricking world didn't come to an end and it won't now. Both business and consumers adjust to taxes and the world will continue to go on. Really, you guys need to get a life...

 

[dilloduck]

No, you are the one making that argument when you argued that a carbon tax will have no effect consumption.



So wait a couple years. No problem...



I certainly do and I am sure Obama's economic team does too which is why I doubt any tax increases will be implemented right away. But tax increases are coming so you might at well get use to the idea and stop getting your panties in such a wad. Jesus, cons did the same thing when Clinton raised taxes and the fricking world didn't come to an end and it won't now. Both business and consumers adjust to taxes and the world will continue to go on. Really, you guys need to get a life...

So does Al Gore but I'd rather not pay for his. You do understand that a climate change of some type is inevitable, don't you. The Earth will eventually shrug us off like dinosaurs.

 

[Skull Pilot]

the world continues to go on and we all have less choice and therefore less freedom because the government is limiting our choices by adding tax after tax after tax.

But you go ahead and believe that bigger, more expensive and more intrusive government is a good thing if it helps you sleep at night. But some of us don't need or want the government taking care of us.

 

[Skull Pilot]

the carbon tax may very well have an effect on consumption but only after prices rise dramatically, work forces get slashed to raise the funds needed to pay the additional tax AND make huge monetary outlays for new equipment and upgrades.

That's a good economic plan yes?

Taxes as punishment don't have good outcomes, unless of course all you care about is that businesses produce less carbon. To hell with businesses, consumers and employees as long as we get that carbon output down a little right?

The government wants people to own a home and it gives an interest tax deduction to promote home ownership. The government does not add an additional tax on current homeowners to help other people buy houses does it? Well now it does via the bail out and we see how that's working right?

The same strategy will work here. Give businesses that reduce carbon output a tax break and businesses will implement more solutions faster than if they have less money because of a punitive tax.

 

[editec]

The "free market" just gave us a 200% increase in oil prices and you folks are whining about a couple point increase because of taxes?

You people are nuts.

 

[NOBama]

Couple points here, a few points there. It adds up, Ed. Sad part is, it all gets passed on the the consumer.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The "free market" just gave us a 200% increase in oil prices and you folks are whining about a couple point increase because of taxes?

You people are nuts.

What free market would that be? America doesn't have a free market so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

 

[editec]

What free market?

You really do not understand how that market works, do you?

 

[NOBama]

I guess not. Apparently you have it all figured out.

But, I'm confident that I'll make some $ in what's left of the free market today. You?

 

[Skull Pilot]

The "free market" just gave us a 200% increase in oil prices and you folks are whining about a couple point increase because of taxes?

You people are nuts.

What's the free market have to do with a carbon tax?

It's an arbitrary fine that the government wants to place on businesses. And indirectly everyone else.

Jesus Christ, how much of our money does the government want?

Answer as much as we'll let it take plus a dollar more.

Government is rife with duplicat, trip;icate and quadrplicate agencies, offices and staff.

get rid of them and cut the salaries and percs of our public servants before asking citizens to pay more.

Let the government lead by example and cut, and conserve rather than the do as I say not as I do bullshit.

Over the last 25 years how much has the government wasted? 10 billion a year or more? My guess is more.

Take a fucking axe to government spending before taking a tax to my income

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

What free market?

You really do not understand how that market works, do you?

Not in the same way that you understand it, no. America doesn't have a free market, yet you somehow base everything that's gone wrong on it. So I'm once again confused as to how a non-existent free market caused the crisis.

 

[editec]

I guess not. Apparently you have it all figured out.

But, I'm confident that I'll make some $ in what's left of the free market today. You?

Are you telling me that the price of oil is not market driven, NO?

Doesn't that refute everything you've been telling us all along?

 

[NOBama]

Are you telling me that the price of oil is not market driven, NO?

Doesn't that refute everything you've been telling us all along?

I haven't been telling you a damn thing. I only express my opinions on this board, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about. At least no more than I understand why you continually to attempt to derail every post you particiapte in with your narrow minded socialistic views of the world.

Geez man, if you're that unhappy here, you're not very far from the Canadian boarder. Moving out is still an option in our society. Look into it.

 

[DiveCon]

The "free market" just gave us a 200% increase in oil prices and you folks are whining about a couple point increase because of taxes?

You people are nuts.

uh, have you checked oil prices lately?