NY Times Propagandist declares China superior to USA

[Unkotare]

Don't be so sure. The "unity" of people who keep their mouths shut out of fear is tenuous at best. If a foreign power really threatened us, Americans would pull together very quickly.

That is your opinion. ...

Based on a comprehensive understanding of history. We are in no way comparable to the Austro-Hungarian Empire in 1914.

Do you like the Soviet Union example better? They sprang apart into fragments in 1991, didn't even need a war.....

They didn't spring apart, several ancient lands reverted to an independence they had enjoyed until forced under the Iron Curtain.

 

[Unkotare]

Don't be so sure. The "unity" of people who keep their mouths shut out of fear is tenuous at best. If a foreign power really threatened us, Americans would pull together very quickly.

That is your opinion. ...

Based on a comprehensive understanding of history. We are in no way comparable to the Austro-Hungarian Empire in 1914.

That's your opinion. ...

An opinion based on a comprehensive understanding of history, whereas you are merely motivated by a rooting interest in the dissolution of a nation you certainly seem to hate.

 

[Circe]

Rome didn't "move" to Constantinople, it divided into two empires.

See what I mean? It divided into two empires, or rather the west pretended for a while longer. They pulled way back from many borders: abandoning Britain entirely in the early 400s. And then fell apart in the west by the middle/late 600s (no, NOT by 476 --- the emperors in Ravenna held it together a few more years, really).

One big problem with our falling apart as we are doing is that separate small countries are easy to defeat and be taken over by whomever --- Visagoths, Huns, Chinese, whoever is marauding at the time it happens.

 

[Unkotare]

Rome didn't "move" to Constantinople, it divided into two empires.

See what I mean? It divided into two empires, or rather the west pretended for a while longer. ....

Rome persisted for over 1000 years. Not bad.

 

[Circe]

America has continued to grow and prosper with greater diversity than almost any other nation long after the douche bag Wilson departed for hell.

True, but like Rome and Austria-Hungary, this malignant diversity is a canker that will defeat us sooner rather than later, IMO.

 

[Unkotare]

....One big problem with our falling apart as we are doing ....

We are not. You are just hoping that we are.

 

[Circe]

Unkotare: "you are merely motivated by a rooting interest in the dissolution of a nation you certainly seem to hate."



I used to quite like it. . . . .

But it's gone downhill fast.

 

[marvin martian]

The Chinese have millions of chinese loyal to China. The United States has millions of democrats also loyal to China.

Exactly. China's prime asset was just installed in the White House. They've already conquered America, now it's just about when we fight back to expel them.

 

[Unkotare]

... Homogeneity is necessary for a nationstate...

That is demonstrably false.

President Wilson didn't think so. He believed every ethnic/racial/national group should have its own nation state. And that nations weren't workable otherwise. I agree.

Wilson was a racist douche bag of just the sort democrats today would admire. America has continued to grow and prosper with greater diversity than almost any other nation long after the douche bag Wilson departed for hell.

True, but like Rome and Austria-Hungary, this malignant diversity is a canker that will defeat us sooner rather than later, IMO.

You are just griping and wishing ill on the world like a terminal old man who wants nothing more than for the world to end with him. Well too bad, because we aren't. Our "diversity" has been and continues to be one of our greatest strengths.

 

[Circe]

You are just griping and wishing ill on the world like a terminal old man who wants nothing more than for the world to end with him. Well too bad, because we aren't. Our "diversity" has been and continues to be one of our greatest strengths.

Reminds me of my favorite Wall Street Journal cartoon: Two Indians sit on a rock and watch Columbus' ships come in. One says to the other, "Don't worry. In diversity is our strength."

And it reminds me of the best thing I ever read that Nancy Pelosi said, when the Squad was trying to overthrow her after the 2016 election. She said, "In diversity is our strength. But in unity is our power."

Wow. Was she ever right about that. A lesson for everyone, even me.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You realize we aren't fighting with muskets anymore, marching in formation across and open field, right?

Napoleonic squares and lines were dispensed with as fast as gun technology got better: it was an awful tactic.

Size and speed of the army always matters in any tactics, however: The Fall of France in 1940, with the Germans madly rushing through the Argonne and to the sea with tanks, and the French running away so fast at the first glimpse of them that they choked the ditches all the way to Paris with thrown-away rifles and uniforms, to the point that the roads flooded.

Here's a size example: Germans had the speed again in 41 when they attacked Russia, but Russia had the size (as ever) and that won them the war.

If you want to protest that technology matters now, remember that for every smart software-savvy soldier we have, the Chinese have four. And they've already stolen most of our technology, so they don't have to reinvent the wheel, as people say.

Size and speed of the army always matters in any tactics, however: The Fall of France in 1940, with the Germans madly rushing through the Argonne and to the sea with tanks

China is going to Blitzkrieg across the Mexican border?

 

[Circe]

Size and speed of the army always matters in any tactics, however: The Fall of France in 1940, with the Germans madly rushing through the Argonne and to the sea with tanks

China is going to Blitzkrieg across the Mexican border?

Why not? It's the best place to Blitzkrieg --- a lot better than the Argonne! They had the world's longest traffic jam there at the beginning of the invasion of France, all that forest and windy roads.

