NRA wants Obama "ENFORCE current gun laws"! So WHY MORE LAWS if current laws not enforced?

[healthmyths]

Obama has thrown up once again the "MORE GUN LAWS" meme YET... what good would more laws do if the existing laws aren't enforced?

The Obama Administration Justice Department is also not strongly enforcing prosecutions of people who falsify information on their gun background checks.
The FBI reported 71,000 instances of people lying on their background checks to buy guns in 2009.
But the Justice Department prosecuted a mere 77 cases, or a fraction of 1%.

There's no good reason to not enforce this law and prosecute violators. This also has strong support, with 99% of non-NRA member gun owners and 95% of NRA members expressing support for punishing traffickers to the full extent of the law. This is another area where the Obama Administration can "do better."

The irony is that gun rights advocates have argued for years that it's not that more gun laws are needed, but that the existing laws need to be better enforced.
Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) said, "gun-rights activists [have] been saying for years and years [that] the existing laws should be enforced more effectively and proactively." In line with that, the NRA backed the 2007 NICS Improvement Amendments Act that President Bush signed into law.

Gun Control Facts: Existing Gun Laws Would Reduce Crime, But These Are Not Enforced
WHY!!!

The committee, which has held hearings in recent weeks on ways to prevent gun violence, again called into focus statistics that show a dramatic drop in federal weapons prosecutions over the past decade.

The letters cite a Syracuse University study that show firearms prosecutions under President George W. Bush peaked at 11,015 in 2004 while the Obama administration has prosecuted about 7,774 firearms cases in 2012.

Obama, Holder Called Out for Not Enforcing Existing Gun Laws

Remember Obama has NOT pushed for Pipe bomb bans! Why NOT?

San Bernardino Attackers Had Bomb Factory in Garage - NBC News
www.nbcnews.com1346 × 1000Search by image
This a bag that contains what appear to be about a dozen pipe bombs found at the suspects' house. Robert Dembo / NBC News

 

[Rotagilla]

I'd like to see the gay manchurian muslim ENFORCE our immigration laws and stop bringing in hordes of 3rd world peasants to colonize our country...but since he knows that allowing terrorists and illegals to enter undermines white america, THAT'LL never happen..he only wants to enforce the laws HE likes...anything else and he will perform his usual "executive order" trick to bypass or do an end run around the constitution.

 

[imawhosure]

Obama has thrown up once again the "MORE GUN LAWS" meme YET... what good would more laws do if the existing laws aren't enforced?

The Obama Administration Justice Department is also not strongly enforcing prosecutions of people who falsify information on their gun background checks.
The FBI reported 71,000 instances of people lying on their background checks to buy guns in 2009.
But the Justice Department prosecuted a mere 77 cases, or a fraction of 1%.

There's no good reason to not enforce this law and prosecute violators. This also has strong support, with 99% of non-NRA member gun owners and 95% of NRA members expressing support for punishing traffickers to the full extent of the law. This is another area where the Obama Administration can "do better."

The irony is that gun rights advocates have argued for years that it's not that more gun laws are needed, but that the existing laws need to be better enforced.
Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) said, "gun-rights activists [have] been saying for years and years [that] the existing laws should be enforced more effectively and proactively." In line with that, the NRA backed the 2007 NICS Improvement Amendments Act that President Bush signed into law.

Gun Control Facts: Existing Gun Laws Would Reduce Crime, But These Are Not Enforced
WHY!!!

The committee, which has held hearings in recent weeks on ways to prevent gun violence, again called into focus statistics that show a dramatic drop in federal weapons prosecutions over the past decade.

The letters cite a Syracuse University study that show firearms prosecutions under President George W. Bush peaked at 11,015 in 2004 while the Obama administration has prosecuted about 7,774 firearms cases in 2012.

Obama, Holder Called Out for Not Enforcing Existing Gun Laws

Remember Obama has NOT pushed for Pipe bomb bans! Why NOT?

San Bernardino Attackers Had Bomb Factory in Garage - NBC News
www.nbcnews.com1346 × 1000Search by image
This a bag that contains what appear to be about a dozen pipe bombs found at the suspects' house. Robert Dembo / NBC News
View attachment 56285

Because Mr OP, the reason is it is not the laws, it is how they can get guns out of Americans hands. There is no legislation to stop gun violence, because the people who are doing it are already breaking laws to start with. The left knows this, the right knows this, and so it is avoidance of speaking about what they actually must do, break the 2nd amendment, and confiscate all fire arms.

Why do you think gun advocates fight tooth and nail against ANYTHING the left attempts to do on this issue?!?!?! Because it is plainly obvious what the only way to stop this is, and that is BAN all guns, from both law abiding citizens, and everyone else. It is not rocket science! That is the only plan that would work, the left is trying to do it, and to do it, they have to break the constitution. There you have it, plain and simple!

 

[Rotagilla]

Obama has thrown up once again the "MORE GUN LAWS" meme YET... what good would more laws do if the existing laws aren't enforced?

