Now Insurers Must Cover 100% of Birth Control, Other Female Services

[geauxtohell]

If you are "healthy" enough to have sex, you are responsible for birth control.
If you are "healthy" enough to have sex, you are "healthy" enough to have a job and pay for your own insurance/medical costs.

Yeah, that's really worked like gangbusters in our recent history, hasn't it?

Are you asking if "welfare" has produced massive quantities of unwanted pregnancies? Are you asking if "welfare" has destroyed the traditional family in many cultural communities? Are you asking if "sex education" has reduced the number of STDs?

Paying people to be uneducated, unmarried and unemployed will not help any children. The unborn are murdered for the convenience. And yet, here you are, telling us to continue this pattern, because "it couldn't hurt". You do know that the Lord lays cowards down with the women and children killed in war (that probably includes all those babies that were aborted, crying non-stop), don't you. If you won't stand up for truth, it is going to be a fitful rest for you, until judgement day. All you are doing is encouraging more people to enter the "handout cycle". They will never have any pride or self worth in their own work. They will never know how much their children could accomplish (many will choose the path of their "parent"). They are indoctrinated in envy, deceit, and theft. What a good life you are wishing on millions.

While off topic, I was going to at least read your rant, but then you lost me with the "the Lord lays cowards down" tangent.

If I wanted to be preached at, I'd go to church.

"Judge not. Lest you be judged yourself."

 

[logical4u]

Yeah, that's really worked like gangbusters in our recent history, hasn't it?

Are you asking if "welfare" has produced massive quantities of unwanted pregnancies? Are you asking if "welfare" has destroyed the traditional family in many cultural communities? Are you asking if "sex education" has reduced the number of STDs?

Paying people to be uneducated, unmarried and unemployed will not help any children. The unborn are murdered for the convenience. And yet, here you are, telling us to continue this pattern, because "it couldn't hurt". You do know that the Lord lays cowards down with the women and children killed in war (that probably includes all those babies that were aborted, crying non-stop), don't you. If you won't stand up for truth, it is going to be a fitful rest for you, until judgement day. All you are doing is encouraging more people to enter the "handout cycle". They will never have any pride or self worth in their own work. They will never know how much their children could accomplish (many will choose the path of their "parent"). They are indoctrinated in envy, deceit, and theft. What a good life you are wishing on millions.

While off topic, I was going to at least read your rant, but then you lost me with the "the Lord lays cowards down" tangent.

If I wanted to be preached at, I'd go to church.

"Judge not. Lest you be judged yourself."

Got it. You want to preach to those of us paying taxes (you never did answer if you would be willing to pay double), in the name of the "children" or the "poor". But what ever we do, we should not answer you by preaching back, because you want to pretend that you don't know what you are "actually" doing. You want to concentrate on your "intentions", and not focus on the "suffering" that you are causing others. There I was thinking I found someone interensting, oh well, it was a fun, short, conversation.

 

[geauxtohell]

Are you asking if "welfare" has produced massive quantities of unwanted pregnancies? Are you asking if "welfare" has destroyed the traditional family in many cultural communities? Are you asking if "sex education" has reduced the number of STDs?

Paying people to be uneducated, unmarried and unemployed will not help any children. The unborn are murdered for the convenience. And yet, here you are, telling us to continue this pattern, because "it couldn't hurt". You do know that the Lord lays cowards down with the women and children killed in war (that probably includes all those babies that were aborted, crying non-stop), don't you. If you won't stand up for truth, it is going to be a fitful rest for you, until judgement day. All you are doing is encouraging more people to enter the "handout cycle". They will never have any pride or self worth in their own work. They will never know how much their children could accomplish (many will choose the path of their "parent"). They are indoctrinated in envy, deceit, and theft. What a good life you are wishing on millions.

While off topic, I was going to at least read your rant, but then you lost me with the "the Lord lays cowards down" tangent.

If I wanted to be preached at, I'd go to church.

"Judge not. Lest you be judged yourself."

Got it. You want to preach to those of us paying taxes (you never did answer if you would be willing to pay double), in the name of the "children" or the "poor". But what ever we do, we should not answer you by preaching back, because you want to pretend that you don't know what you are "actually" doing. You want to concentrate on your "intentions", and not focus on the "suffering" that you are causing others. There I was thinking I found someone interensting, oh well, it was a fun, short, conversation.

Uh no. I don't want you going religious whacko on me. We can discuss policy without you having to evoke your thoughts about my eternal fate.

I would have thought that would have been pretty obvious, but maybe it went over your head.

 

[Dr Grump]

I have a huge problem with insurers paying for contraception. I see sex as recreation, not one of life's necessities (well, almost!!). Gaming and playing soccer are also recreation. Can I send the bill of my xbox live account and new soccer ball I just bought to my insurer, too??

 

[jillian]

I have a huge problem with insurers paying for contraception. I see sex as recreation, not one of life's necessities (well, almost!!). Gaming and playing soccer are also recreation. Can I send the bill of my xbox live account and new soccer ball I just bought to my insurer, too??

insurance plans pay for viagra.

sex may be recreation, but if it's unprotected, the societal costs are very high. if it cuts down on abortion and unwanted pregnancies, i see it as a good thing.

