Now considers Sharia law

[Quantum Windbag]

The OP claimed NOW did not denounce Sharia law, NOW has:

Amidst deadly bombings, rocket attacks and threats of violence against voters, Afghanistan's national elections took place on Aug. 20. While hazardous conditions likely suppressed at least part of the women's vote, the good news is that two women ran for president, five sought the vice presidency, and some 300 women ran for election to provincial councils. Results of the election are expected to be announced this week. Women's presence is a hopeful sign that a stronger democracy can emerge from this war-torn country; but at the same time, there is plenty of evidence that women in general are not gaining ground.

Earlier this year, President Hamid Karzai signed a law that would effectively decriminalize marital rape among the country's Shia Muslim population. According to The Washington Post, the law "requires women to seek their husband's permission to leave home, except for 'culturally legitimate' purposes such as work or weddings, and to submit to their sexual demands unless ill or menstruating." President Barack Obama called the law "abhorrent."

The enactment of the Shia Personal Status Law highlights a prevalent problem in Afghanistan: the second-class status and discriminatory treatment of women by the government and society, long after the radical Taliban fell from political power in Kabul, the nation's capital. The recent resurgence of the Taliban and other extremist groups in outlying areas has escalated acts of intimidation and violence against women and girls.

The OP made no such claim, it pointed out the fact that a resolution was tabled at the general convention. I know, I wrote it. I then went on to point out that by not passing the resolution they last a chance to stand together with women who are risking their lives by defying that law. You later responded with evidence that NOW supports a useless law law that won't change anything anywhere.

You might consider that condemning Sharia law, I don't.

I would like stronger condemnation, but as NOW points out, the focus should be on the abused women, not the religion of the abusers. I want my elected reps to not only condem, but take real action; something Saudi seems to stand in the way.

Your elected representatives have no power over the law in other countries. Until you understand that little factoid you really don't belong in a discussion about the issues here. NOW needs to take a stand on the issues and stop pretending that federal laws will make a difference in foreign countries that don't care what we think.

 

[guno]

If NOW goes after Christian oppresion of women at some point I'll care more about the fact that they exist. If they're just going after Islam though I can't say I care.

FLDS endorsed forced marriages to underage girls. Southern Baptist Convention adopted Ephesians 5's line about "...women be subject to your husbands..."

1 Corinthians 11 "Christ is the head of every man, and a husband the head of his wife, and the head of Christ is God.”

1 Corinthians 11:7-9:"For a man is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head."

1 Corinthians 14:34-35: "...women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says, If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."

Ephesians 5:22-24: "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife...wives should submit to their husbands in everything."

Wow, even more demented than Duddley.

Keep posting like this and everyone will be laughing at you.

In other words you are running away from your christer buy bull

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You really need to read the full article to get a feeling for the absurdity that is NOW, but they may be making some progress. Not really there yet, and I would love to have details of the vote count, but at least they admit there are some real issues in the world.

And now for some possibly good news.

Believe it or not: Someone—bless whoever it was—actually tried to pass a Resolution against “Culturally Oppressive Laws Against Women and Girls.” All the resolution called for was a public education campaign. However, it specifically singled out Sharia law and listed the human and women’s rights violations performed in its name: forced veiling, forced child marriage, normalized beating, honor killing, purdah, stoning to death, hanging, and flogging for non-compliant women.

Please listen to the language of NOW’s resolution: “Whereas, one of NOW’s official priorities is to eliminate violence against women…we urge NOW members to educate law enforcement, educators, medical professionals, and community leaders to the danger of Sharia law.”

This resolution was defeated; actually, like the surrogacy resolution, it was tabled for further discussion.

Had anyone at NOW asked me, I would have broadened this idealistic Resolution to include any and all cultural, religious, tribal, and ethnic practices that violate American law. I would not have focused only on Sharia law. The French law which banned the burqa was ethnically and religiously “neutral.” Face masks are banned. One’s identity must be visible. This is true for anyone and everyone, not just for those of one religion.

For the First Time, the National Organization for Women Considers Sharia Law

The sad part is that they lost an opportunity to support women that are actually risking their lives just to express a little bit of freedom, not wearing a veil.

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Let me explain something to you peanut head , religious groups have relgious courts in this county to address religious tradition issues within their community, they do not take prescient over civil an criminal laws of the land .

A network of Orthodox Jewish religious courts (Halakha) exist across the United States and in other countries. Their activities are permitted In democracies, religious courts are consensual, functioning for the benefit of the communities they serve, mostly in matters of family status, marriage, divorce etc. They may not, of course, submit judgments that violate state or federal law.

Let me explain something to you, asshole. arbitration courts like you describe are still subject to the laws of this country and the states in which they are set up. They have to follow the law just like Judge Judy and all the other arbitration courts you see on TV.

In other words, you are full of shit.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

If NOW goes after Christian oppresion of women at some point I'll care more about the fact that they exist. If they're just going after Islam though I can't say I care.

FLDS endorsed forced marriages to underage girls. Southern Baptist Convention adopted Ephesians 5's line about "...women be subject to your husbands..."

1 Corinthians 11 "Christ is the head of every man, and a husband the head of his wife, and the head of Christ is God.”

1 Corinthians 11:7-9:"For a man is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head."

1 Corinthians 14:34-35: "...women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says, If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."

Ephesians 5:22-24: "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife...wives should submit to their husbands in everything."

Wow, even more demented than Duddley.

Keep posting like this and everyone will be laughing at you.

In other words you are running away from your christer buy bull

Feel free to point out any post I ever made on this forum using the Bible to justify my opinions on any issues involving the law.

Wait, you can't, because I base my legal positions on the actual law.

 

[guno]

We've got to keep up the fight against laws being passed based on religious beliefs. Birth control, abortion, marriage equality and more. This us the US. No one should be forced to abide by the beliefs of the religions of others. As long as it's consenting adults whose actions harm no one, myob and keep your sharia laws to yourself. I'm sure all real Americans agree.


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Nobody should have to cowtow to anyone else's ideological beliefs as well.

We shouldn't be forced to say that homosexuality is bad or good either. It should be against the law to to make laws that state one lifestyle is better than another.

This same-sex marriage movement is just a form of religion being forced on those who don't want to comply.

You have the right to do it, but you don't have the right to make everyone like it.

Same goes with Climate Change ideology.

You want to believe the Earth is warming, feel free. Try to force everyone to believe your nonsense and tax everyone because of it, wrong answer.

Is someone forcing you to have a gay marriage?

 

[guno]

You might be a Fundy if…



You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

You feel insulted and “dehumanized” when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
Your face turns purple when you hear of the “atrocities” attributed to Allah, but you don’t even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in “Exodus” and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in “Joshua” including women, children, animals and trees!


You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of the Earth (a few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is just a few generations old.

You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs — though excluding those in all rival sects – will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most “tolerant” and “loving.”


While modern science, history, geology, biology, physics and textual scholarship fail to convince you that the Bible may be less than reliable, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in “tongues” is all the evidence you need to “prove” Christianity.

You define 0.01% as a “high success rate” when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply God saying “No.”

You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history – but still call yourself a Christian.