The Obama Administration Justice Department is also not strongly enforcing prosecutions of people who falsify information on their gun background checks.
The FBI reported 71,000 instances of people lying on their background checks to buy guns in 2009.
But the Justice Department prosecuted a mere 77 cases, or a fraction of 1%.

There's no good reason to not enforce this law and prosecute violators. This also has strong support, with 99% of non-NRA member gun owners and 95% of NRA members expressing support for punishing traffickers to the full extent of the law. This is another area where the Obama Administration can "do better."

The irony is that gun rights advocates have argued for years that it's not that more gun laws are needed, but that the existing laws need to be better enforced.
Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) said, "gun-rights activists [have] been saying for years and years [that] the existing laws should be enforced more effectively and proactively." In line with that, the NRA backed the 2007 NICS Improvement Amendments Act that President Bush signed into law.

Gun Control Facts: Existing Gun Laws Would Reduce Crime, But These Are Not Enforced
WHY!!!

The committee, which has held hearings in recent weeks on ways to prevent gun violence, again called into focus statistics that show a dramatic drop in federal weapons prosecutions over the past decade.

The letters cite a Syracuse University study that show firearms prosecutions under President George W. Bush peaked at 11,015 in 2004 while the Obama administration has prosecuted about 7,774 firearms cases in 2012.

Obama, Holder Called Out for Not Enforcing Existing Gun Laws

Remember Obama has NOT pushed for Pipe bomb bans! Why NOT?

San Bernardino Attackers Had Bomb Factory in Garage - NBC News
www.nbcnews.com1346 × 1000Search by image
This a bag that contains what appear to be about a dozen pipe bombs found at the suspects' house. Robert Dembo / NBC News
View attachment 56285

Because Mr OP, the reason is it is not the laws, it is how they can get guns out of Americans hands. There is no legislation to stop gun violence, because the people who are doing it are already breaking laws to start with. The left knows this, the right knows this, and so it is avoidance of speaking about what they actually must do, break the 2nd amendment, and confiscate all fire arms.

Why do you think gun advocates fight tooth and nail against ANYTHING the left attempts to do on this issue?!?!?! Because it is plainly obvious what the only way to stop this is, and that is BAN all guns, from both law abiding citizens, and everyone else. It is not rocket science! That is the only plan that would work, the left is trying to do it, and to do it, they have to break the constitution. There you have it, plain and simple!

not going to happen. america will "break" before we allow the left to hijack the bill of rights.

 

[imawhosure]

Obama has thrown up once again the "MORE GUN LAWS" meme YET... what good would more laws do if the existing laws aren't enforced?

The Obama Administration Justice Department is also not strongly enforcing prosecutions of people who falsify information on their gun background checks.
The FBI reported 71,000 instances of people lying on their background checks to buy guns in 2009.
But the Justice Department prosecuted a mere 77 cases, or a fraction of 1%.

There's no good reason to not enforce this law and prosecute violators. This also has strong support, with 99% of non-NRA member gun owners and 95% of NRA members expressing support for punishing traffickers to the full extent of the law. This is another area where the Obama Administration can "do better."

The irony is that gun rights advocates have argued for years that it's not that more gun laws are needed, but that the existing laws need to be better enforced.
Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) said, "gun-rights activists [have] been saying for years and years [that] the existing laws should be enforced more effectively and proactively." In line with that, the NRA backed the 2007 NICS Improvement Amendments Act that President Bush signed into law.

Gun Control Facts: Existing Gun Laws Would Reduce Crime, But These Are Not Enforced
WHY!!!

The committee, which has held hearings in recent weeks on ways to prevent gun violence, again called into focus statistics that show a dramatic drop in federal weapons prosecutions over the past decade.

The letters cite a Syracuse University study that show firearms prosecutions under President George W. Bush peaked at 11,015 in 2004 while the Obama administration has prosecuted about 7,774 firearms cases in 2012.

Obama, Holder Called Out for Not Enforcing Existing Gun Laws

Remember Obama has NOT pushed for Pipe bomb bans! Why NOT?

San Bernardino Attackers Had Bomb Factory in Garage - NBC News
www.nbcnews.com1346 × 1000Search by image
This a bag that contains what appear to be about a dozen pipe bombs found at the suspects' house. Robert Dembo / NBC News
View attachment 56285

Because Mr OP, the reason is it is not the laws, it is how they can get guns out of Americans hands. There is no legislation to stop gun violence, because the people who are doing it are already breaking laws to start with. The left knows this, the right knows this, and so it is avoidance of speaking about what they actually must do, break the 2nd amendment, and confiscate all fire arms.

Why do you think gun advocates fight tooth and nail against ANYTHING the left attempts to do on this issue?!?!?! Because it is plainly obvious what the only way to stop this is, and that is BAN all guns, from both law abiding citizens, and everyone else. It is not rocket science! That is the only plan that would work, the left is trying to do it, and to do it, they have to break the constitution. There you have it, plain and simple!

not going to happen. america will "break" before we allow the left to hijack the bill of rights.