 

[Dr Grump]

The unborn are murdered for the convenience.

How can somthing that is unborn be murdered? You can't murder something that isn't alive yet....

 

[Trajan]

because it addresses the symptom not the disease...as a budding MD you should appreciate that

What's the disease?

the disease is people like sex. the right hates that.

Beats abortion

So does personal responsibility, but I realize that's an anathema to people like you.

using contraception IS being responsible.

your lack of expertise ala sex has been established but then, we already knew this....

 

[Dr Grump]

I have a huge problem with insurers paying for contraception. I see sex as recreation, not one of life's necessities (well, almost!!). Gaming and playing soccer are also recreation. Can I send the bill of my xbox live account and new soccer ball I just bought to my insurer, too??

insurance plans pay for viagra.

sex may be recreation, but if it's unprotected, the societal costs are very high. if it cuts down on abortion and unwanted pregnancies, i see it as a good thing.

They shouldn't pay for viagra either...I agree re the costs being high, but I doubt those that are the main cause of the problem are even insured in the first place...It's shit like this that causes premiums to go up. Does the fed sub. any of this?

 

[Trajan]

Preventive medicine saves money in the long run. I am all for covering birth control. I can't understand how conservatives could bitch about this, unwanted pregnancy, "welfare babies", and abortion.

because it addresses the symptom not the disease...as a budding MD you should appreciate that

What's the disease?

lack of self control, will, personal responsibility. and yes society has done their part to contribute to that, mightily, so there is a correlation and a fair amount of causation.

 

[geauxtohell]

because it addresses the symptom not the disease...as a budding MD you should appreciate that

What's the disease?

lack of self control, will, personal responsibility. and yes society has done their part to contribute to that, mightily, so there is a correlation and a fair amount of causation.

I tell you what. You guys get to work on starting a counter sexual revolution where "morals and personal responsibility" will overwhelm biological drive and people will wait until marriage to have sex.

In the meantime, those of us grounded in reality will try and address the problem in a way that actually might have some effect.

 

[Dr Grump]

What's the disease?

lack of self control, will, personal responsibility. and yes society has done their part to contribute to that, mightily, so there is a correlation and a fair amount of causation.

I tell you what. You guys get to work on starting a counter sexual revolution where "morals and personal responsibility" will overwhelm biological drive and people will wait until marriage to have sex.

In the meantime, those of us grounded in reality will try and address the problem in a way that actually might have some effect.

That aside, I would still object if insurers had to pay out for what is basically a recreational activity.

I don't think it much to ask if that if you like shagging, don't want to get knocked up, then you pay for your own contraception (goes for men too)

 

[Full-Auto]

I have a huge problem with insurers paying for contraception. I see sex as recreation, not one of life's necessities (well, almost!!). Gaming and playing soccer are also recreation. Can I send the bill of my xbox live account and new soccer ball I just bought to my insurer, too??

insurance plans pay for viagra.

sex may be recreation, but if it's unprotected, the societal costs are very high. if it cuts down on abortion and unwanted pregnancies, i see it as a good thing.

which ones? Be specific please!!!

 

[chanel]

A manual breast pump costs around $35. A good electric one is a couple hundred bucks. If they are "free" who will NOT get the best one they can - whether or not they are breastfeeding.

I purchased a decent one with my last baby. I used it about 10 times and then gave it away. Our landfills will be filling up with unused or underused machines. People should just rent them. Where are the environmentalists?

 

[strollingbones]

insurance companies pay for viagra ....for men.....why not birth control for women?

 

[chanel]

Is it "free" bones?

 

[WillowTree]

insurance companies pay for viagra ....for men.....why not birth control for women?

so we cover his dick and your vajay jay,, I thought you people wanted government to stay outta your bedroom? wtf?

 

[jillian]

What's the disease?

the disease is people like sex. the right hates that.

So does personal responsibility, but I realize that's an anathema to people like you.

using contraception IS being responsible.

your lack of expertise ala sex has been established but then, we already knew this....

really?

funny, unlike the abstinence-only, anti-choice rightwingnuts, i understand that people DO have sex.

you sound like an idiot when you post things like that.

is it intentional?

 

[rightwinger]

the disease is people like sex. the right hates that.

using contraception IS being responsible.

your lack of expertise ala sex has been established but then, we already knew this....

really?

funny, unlike the abstinence-only, anti-choice rightwingnuts, i understand that people DO have sex.

you sound like an idiot when you post things like that.

is it intentional?

To many Americans, sex is still dirty and the Gubmint shouldn't do anything to encourage it

 

[masquerade]

Beats abortions

Cons hate birth control and abortions. Everyone should be celibate. It's worked so well throughout history.

Give up your broad brush Political Junky.

 

[masquerade]

The right wing opposes sex education, birth control and abortion

Then they bitch about paying for unwanted babies

I have an issue with sex education being taught to elementary school kids. Such a class should be taught to during the middle school years. Birth control I'm all for and I really don't have a problem with it being covered by insurance. Hell, I wish it was so many years ago when I was on the pill. Abortions ... well that's another story. Personally I could never have one and I wish other women wouldn't but .... that is their choice. I'd prefer potential abortions to go full-term, deliver and put the baby up for adoption.