Obama can save Biden from being charged with a crime, but then he also exonerates Trump

[Lastamender]

Biden is not going to be charged with anything. Biden's lawyers informed the appropriate federal agencies when the documents were discovered. They are also cooperating. Trump's lawyers lied, stonewalled and tried to bluff federal authorities.

That is a lie. Trump was negotiating and cooperating the whole time. Purely political persecution. Fascism.

 

[BlindBoo]

Trump was negotiating and cooperating the whole time.

Negotiating in bad faith is not cooperating.

 

[struth]

Negotiating in bad faith is not cooperating.

the only people saying it was bad faith was xiden amd he has no credibility on the issue since he was hiding top secret documents he stole for the past half decade

 

[Lastamender]

Negotiating in bad faith is not cooperating.

Saying it was in bad faith means nothing. Can you prove it?

 

[jknowgood]

Sure sure that's why they had to subpoena him because it was all good.

Yes, it was good.

 

[BlindBoo]

Saying it was in bad faith means nothing. Can you prove it?

It was the opinion of the DOJ who brought the matter to the Judge who signed off on the search warrant.

 

[BlindBoo]

the only people saying it was bad faith was xiden

Biden didn't argue for the search warrant. That was the DOJ.

 

[struth]

Biden didn't argue for the search warrant. That was the DOJ.

hey dumbass xiden runs the doj

 

[BlindBoo]

hey dumbass xiden runs the doj

No he doesn't. Neither did Trump.

Independence and Accountability at the Department of Justice

Over the weekend some conservative commentators pushed back on my tweet-claim that President Trump has “threaten[ed] DOJ/FBI over and over in gross violation of independence norms.” The Justice Department and its component the FBI “aren’t independent, nor should they be,” argued Sean Davis of...

www.lawfareblog.com

When Trump wanted Mueller gone last summer, he did not issue the order himself, as the unitary executive theory would suggest. He told White House Counsel Don McGahn to make it happen, but McGahn “refused to ask the Justice Department to dismiss the special counsel, saying he would quit instead.” McGahn would have had to ask DOJ to dismiss Mueller because the relevant statutes and regulations gave the control over Mueller’s termination to Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, not Trump. Rosenstein, in turn, is hemmed in by law and especially regulations in his ability to fire Mueller. The situation never got this far, but Trump could have fired Rosenstein if Rosenstein had failed to carry out an order to fire Mueller or to alter the relevant regulations. And yet the need to go to DOJ to accomplish these acts, and the political costs of having to fire an insubordinate DOJ official (and possibly the White House Counsel), are checks on the President and a form of DOJ independence. (Compare the Saturday Night Massacre, where it took two high-profile DOJ resignations to terminate Cox, which only resulted in the appointment of an equally assiduous Special Prosecutor, Leon Jaworski.)

 

[struth]

No he doesn't. Neither did Trump.

Independence and Accountability at the Department of Justice

Over the weekend some conservative commentators pushed back on my tweet-claim that President Trump has “threaten[ed] DOJ/FBI over and over in gross violation of independence norms.” The Justice Department and its component the FBI “aren’t independent, nor should they be,” argued Sean Davis of...

www.lawfareblog.com

When Trump wanted Mueller gone last summer, he did not issue the order himself, as the unitary executive theory would suggest. He told White House Counsel Don McGahn to make it happen, but McGahn “refused to ask the Justice Department to dismiss the special counsel, saying he would quit instead.” McGahn would have had to ask DOJ to dismiss Mueller because the relevant statutes and regulations gave the control over Mueller’s termination to Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, not Trump. Rosenstein, in turn, is hemmed in by law and especially regulations in his ability to fire Mueller. The situation never got this far, but Trump could have fired Rosenstein if Rosenstein had failed to carry out an order to fire Mueller or to alter the relevant regulations. And yet the need to go to DOJ to accomplish these acts, and the political costs of having to fire an insubordinate DOJ official (and possibly the White House Counsel), are checks on the President and a form of DOJ independence. (Compare the Saturday Night Massacre, where it took two high-profile DOJ resignations to terminate Cox, which only resulted in the appointment of an equally assiduous Special Prosecutor, Leon Jaworski.)

hahah the DOJ reports to xiden. The power of the executive vest in A President. The AG is a cabinet level position and reports directly to the president

 

[BlindBoo]

hahah the DOJ reports to xiden. The power of the executive vest in A President. The AG is a cabinet level position and reports directly to the president

The AG runs the DOJ. Ask Donnie.

 

[Marener]

Trump was negotiating and cooperating the whole time

No he wasn’t.

 

[Indeependent]

Trump BAD!
All other humans GOOD!

 

[struth]

The AG runs the DOJ. Ask Donnie.

the AG works for the President....geez man....do you all really not know the DOJ is part of the Executive Branch?

 

[BlindBoo]

the AG works for the President....geez man....do you all really not know the DOJ is part of the Executive Branch?

Doesn't give the President unitary control over the DOJ. The Neo-GOP wishes that it did I understand, but even during the TrumpyCoup the DOJ held firm.

 

[Billo_Really]

This is a wonderful thesis for a fictional novel.

It has nothing to do with reality and the laws of the USA.

I agree!

 

[sartre play]

Are you saying that ALL elements in both situations are the same?

I do not have enough information to pass judgment, So Where did Anyone get the FACTUAL information necessary to pass this information off as fact?
Why would anyone who posted here for months that a former president has Every right to take documents to an available to the public golf course, and hide or refuse to return documents .And ITS OK . But not ok for Biden?

 

[Catsnmeters]

What a catch-22! Biden can be charged with crime for stealing classified documents when he was VP, and the only way he can excuse this if it Obama says he declassified them and allowed their removal. But then, Obama will in the process exonerate Trump for doing the same. How delicious.

(Of course, this won’t save Biden if it turns out he was using that classified info to enrich his own family via dealings with the Communists.)

Biden just put Obama in a delightfully serious bind

The headline is delicious: Vice President Biden left the White House taking classified documents with him. However, what’s really lovely is the problem this creates for Obama: After all, he’s the only one who can rescue Biden but, by doin...

www.americanthinker.com

How does it save Trump if Obama declassified Biden's docs but not Trump's?

How does Obama declassifying documents help Trump with an obstruction charge?

 

[Independentthinker]

What a catch-22! Biden can be charged with crime for stealing classified documents when he was VP, and the only way he can excuse this if it Obama says he declassified them and allowed their removal. But then, Obama will in the process exonerate Trump for doing the same. How delicious.

(Of course, this won’t save Biden if it turns out he was using that classified info to enrich his own family via dealings with the Communists.)

Biden just put Obama in a delightfully serious bind

The headline is delicious: Vice President Biden left the White House taking classified documents with him. However, what’s really lovely is the problem this creates for Obama: After all, he’s the only one who can rescue Biden but, by doin...

www.americanthinker.com

I'd have to disagree. There are different laws for Republicans than there are for Democrats.

 

[Lisa558]

I'd have to disagree. There are different laws for Republicans than there are for Democrats.

There have been up until now, but this is so blatant that Democrats might fear they will lose the votes of independents if they apply the double standards here. The people who are firm Democrats won’t care - or worse, will deny it - but they’re a lost cause anyway.