I am not disagreeing with you Rotagilla, and I hope I haven't given the impression that I am for confiscation or the breaking of the 2nd amendment. All I was trying to point out how phony the lefts arguments really are. When we ask the left to give us 1 2 laws that will stop gun violence, they can't do it, because the laws are already in place to prevent it. Criminals do not follow laws, law abiding citizens do!

And so, the truth is as plain as day......the left just keeps inching us towards an outright ban on firearms, it is the only choice they have, and we have to admit what they are trying to do to know if we will accept it. I do not, but it is up to each individual to make that choice for themselves.

 

[whitehall]

If the left was serious about gun violence the first thing they would do is call for the indictment of the ATF officers who participated in and politicians who authorized operation Fast/Furious that shipped 3,000 illegal weapons to Mexican drug cartels. A U.S. Border Patrol Officer was killed by one of the weapons and perhaps hundreds of innocent Mexican citizens but Barry Hussein got away with claiming executive privilege and the liberal media wasn't interested in pursuing it.

 

[Rotagilla]

Obama has thrown up once again the "MORE GUN LAWS" meme YET... what good would more laws do if the existing laws aren't enforced?

The Obama Administration Justice Department is also not strongly enforcing prosecutions of people who falsify information on their gun background checks.
The FBI reported 71,000 instances of people lying on their background checks to buy guns in 2009.
But the Justice Department prosecuted a mere 77 cases, or a fraction of 1%.

There's no good reason to not enforce this law and prosecute violators. This also has strong support, with 99% of non-NRA member gun owners and 95% of NRA members expressing support for punishing traffickers to the full extent of the law. This is another area where the Obama Administration can "do better."

The irony is that gun rights advocates have argued for years that it's not that more gun laws are needed, but that the existing laws need to be better enforced.
Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) said, "gun-rights activists [have] been saying for years and years [that] the existing laws should be enforced more effectively and proactively." In line with that, the NRA backed the 2007 NICS Improvement Amendments Act that President Bush signed into law.

Gun Control Facts: Existing Gun Laws Would Reduce Crime, But These Are Not Enforced
WHY!!!

The committee, which has held hearings in recent weeks on ways to prevent gun violence, again called into focus statistics that show a dramatic drop in federal weapons prosecutions over the past decade.

The letters cite a Syracuse University study that show firearms prosecutions under President George W. Bush peaked at 11,015 in 2004 while the Obama administration has prosecuted about 7,774 firearms cases in 2012.

Obama, Holder Called Out for Not Enforcing Existing Gun Laws

Remember Obama has NOT pushed for Pipe bomb bans! Why NOT?

San Bernardino Attackers Had Bomb Factory in Garage - NBC News
www.nbcnews.com1346 × 1000Search by image
This a bag that contains what appear to be about a dozen pipe bombs found at the suspects' house. Robert Dembo / NBC News
View attachment 56285

Because Mr OP, the reason is it is not the laws, it is how they can get guns out of Americans hands. There is no legislation to stop gun violence, because the people who are doing it are already breaking laws to start with. The left knows this, the right knows this, and so it is avoidance of speaking about what they actually must do, break the 2nd amendment, and confiscate all fire arms.

Why do you think gun advocates fight tooth and nail against ANYTHING the left attempts to do on this issue?!?!?! Because it is plainly obvious what the only way to stop this is, and that is BAN all guns, from both law abiding citizens, and everyone else. It is not rocket science! That is the only plan that would work, the left is trying to do it, and to do it, they have to break the constitution. There you have it, plain and simple!

not going to happen. america will "break" before we allow the left to hijack the bill of rights.

I am not disagreeing with you Rotagilla, and I hope I haven't given the impression that I am for confiscation or the breaking of the 2nd amendment. All I was trying to point out how phony the lefts arguments really are. When we ask the left to give us 1 2 laws that will stop gun violence, they can't do it, because the laws are already in place to prevent it. Criminals do not follow laws, law abiding citizens do!

And so, the truth is as plain as day......the left just keeps inching us towards an outright ban on firearms, it is the only choice they have, and we have to admit what they are trying to do to know if we will accept it. I do not, but it is up to each individual to make that choice for themselves.

Thanks...I agree with everything you said....but I do believe if they seriously try, america will "break"...and at this point that may not be a bad thing. If we don't get an american patriot in office this next cycle, there won't be much worth saving...

collapse, partitioning to stop the bloodshed and then reconstruction.... just like in every other 3rd world nation that collapses.

 

[healthmyths]

Obama has thrown up once again the "MORE GUN LAWS" meme YET... what good would more laws do if the existing laws aren't enforced?

The Obama Administration Justice Department is also not strongly enforcing prosecutions of people who falsify information on their gun background checks.
The FBI reported 71,000 instances of people lying on their background checks to buy guns in 2009.
But the Justice Department prosecuted a mere 77 cases, or a fraction of 1%.

There's no good reason to not enforce this law and prosecute violators. This also has strong support, with 99% of non-NRA member gun owners and 95% of NRA members expressing support for punishing traffickers to the full extent of the law. This is another area where the Obama Administration can "do better."

