NSA collecting phone records of millions of Verizon users: Why?

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Not a conspiracy theory. It's really happening. The Guardian has a copy of the court order.

I'd heard this on Levin earlier and checked it out. The Guardian (left wing Brit newspaper) is reporting that the NSA is secretly collecting millions of Verizon subscribers phone records.

Check this out.

Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

Exclusive: Top secret court order requiring Verizon to hand over all call data shows scale of domestic surveillance under Obama

The National Security Agency is currently collecting the telephone records of millions of US customers of Verizon, one of America's largest telecoms providers, under a top secret court order issued in April.

The order, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, requires Verizon on an "ongoing, daily basis" to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the US and between the US and other countries.

The document shows for the first time that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of US citizens are being collected indiscriminately and in bulk – regardless of whether they are suspected of any wrongdoing.

The secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (Fisa) granted the order to the FBI on April 25, giving the government unlimited authority to obtain the data for a specified three-month period ending on July 19.

Under the terms of the blanket order, the numbers of both parties on a call are handed over, as is location data, call duration, unique identifiers, and the time and duration of all calls. The contents of the conversation itself are not covered.

The disclosure is likely to reignite longstanding debates in the US over the proper extent of the government's domestic spying powers.

Under the Bush administration, officials in security agencies had disclosed to reporters the large-scale collection of call records data by the NSA, but this is the first time significant and top-secret documents have revealed the continuation of the practice on a massive scale under President Obama.

The unlimited nature of the records being handed over to the NSA is extremely unusual. Fisa court orders typically direct the production of records pertaining to a specific named target who is suspected of being an agent of a terrorist group or foreign state, or a finite set of individually named targets.

The Guardian approached the National Security Agency, the White House and the Department of Justice for comment in advance of publication on Wednesday.

All declined. The agencies were also offered the opportunity to raise specific security concerns regarding the publication of the court order.

The court order expressly bars Verizon from disclosing to the public either the existence of the FBI's request for its customers' records, or the court order itself.


More at link:

Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily | World news | The Guardian
 
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What the hell are they looking for in those records? Maybe just trying to figure out everything they can about people, so they can group us. It's one thing to spy on someone who is suspected of a serious crime, but they seem to be sticking their nose in everyone's business just to see who people are talking to and what they're doing.
 
I expect to see the left wing outrage in

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For the camps?

Im not sure if you are trying to be ridiculous, but anything is possible.

That's why we should be working for a limited government. So they don't have the power to even tip toe down that road. And we can't say it wont happen, because it's happened before.
 
Here is another one..

Dept. of Homeland Security: Laptops, Phones Can Be Searched Based on Hunches « CBS DC

U.S. border agents should continue to be allowed to search a traveler’s laptop, cellphone or other electronic device and keep copies of any data on them based on no more than a hunch, according to an internal Homeland Security Department study. It contends limiting such searches would prevent the U.S. from detecting child pornographers or terrorists and expose the government to lawsuits.

The 23-page report, obtained by The Associated Press and the American Civil Liberties Union under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act, provides a rare glimpse of the Obama administration’s thinking on the long-standing but controversial practice of border agents and immigration officers searching and in some cases holding for weeks or months the digital devices of anyone trying to enter the U.S.

Since his election, President Barack Obama has taken an expansive view of legal authorities in the name of national security, asserting that he can order the deaths of U.S. citizens abroad who are suspected of terrorism without involvement by courts, investigate reporters as criminals and — in this case — read and copy the contents of computers carried by U.S. travelers without a good reason to suspect wrongdoing.
 
The paranoid Obama administration is hell bent on weeding out anyone and everyone who opposes him or questions anything he says or does in any way, shape, or form. This is a search, identify, and destroy mission.
 
Not a conspiracy theory. It's really happening. The Guardian has a copy of the court order.

I'd heard this on Levin earlier and checked it out. The Guardian (left wing Brit newspaper) is reporting that the NSA is secretly collecting millions of Verizon subscribers phone records.

Check this out.

Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

Exclusive: Top secret court order requiring Verizon to hand over all call data shows scale of domestic surveillance under Obama

The National Security Agency is currently collecting the telephone records of millions of US customers of Verizon, one of America's largest telecoms providers, under a top secret court order issued in April.

The order, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, requires Verizon on an "ongoing, daily basis" to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the US and between the US and other countries.

The document shows for the first time that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of US citizens are being collected indiscriminately and in bulk – regardless of whether they are suspected of any wrongdoing.

The secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (Fisa) granted the order to the FBI on April 25, giving the government unlimited authority to obtain the data for a specified three-month period ending on July 19.

