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Not everyone wants all electric automobiles
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progressive hunter
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your attention span is obviously limited to what makes you feel good,,, to bad it makes you ignorant,,Electric cars use electricity which is cleaner than burning fossil fuel to make it work.I never said it did,,That doesnt change the fact that electric cars are electric powered devices.electric devices are not the topic,,Theres no spin. Electric cars are definitely electric powered devices.you could spin it that way,, but it would be a dishonest spin away from the topic at hand,,,You do realize an electric car is a electric powered device right?correct,, and then you started talking about electricity and other devices,,,What were you saying hasnt existed before? We were talking about electric powered cars.Post #6 you idiot.where did I say that???Youre the one claiming electric powered devices have not existed before. Are you stupid or just being paid to pretend you are?you cant be that stupid can you???Electricity has been around a long time.how can you know the long term effects on something that hasnt ever existed before??Maybe in Qannon circles but the rest of the world already knows this.that has yet to be proven,,Its a cleaner energy for starters.
Not everyone wants all electric automobiles
Not everyone in the world wants or can accept all electric automobiles. Why are certain factions in the US trying to force this all electric cars on the entire world?. It is not right or logical.www.usmessageboard.com
you should go back and read it,, cause thats not what I said,,
no other device I know of has a 1000lb battery that cant be recycled efficiently,,
the topic is electric cars not your mothers blender,,,
progressive hunter
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that has yet to be proven,,"You do realize that the only way to generate enough electric power is through coal and oil...right?"You do realize an electric car is a electric powered device right?correct,, and then you started talking about electricity and other devices,,,What were you saying hasnt existed before? We were talking about electric powered cars.Post #6 you idiot.where did I say that???Youre the one claiming electric powered devices have not existed before. Are you stupid or just being paid to pretend you are?you cant be that stupid can you???Electricity has been around a long time.how can you know the long term effects on something that hasnt ever existed before??Maybe in Qannon circles but the rest of the world already knows this.that has yet to be proven,,Its a cleaner energy for starters.
Not everyone wants all electric automobiles
Not everyone in the world wants or can accept all electric automobiles. Why are certain factions in the US trying to force this all electric cars on the entire world?. It is not right or logical.
you should go back and read it,, cause thats not what I said,,
You do realize that the only way to generate enough electric power is through coal and oil...right? And the mining needed to make those batteries is as dirty or dirtier than using coal, oil and natural gas....and the batteries are environmental disasters when they are old and no longer working.......
You guys are so dumb........you don't think anything through...
False
Asclepias
Diamond Member
My attention span is not the topic. If you have valid argument please present it.your attention span is obviously limited to what makes you feel good,,, to bad it makes you ignorant,,Electric cars use electricity which is cleaner than burning fossil fuel to make it work.I never said it did,,That doesnt change the fact that electric cars are electric powered devices.electric devices are not the topic,,Theres no spin. Electric cars are definitely electric powered devices.you could spin it that way,, but it would be a dishonest spin away from the topic at hand,,,You do realize an electric car is a electric powered device right?correct,, and then you started talking about electricity and other devices,,,What were you saying hasnt existed before? We were talking about electric powered cars.Post #6 you idiot.where did I say that???Youre the one claiming electric powered devices have not existed before. Are you stupid or just being paid to pretend you are?you cant be that stupid can you???Electricity has been around a long time.how can you know the long term effects on something that hasnt ever existed before??Maybe in Qannon circles but the rest of the world already knows this.that has yet to be proven,,Its a cleaner energy for starters.
Not everyone wants all electric automobiles
Not everyone in the world wants or can accept all electric automobiles. Why are certain factions in the US trying to force this all electric cars on the entire world?. It is not right or logical.
you should go back and read it,, cause thats not what I said,,
no other device I know of has a 1000lb battery that cant be recycled efficiently,,
the topic is electric cars not your mothers blender,,,
Jimmy_Chitwood
Platinum Member
Who told you that? Currently most electricity is generated by fossil fuels....with the exception of sun and wind generated electricity. I have some security cameras and lights that run off solar.Significantly less than burning fossil fuels.Electricity has been around a long time. The computer you are on right now uses it. How much pollution does your computer produce?how can you know the long term effects on something that hasnt ever existed before??Maybe in Qannon circles but the rest of the world already knows this.that has yet to be proven,,Its a cleaner energy for starters.