The irony is that gun rights advocates have argued for years that it's not that more gun laws are needed, but that the existing laws need to be better enforced.
Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) said, "gun-rights activists [have] been saying for years and years [that] the existing laws should be enforced more effectively and proactively." In line with that, the NRA backed the 2007 NICS Improvement Amendments Act that President Bush signed into law.

Gun Control Facts: Existing Gun Laws Would Reduce Crime, But These Are Not Enforced
WHY!!!

The committee, which has held hearings in recent weeks on ways to prevent gun violence, again called into focus statistics that show a dramatic drop in federal weapons prosecutions over the past decade.

The letters cite a Syracuse University study that show firearms prosecutions under President George W. Bush peaked at 11,015 in 2004 while the Obama administration has prosecuted about 7,774 firearms cases in 2012.

Obama, Holder Called Out for Not Enforcing Existing Gun Laws

Remember Obama has NOT pushed for Pipe bomb bans! Why NOT?

San Bernardino Attackers Had Bomb Factory in Garage - NBC News
www.nbcnews.com1346 × 1000Search by image
This a bag that contains what appear to be about a dozen pipe bombs found at the suspects' house. Robert Dembo / NBC News
View attachment 56285

Because Mr OP, the reason is it is not the laws, it is how they can get guns out of Americans hands. There is no legislation to stop gun violence, because the people who are doing it are already breaking laws to start with. The left knows this, the right knows this, and so it is avoidance of speaking about what they actually must do, break the 2nd amendment, and confiscate all fire arms.

Why do you think gun advocates fight tooth and nail against ANYTHING the left attempts to do on this issue?!?!?! Because it is plainly obvious what the only way to stop this is, and that is BAN all guns, from both law abiding citizens, and everyone else. It is not rocket science! That is the only plan that would work, the left is trying to do it, and to do it, they have to break the constitution. There you have it, plain and simple!

not going to happen. america will "break" before we allow the left to hijack the bill of rights.

I am not disagreeing with you Rotagilla, and I hope I haven't given the impression that I am for confiscation or the breaking of the 2nd amendment. All I was trying to point out how phony the lefts arguments really are. When we ask the left to give us 1 2 laws that will stop gun violence, they can't do it, because the laws are already in place to prevent it. Criminals do not follow laws, law abiding citizens do!

And so, the truth is as plain as day......the left just keeps inching us towards an outright ban on firearms, it is the only choice they have, and we have to admit what they are trying to do to know if we will accept it. I do not, but it is up to each individual to make that choice for themselves.

Thanks...I agree with everything you said....but I do believe if they seriously try, america will "break"...and at this point that may not be a bad thing. If we don't get an american patriot in office this next cycle, there won't be much worth saving...

collapse, partitioning to stop the bloodshed and then reconstruction.... just like in every other 3rd world nation that collapses.

The other contributors are the MSM.
When will conservatives especially GOP realize the MSM is the 5th estate! That's why forums like this are so important that the 30 second sound byte/headlines
that generally have a left wing bias are to be ignored. Details/facts are the bug spray for these roaches!
We can't abandon the free press but what we as rational thinking people need to do is not succumb to MSM bias and continue to bombard those idiots with facts.
Links to the truth. Only then will the "fence sitters" realize if they want to deal with reality they must NOT succumb to MSM left wing exaggerations and hyperbole.

 

[imawhosure]

Obama has thrown up once again the "MORE GUN LAWS" meme YET... what good would more laws do if the existing laws aren't enforced?

The Obama Administration Justice Department is also not strongly enforcing prosecutions of people who falsify information on their gun background checks.
The FBI reported 71,000 instances of people lying on their background checks to buy guns in 2009.
But the Justice Department prosecuted a mere 77 cases, or a fraction of 1%.

There's no good reason to not enforce this law and prosecute violators. This also has strong support, with 99% of non-NRA member gun owners and 95% of NRA members expressing support for punishing traffickers to the full extent of the law. This is another area where the Obama Administration can "do better."

The irony is that gun rights advocates have argued for years that it's not that more gun laws are needed, but that the existing laws need to be better enforced.
Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) said, "gun-rights activists [have] been saying for years and years [that] the existing laws should be enforced more effectively and proactively." In line with that, the NRA backed the 2007 NICS Improvement Amendments Act that President Bush signed into law.

Gun Control Facts: Existing Gun Laws Would Reduce Crime, But These Are Not Enforced
WHY!!!

The committee, which has held hearings in recent weeks on ways to prevent gun violence, again called into focus statistics that show a dramatic drop in federal weapons prosecutions over the past decade.

The letters cite a Syracuse University study that show firearms prosecutions under President George W. Bush peaked at 11,015 in 2004 while the Obama administration has prosecuted about 7,774 firearms cases in 2012.

Obama, Holder Called Out for Not Enforcing Existing Gun Laws

Remember Obama has NOT pushed for Pipe bomb bans! Why NOT?