Under the terms of the blanket order, the numbers of both parties on a call are handed over, as is location data, call duration, unique identifiers, and the time and duration of all calls. The contents of the conversation itself are not covered.

The disclosure is likely to reignite longstanding debates in the US over the proper extent of the government's domestic spying powers.

Under the Bush administration, officials in security agencies had disclosed to reporters the large-scale collection of call records data by the NSA, but this is the first time significant and top-secret documents have revealed the continuation of the practice on a massive scale under President Obama.

The unlimited nature of the records being handed over to the NSA is extremely unusual. Fisa court orders typically direct the production of records pertaining to a specific named target who is suspected of being an agent of a terrorist group or foreign state, or a finite set of individually named targets.

The Guardian approached the National Security Agency, the White House and the Department of Justice for comment in advance of publication on Wednesday.

All declined. The agencies were also offered the opportunity to raise specific security concerns regarding the publication of the court order.

The court order expressly bars Verizon from disclosing to the public either the existence of the FBI's request for its customers' records, or the court order itself.


More at link:

Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily | World news | The Guardian


I believe it is because the NSA Data base center in Utah went online last week. It is the largest spy data base center in the USA. It can hold all info on every citizen of America. It ties in with the IRS ( which has power to seize your property & bank accounts ) and with this new information they are getting ( also from google - Fox News - others they recently demanded all info be released to them on customers in their data bases ) it is all being transferring to Utah NSA Data Base Center. Your medical history records will be on file there too.


Believe it or not this also ties into Obamacare and how they will have a look at your assets to see what you have vs. what you can afford in healthcare - etc. - I expect the govt to use this data base to serve their own purposes.

Imagine the possibilities once under Obamacare and your under the bell curve age ' Complete Lives Systems" say 11 yrs old orphan raised by nannies. You are going to die if you don't get the operation but NSA Utah Data Base reports your bank acct shows you are worth 100 million dollars and no heirs - it is all yours and government gets it if you die. How's that sounding now? Keep in mind under Complete Lives Systems - Obamacare that is legal because 0-14 is under the bell curve and over 45 is over it... if you are not producing for the state you won't be getting that life saving surgery the guy inside bell curve will.

Under a dangerous administration this is the ultimate weapon. You can be sure they are on the fast track now. - Jeri
 
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So, how 'bout it, Lakhota, you still giving Obama your unconditional support?

Well, he's keeping me safe and I sleep well at night - plus, I'm not trying to hide anything. How about you?
Just because you don't have anything to hide doesn't give Obama administration the right to do this. What happened to our 4th amendment! Once they take our rights away they won't give them back. Do you want that to happen. And did he keep the Boston marathon safe? How about the fort hood shooting. Were they safe?.. How about Benghazi. Were they safe or protected?..
 
BOOOOOOOOOSH
What 2 Party system?

Verizon providing all call records to U.S. under court order - The Washington Post

The order, which was signed by a judge from the secret court that oversees domestic surveillance, was first reported on the Web site of the Guardian newspaper. The Web site reproduced a copy of the order, which two former U.S. officials told The Washington Post appears to be authentic.
If the document is genuine, it could represent the broadest surveillance order known to have been issued. It also would confirm long-standing suspicions of civil liberties advocates about the sweeping nature of U.S. surveillance through commercial carriers under laws passed after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

An expert in this aspect of the law said Wednesday night that the order appears to be a routine renewal of a similar order first issued by the same court in 2006. The expert, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive issues, said that the order is reissued routinely every 90 days and that it is not related to any particular investigation by the FBI or any other agency.

The expert referred to such orders as “rubber stamps” sought by the telephone companies to protect themselves after the disclosure in 2005 that widespread warrantless wiretaps could leave them liable for damages.

The order falls under Section 215 of the Patriot Act, which authorizes the government to make broad demands on telephone carriers for information about calls. In this case, the order requires Verizon to provide “ongoing, daily” information about “all call detail records . . . created by Verizon for communications between the United States and abroad; or wholly within the United States, including local telephone calls.”

After the September 2001 terrorist attacks, the Bush administration began a secret NSA program for the bulk collection of Americans’ call records as part of a broader counterterrorism effort that included the wiretapping of Americans’ international phone communications with suspected terrorists without a warrant. The latter effort was put under secret court supervision in 2007. But until now, there had been no evidence that the call records program, whose disclosure by USA Today in 2006 created an uproar, continued under the Obama administration.
 
DO WHAT?! Oh heeeeellll no. I'm a Verizon customer. Last straw taken. This Templar's bout to raise some cain!

Not only has the Patriot Act been blown out of proportion, now the Obama Administration is using it to spy on ordinary citizens! Absolutely unacceptable!
 
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