 

[Unkotare]

Unkotare: "you are merely motivated by a rooting interest in the dissolution of a nation you certainly seem to hate."



I used to quite like it. . . . .

But it's gone downhill fast.

And there stands revealed your true motivation in all of this. Better you just declared your hatred for my county and moved on to somewhere else than go through all this misreading of history.

 

[Unkotare]

You realize we aren't fighting with muskets anymore, marching in formation across and open field, right?

Napoleonic squares and lines were dispensed with as fast as gun technology got better: it was an awful tactic.

Size and speed of the army always matters in any tactics, however: The Fall of France in 1940, with the Germans madly rushing through the Argonne and to the sea with tanks, and the French running away so fast at the first glimpse of them that they choked the ditches all the way to Paris with thrown-away rifles and uniforms, to the point that the roads flooded.

Here's a size example: Germans had the speed again in 41 when they attacked Russia, but Russia had the size (as ever) and that won them the war.

If you want to protest that technology matters now, remember that for every smart software-savvy soldier we have, the Chinese have four. And they've already stolen most of our technology, so they don't have to reinvent the wheel, as people say.

Size and speed of the army always matters in any tactics, however: The Fall of France in 1940, with the Germans madly rushing through the Argonne and to the sea with tanks

China is going to Blitzkrieg across the Mexican border?

Why not? ......

Because the Chinese navy would be directed to the bottom of the Pacific Ocean before any significant number of troops could enjoy their first bout with dysentery.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Size and speed of the army always matters in any tactics, however: The Fall of France in 1940, with the Germans madly rushing through the Argonne and to the sea with tanks

China is going to Blitzkrieg across the Mexican border?

Why not? It's the best place to Blitzkrieg --- a lot better than the Argonne! They had the world's longest traffic jam there at the beginning of the invasion of France, all that forest and windy roads.

Why not?

Because they'd have to move thousands of tanks and hundreds of thousands of troops into Mexico and we'd see them coming.

It's the best place to Blitzkrieg

LOL!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You realize we aren't fighting with muskets anymore, marching in formation across and open field, right?

Napoleonic squares and lines were dispensed with as fast as gun technology got better: it was an awful tactic.

Size and speed of the army always matters in any tactics, however: The Fall of France in 1940, with the Germans madly rushing through the Argonne and to the sea with tanks, and the French running away so fast at the first glimpse of them that they choked the ditches all the way to Paris with thrown-away rifles and uniforms, to the point that the roads flooded.

Here's a size example: Germans had the speed again in 41 when they attacked Russia, but Russia had the size (as ever) and that won them the war.

If you want to protest that technology matters now, remember that for every smart software-savvy soldier we have, the Chinese have four. And they've already stolen most of our technology, so they don't have to reinvent the wheel, as people say.

Size and speed of the army always matters in any tactics, however: The Fall of France in 1940, with the Germans madly rushing through the Argonne and to the sea with tanks

China is going to Blitzkrieg across the Mexican border?

Why not? ......

Because the Chinese navy would be directed to the bottom of the Pacific Ocean before any significant number of troops could enjoy their first bout with dysentery.

Stealth rowboats......they'd sneak in 8 at a time. We're doomed.

 

[Circe]

Size and speed of the army always matters in any tactics, however: The Fall of France in 1940, with the Germans madly rushing through the Argonne and to the sea with tanks

China is going to Blitzkrieg across the Mexican border?

Why not? It's the best place to Blitzkrieg --- a lot better than the Argonne! They had the world's longest traffic jam there at the beginning of the invasion of France, all that forest and windy roads.

Why not?

Because they'd have to move thousands of tanks and hundreds of thousands of troops into Mexico and we'd see them coming.

It's the best place to Blitzkrieg

LOL!

Are you thinking that no army can ever move to a border unless it can be done secretly? I don't know about that --- the Germans kept doing it in two world wars, every possible border.

When they can, they do, that's all. I agree they couldn't probably get away with it next Tuesday, but if things change, we'll see. I'm surprised with the history of invasions everywhere everywhen all around the world and history, the idea of an invasion here strikes you as impossible. We'd have to be torn down some first, of course, as with the American invasion of the Japanese home islands.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Size and speed of the army always matters in any tactics, however: The Fall of France in 1940, with the Germans madly rushing through the Argonne and to the sea with tanks

China is going to Blitzkrieg across the Mexican border?

Why not? It's the best place to Blitzkrieg --- a lot better than the Argonne! They had the world's longest traffic jam there at the beginning of the invasion of France, all that forest and windy roads.

Invasion?

"Behind each blade of grass would be an American with a rifle."
- attributed to Isoroku Yamamoto

Whether it was he who said it or not, it is a true assessment.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Are you thinking that no army can ever move to a border unless it can be done secretly?

You think if we see thousands of tanks rolling across the border, we can't stop them?

the idea of an invasion here strikes you as impossible.

Are you worried about the Chinese navy?
They haven't invaded Taiwan yet, 90 miles away, they're gonna move
hundreds of thousands of troops across more than 6,000 miles of ocean?

 

[Circe]

"Behind each blade of grass would be an American with a rifle."
- attributed to Isoroku Yamamoto

Whether it was he who said it or not, it is a true assessment.

Even the leftists and blacks?

Naaaaaaaaah. I don't believe that. I believe you would be: but this is not a united country.