San Bernardino Attackers Had Bomb Factory in Garage - NBC News
www.nbcnews.com1346 × 1000Search by image
This a bag that contains what appear to be about a dozen pipe bombs found at the suspects' house. Robert Dembo / NBC News
View attachment 56285

Because Mr OP, the reason is it is not the laws, it is how they can get guns out of Americans hands. There is no legislation to stop gun violence, because the people who are doing it are already breaking laws to start with. The left knows this, the right knows this, and so it is avoidance of speaking about what they actually must do, break the 2nd amendment, and confiscate all fire arms.

Why do you think gun advocates fight tooth and nail against ANYTHING the left attempts to do on this issue?!?!?! Because it is plainly obvious what the only way to stop this is, and that is BAN all guns, from both law abiding citizens, and everyone else. It is not rocket science! That is the only plan that would work, the left is trying to do it, and to do it, they have to break the constitution. There you have it, plain and simple!

not going to happen. america will "break" before we allow the left to hijack the bill of rights.

I am not disagreeing with you Rotagilla, and I hope I haven't given the impression that I am for confiscation or the breaking of the 2nd amendment. All I was trying to point out how phony the lefts arguments really are. When we ask the left to give us 1 2 laws that will stop gun violence, they can't do it, because the laws are already in place to prevent it. Criminals do not follow laws, law abiding citizens do!

And so, the truth is as plain as day......the left just keeps inching us towards an outright ban on firearms, it is the only choice they have, and we have to admit what they are trying to do to know if we will accept it. I do not, but it is up to each individual to make that choice for themselves.

Thanks...I agree with everything you said....but I do believe if they seriously try, america will "break"...and at this point that may not be a bad thing. If we don't get an american patriot in office this next cycle, there won't be much worth saving...

collapse, partitioning to stop the bloodshed and then reconstruction.... just like in every other 3rd world nation that collapses.

Well, so far you need not fear, because the internals show that the left is in deep trouble, and that is with them painting Cruz and Trump as miscreants. It is close to calling it a 50-50 proposition on the senate too, which the left never envisioned for this year.

But I will tell you just in case, check out convention of states. 34 states have given their approval, and it only takes 38. The media won't tell you this, because if it happens, Washington DC will lose 40% of its power. This means that lefties would have to take over state legislatures to flex their agenda. I don't know about your state, but here in Indiana, they are SOL!

As an aside, a convention of states is a BETTER deal for people like you and I. Why? Because a lefty is going to get the Whitehouse back, it is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when! Sooooooooooo, strip Washington of much of its power in advance and return it to the states, then give whichever lefty finally gets the Presidency back the one finger salute. Do that, and in our lifetimes, we will never have to worry about another politician like Obama again! That is why it all works for me.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

I wonder how the proper enforcement of immigration laws will affect terrorist operations?

 

[Rotagilla]

Obama has thrown up once again the "MORE GUN LAWS" meme YET... what good would more laws do if the existing laws aren't enforced?

The Obama Administration Justice Department is also not strongly enforcing prosecutions of people who falsify information on their gun background checks.
The FBI reported 71,000 instances of people lying on their background checks to buy guns in 2009.
But the Justice Department prosecuted a mere 77 cases, or a fraction of 1%.

There's no good reason to not enforce this law and prosecute violators. This also has strong support, with 99% of non-NRA member gun owners and 95% of NRA members expressing support for punishing traffickers to the full extent of the law. This is another area where the Obama Administration can "do better."

The irony is that gun rights advocates have argued for years that it's not that more gun laws are needed, but that the existing laws need to be better enforced.
Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) said, "gun-rights activists [have] been saying for years and years [that] the existing laws should be enforced more effectively and proactively." In line with that, the NRA backed the 2007 NICS Improvement Amendments Act that President Bush signed into law.

Gun Control Facts: Existing Gun Laws Would Reduce Crime, But These Are Not Enforced
WHY!!!

The committee, which has held hearings in recent weeks on ways to prevent gun violence, again called into focus statistics that show a dramatic drop in federal weapons prosecutions over the past decade.

The letters cite a Syracuse University study that show firearms prosecutions under President George W. Bush peaked at 11,015 in 2004 while the Obama administration has prosecuted about 7,774 firearms cases in 2012.

Obama, Holder Called Out for Not Enforcing Existing Gun Laws

Remember Obama has NOT pushed for Pipe bomb bans! Why NOT?

San Bernardino Attackers Had Bomb Factory in Garage - NBC News
www.nbcnews.com1346 × 1000Search by image
This a bag that contains what appear to be about a dozen pipe bombs found at the suspects' house. Robert Dembo / NBC News
View attachment 56285

Because Mr OP, the reason is it is not the laws, it is how they can get guns out of Americans hands. There is no legislation to stop gun violence, because the people who are doing it are already breaking laws to start with. The left knows this, the right knows this, and so it is avoidance of speaking about what they actually must do, break the 2nd amendment, and confiscate all fire arms.

Why do you think gun advocates fight tooth and nail against ANYTHING the left attempts to do on this issue?!?!?! Because it is plainly obvious what the only way to stop this is, and that is BAN all guns, from both law abiding citizens, and everyone else. It is not rocket science! That is the only plan that would work, the left is trying to do it, and to do it, they have to break the constitution. There you have it, plain and simple!

not going to happen. america will "break" before we allow the left to hijack the bill of rights.

I am not disagreeing with you Rotagilla, and I hope I haven't given the impression that I am for confiscation or the breaking of the 2nd amendment. All I was trying to point out how phony the lefts arguments really are. When we ask the left to give us 1 2 laws that will stop gun violence, they can't do it, because the laws are already in place to prevent it. Criminals do not follow laws, law abiding citizens do!

And so, the truth is as plain as day......the left just keeps inching us towards an outright ban on firearms, it is the only choice they have, and we have to admit what they are trying to do to know if we will accept it. I do not, but it is up to each individual to make that choice for themselves.

Thanks...I agree with everything you said....but I do believe if they seriously try, america will "break"...and at this point that may not be a bad thing. If we don't get an american patriot in office this next cycle, there won't be much worth saving...

collapse, partitioning to stop the bloodshed and then reconstruction.... just like in every other 3rd world nation that collapses.

Well, so far you need not fear, because the internals show that the left is in deep trouble, and that is with them painting Cruz and Trump as miscreants. It is close to calling it a 50-50 proposition on the senate too, which the left never envisioned for this year.

But I will tell you just in case, check out convention of states. 34 states have given their approval, and it only takes 38. The media won't tell you this, because if it happens, Washington DC will lose 40% of its power. This means that lefties would have to take over state legislatures to flex their agenda. I don't know about your state, but here in Indiana, they are SOL!

As an aside, a convention of states is a BETTER deal for people like you and I. Why? Because a lefty is going to get the Whitehouse back, it is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when! Sooooooooooo, strip Washington of much of its power in advance and return it to the states, then give whichever lefty finally gets the Presidency back the one finger salute. Do that, and in our lifetimes, we will never have to worry about another politician like Obama again! That is why it all works for me.

interesting..thanks.

 

[Rotagilla]

Obama has thrown up once again the "MORE GUN LAWS" meme YET... what good would more laws do if the existing laws aren't enforced?

The Obama Administration Justice Department is also not strongly enforcing prosecutions of people who falsify information on their gun background checks.
The FBI reported 71,000 instances of people lying on their background checks to buy guns in 2009.
But the Justice Department prosecuted a mere 77 cases, or a fraction of 1%.

There's no good reason to not enforce this law and prosecute violators. This also has strong support, with 99% of non-NRA member gun owners and 95% of NRA members expressing support for punishing traffickers to the full extent of the law. This is another area where the Obama Administration can "do better."

The irony is that gun rights advocates have argued for years that it's not that more gun laws are needed, but that the existing laws need to be better enforced.
Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) said, "gun-rights activists [have] been saying for years and years [that] the existing laws should be enforced more effectively and proactively." In line with that, the NRA backed the 2007 NICS Improvement Amendments Act that President Bush signed into law.

Gun Control Facts: Existing Gun Laws Would Reduce Crime, But These Are Not Enforced
WHY!!!

The committee, which has held hearings in recent weeks on ways to prevent gun violence, again called into focus statistics that show a dramatic drop in federal weapons prosecutions over the past decade.

The letters cite a Syracuse University study that show firearms prosecutions under President George W. Bush peaked at 11,015 in 2004 while the Obama administration has prosecuted about 7,774 firearms cases in 2012.

Obama, Holder Called Out for Not Enforcing Existing Gun Laws

Remember Obama has NOT pushed for Pipe bomb bans! Why NOT?

San Bernardino Attackers Had Bomb Factory in Garage - NBC News
www.nbcnews.com1346 × 1000Search by image
This a bag that contains what appear to be about a dozen pipe bombs found at the suspects' house. Robert Dembo / NBC News
View attachment 56285

Because Mr OP, the reason is it is not the laws, it is how they can get guns out of Americans hands. There is no legislation to stop gun violence, because the people who are doing it are already breaking laws to start with. The left knows this, the right knows this, and so it is avoidance of speaking about what they actually must do, break the 2nd amendment, and confiscate all fire arms.

Why do you think gun advocates fight tooth and nail against ANYTHING the left attempts to do on this issue?!?!?! Because it is plainly obvious what the only way to stop this is, and that is BAN all guns, from both law abiding citizens, and everyone else. It is not rocket science! That is the only plan that would work, the left is trying to do it, and to do it, they have to break the constitution. There you have it, plain and simple!

not going to happen. america will "break" before we allow the left to hijack the bill of rights.

I am not disagreeing with you Rotagilla, and I hope I haven't given the impression that I am for confiscation or the breaking of the 2nd amendment. All I was trying to point out how phony the lefts arguments really are. When we ask the left to give us 1 2 laws that will stop gun violence, they can't do it, because the laws are already in place to prevent it. Criminals do not follow laws, law abiding citizens do!

And so, the truth is as plain as day......the left just keeps inching us towards an outright ban on firearms, it is the only choice they have, and we have to admit what they are trying to do to know if we will accept it. I do not, but it is up to each individual to make that choice for themselves.

Thanks...I agree with everything you said....but I do believe if they seriously try, america will "break"...and at this point that may not be a bad thing. If we don't get an american patriot in office this next cycle, there won't be much worth saving...

collapse, partitioning to stop the bloodshed and then reconstruction.... just like in every other 3rd world nation that collapses.

The other contributors are the MSM.
When will conservatives especially GOP realize the MSM is the 5th estate! That's why forums like this are so important that the 30 second sound byte/headlines
that generally have a left wing bias are to be ignored. Details/facts are the bug spray for these roaches!
We can't abandon the free press but what we as rational thinking people need to do is not succumb to MSM bias and continue to bombard those idiots with facts.
Links to the truth. Only then will the "fence sitters" realize if they want to deal with reality they must NOT succumb to MSM left wing exaggerations and hyperbole.

the media was infiltrated long ago..."operation mockingbird".

 

[imawhosure]

I wonder how the proper enforcement of immigration laws will affect terrorist operations?

I don't want to be a Debbie downer, but logic tells us that IF we really do have terrorist cells in the US; if a "law and order" Republican is elected, the terrorists will have to strike quickly before they are unearthed by the new administration.

Now, maybe the lefties are correct, there aren't any here, we are just using these poor Muslim extremists as a smoke screen to fit our agenda. Never, ever, have I hoped more, that the leftists, for once, are correct!!!!!!!!

 

[healthmyths]

Because Mr OP, the reason is it is not the laws, it is how they can get guns out of Americans hands. There is no legislation to stop gun violence, because the people who are doing it are already breaking laws to start with. The left knows this, the right knows this, and so it is avoidance of speaking about what they actually must do, break the 2nd amendment, and confiscate all fire arms.

Why do you think gun advocates fight tooth and nail against ANYTHING the left attempts to do on this issue?!?!?! Because it is plainly obvious what the only way to stop this is, and that is BAN all guns, from both law abiding citizens, and everyone else. It is not rocket science! That is the only plan that would work, the left is trying to do it, and to do it, they have to break the constitution. There you have it, plain and simple!

not going to happen. america will "break" before we allow the left to hijack the bill of rights.

I am not disagreeing with you Rotagilla, and I hope I haven't given the impression that I am for confiscation or the breaking of the 2nd amendment. All I was trying to point out how phony the lefts arguments really are. When we ask the left to give us 1 2 laws that will stop gun violence, they can't do it, because the laws are already in place to prevent it. Criminals do not follow laws, law abiding citizens do!

And so, the truth is as plain as day......the left just keeps inching us towards an outright ban on firearms, it is the only choice they have, and we have to admit what they are trying to do to know if we will accept it. I do not, but it is up to each individual to make that choice for themselves.

Thanks...I agree with everything you said....but I do believe if they seriously try, america will "break"...and at this point that may not be a bad thing. If we don't get an american patriot in office this next cycle, there won't be much worth saving...

collapse, partitioning to stop the bloodshed and then reconstruction.... just like in every other 3rd world nation that collapses.

The other contributors are the MSM.
When will conservatives especially GOP realize the MSM is the 5th estate! That's why forums like this are so important that the 30 second sound byte/headlines
that generally have a left wing bias are to be ignored. Details/facts are the bug spray for these roaches!
We can't abandon the free press but what we as rational thinking people need to do is not succumb to MSM bias and continue to bombard those idiots with facts.
Links to the truth. Only then will the "fence sitters" realize if they want to deal with reality they must NOT succumb to MSM left wing exaggerations and hyperbole.

the media was infiltrated long ago..."operation mockingbird".

I took journalism courses at a Big 10 university in the 60s. At the same time I knew some SDS members and my journalism class mates had some of the same
idealism as the SDS...i.e. anarchy ..."Get the Man"... etc.
Some of those same journalism class mates had gone on to be editors/producers at news organizations. But they never forgot their idealism.
Consequently these same now editors/producers have kept that mentality via their heavy liberal/progressive/democrat association.
For example:
In 2008 85% of media donated money to Democrats!
1,160 (85%) of the 1,353 of the Senior executives, on-air personalities, producers, reporters, editors, writers and other self-identifying employees of ABC, CBS and NBC contributed more than $1 million to Democrats candidates and campaign committees in 2008, according to an analysis by The Examiner of data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics.
Obama, Democrats got 88 percent of 2008 contributions by TV network execs, writers, reporters

For example: hard nosed, professional journalist Evan Thomas Editor of NewsWeek:
"our job is to bash the president[Bush], that's what we do." Evan Thomas responding to a question on whether the media's unfair to Bush on the TV talk show Inside Washington, February 2, 2007.He-Could-Go-All-The-Way: 'Today' Cheers Obama's Football Play

RIGHT HIS job was to BASH Bush. He is a journalist. Unbiased. Objective. Professional. RIGHT??

But when it came to Obama???
This same hard-nosed "bashing journalist- Editor of NewsWeek gushed about Obama.....
"I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God."
Newsweek’s Evan Thomas: Obama Is ‘Sort of God’
A professional NEWS editor calling a mortal man "sort of God"??? That's not reporting, that's gushing!

Two examples of how the MSM without "Operation Mockingbird" have promoted Democrat/Liberal/progressive agenda!

 

[imawhosure]

not going to happen. america will "break" before we allow the left to hijack the bill of rights.

I am not disagreeing with you Rotagilla, and I hope I haven't given the impression that I am for confiscation or the breaking of the 2nd amendment. All I was trying to point out how phony the lefts arguments really are. When we ask the left to give us 1 2 laws that will stop gun violence, they can't do it, because the laws are already in place to prevent it. Criminals do not follow laws, law abiding citizens do!

And so, the truth is as plain as day......the left just keeps inching us towards an outright ban on firearms, it is the only choice they have, and we have to admit what they are trying to do to know if we will accept it. I do not, but it is up to each individual to make that choice for themselves.

Thanks...I agree with everything you said....but I do believe if they seriously try, america will "break"...and at this point that may not be a bad thing. If we don't get an american patriot in office this next cycle, there won't be much worth saving...

collapse, partitioning to stop the bloodshed and then reconstruction.... just like in every other 3rd world nation that collapses.

The other contributors are the MSM.
When will conservatives especially GOP realize the MSM is the 5th estate! That's why forums like this are so important that the 30 second sound byte/headlines
that generally have a left wing bias are to be ignored. Details/facts are the bug spray for these roaches!
We can't abandon the free press but what we as rational thinking people need to do is not succumb to MSM bias and continue to bombard those idiots with facts.
Links to the truth. Only then will the "fence sitters" realize if they want to deal with reality they must NOT succumb to MSM left wing exaggerations and hyperbole.

the media was infiltrated long ago..."operation mockingbird".

I took journalism courses at a Big 10 university in the 60s. At the same time I knew some SDS members and my journalism class mates had some of the same
idealism as the SDS...i.e. anarchy ..."Get the Man"... etc.
Some of those same journalism class mates had gone on to be editors/producers at news organizations. But they never forgot their idealism.
Consequently these same now editors/producers have kept that mentality via their heavy liberal/progressive/democrat association.
For example:
In 2008 85% of media donated money to Democrats!
1,160 (85%) of the 1,353 of the Senior executives, on-air personalities, producers, reporters, editors, writers and other self-identifying employees of ABC, CBS and NBC contributed more than $1 million to Democrats candidates and campaign committees in 2008, according to an analysis by The Examiner of data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics.
Obama, Democrats got 88 percent of 2008 contributions by TV network execs, writers, reporters

For example: hard nosed, professional journalist Evan Thomas Editor of NewsWeek:
"our job is to bash the president[Bush], that's what we do." Evan Thomas responding to a question on whether the media's unfair to Bush on the TV talk show Inside Washington, February 2, 2007.He-Could-Go-All-The-Way: 'Today' Cheers Obama's Football Play

RIGHT HIS job was to BASH Bush. He is a journalist. Unbiased. Objective. Professional. RIGHT??

But when it came to Obama???
This same hard-nosed "bashing journalist- Editor of NewsWeek gushed about Obama.....
"I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God."
Newsweek’s Evan Thomas: Obama Is ‘Sort of God’
A professional NEWS editor calling a mortal man "sort of God"??? That's not reporting, that's gushing!

Two examples of how the MSM without "Operation Mockingbird" have promoted Democrat/Liberal/progressive agenda!

We, the people who lean right, have nobody to blame but ourselves I am sad to say. We were all out working, probably putting in huge hrs to support our families, and while we were distracted, we kind of lost our country.

Our attempts to reclaim the country have been laughed at, mocked, and we have been arrogantly informed that "we have no chance." That was until this election-) The lefts internals (don't ask me how I know, and no, there is no link, lol) are B-A-D! No, actually, they are T-E-R-R-I-B-L-E. Now we are still almost a year out, and politics change quickly, but right now, the lefties in the know are pooping bricks, BIG ONES!

Many political analysts have discussed this privately, and the reason runs from Trump, to Obama, to congress, and back to Obama and Trump again. The thing BOTH establishment parties know is.............somehow, any way they can, they MUST get rid of the outsiders, or they will lose control of the Washington apparatus. If that happens, their power drops by 25% instantaneously, and that is both parties.

And so, Jeb is more for Hilly, and Hilly is more for Jeb, than either are for Trump, Carson, or Cruz. They will help each other MORE than they will help anyone else, because if YOU CONTROL the apparatus, you control TAX POLICY, meaning you have power over everything, and the lobbyists make you rich to boot.

I am extremely appreciative that healthmyths posted what he did, as far as taking journalism classes, because it puts proof in front of those who otherwise would be unconvinced on how the media works. In other words.......the LIBERAL MEDIA is not myth, it is FACT!

I look forward to reading more of your posts, along with your exposes on the media elite!