So no pollution in the use of electricity?
So no fossil fuels are involved in the use of electricity?
I was asking?
So in a given place 100 % fossil fuels are used to generate that electricity.
And then you have the generation and transmission losses not present with an ICE.
Mining for coal fracking for gas are good?
Asclepias
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Only if youre a Qannon believer. Other people already know the facts about solar powered cars.that has yet to be proven,,"You do realize that the only way to generate enough electric power is through coal and oil...right?"You do realize an electric car is a electric powered device right?correct,, and then you started talking about electricity and other devices,,,What were you saying hasnt existed before? We were talking about electric powered cars.Post #6 you idiot.where did I say that???Youre the one claiming electric powered devices have not existed before. Are you stupid or just being paid to pretend you are?you cant be that stupid can you???Electricity has been around a long time.how can you know the long term effects on something that hasnt ever existed before??Maybe in Qannon circles but the rest of the world already knows this.that has yet to be proven,,Its a cleaner energy for starters.
Not everyone wants all electric automobiles
Not everyone in the world wants or can accept all electric automobiles. Why are certain factions in the US trying to force this all electric cars on the entire world?. It is not right or logical.
you should go back and read it,, cause thats not what I said,,
You do realize that the only way to generate enough electric power is through coal and oil...right? And the mining needed to make those batteries is as dirty or dirtier than using coal, oil and natural gas....and the batteries are environmental disasters when they are old and no longer working.......
You guys are so dumb........you don't think anything through...
False
Complete guide to solar vehicles: how do solar-powered cars work?
Here's all you need to know about solar-powered cars and how they work.
interestingengineering.com
progressive hunter
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I did,, and thats when your attention span fucked up the discussion,,,My attention span is not the topic. If you have valid argument please present it.your attention span is obviously limited to what makes you feel good,,, to bad it makes you ignorant,,Electric cars use electricity which is cleaner than burning fossil fuel to make it work.I never said it did,,That doesnt change the fact that electric cars are electric powered devices.electric devices are not the topic,,Theres no spin. Electric cars are definitely electric powered devices.you could spin it that way,, but it would be a dishonest spin away from the topic at hand,,,You do realize an electric car is a electric powered device right?correct,, and then you started talking about electricity and other devices,,,What were you saying hasnt existed before? We were talking about electric powered cars.Post #6 you idiot.where did I say that???Youre the one claiming electric powered devices have not existed before. Are you stupid or just being paid to pretend you are?you cant be that stupid can you???Electricity has been around a long time.how can you know the long term effects on something that hasnt ever existed before??Maybe in Qannon circles but the rest of the world already knows this.that has yet to be proven,,Its a cleaner energy for starters.
Not everyone wants all electric automobiles
Not everyone in the world wants or can accept all electric automobiles. Why are certain factions in the US trying to force this all electric cars on the entire world?. It is not right or logical.
you should go back and read it,, cause thats not what I said,,
no other device I know of has a 1000lb battery that cant be recycled efficiently,,
the topic is electric cars not your mothers blender,,,
progressive hunter
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come on asslips you can do better than that,,Only if youre a Qannon believer. Other people already know the facts about solar powered cars.that has yet to be proven,,"You do realize that the only way to generate enough electric power is through coal and oil...right?"You do realize an electric car is a electric powered device right?correct,, and then you started talking about electricity and other devices,,,What were you saying hasnt existed before? We were talking about electric powered cars.Post #6 you idiot.where did I say that???Youre the one claiming electric powered devices have not existed before. Are you stupid or just being paid to pretend you are?you cant be that stupid can you???Electricity has been around a long time.how can you know the long term effects on something that hasnt ever existed before??Maybe in Qannon circles but the rest of the world already knows this.that has yet to be proven,,Its a cleaner energy for starters.
Not everyone wants all electric automobiles
Not everyone in the world wants or can accept all electric automobiles. Why are certain factions in the US trying to force this all electric cars on the entire world?. It is not right or logical.
you should go back and read it,, cause thats not what I said,,
You do realize that the only way to generate enough electric power is through coal and oil...right? And the mining needed to make those batteries is as dirty or dirtier than using coal, oil and natural gas....and the batteries are environmental disasters when they are old and no longer working.......
You guys are so dumb........you don't think anything through...
False
Complete guide to solar vehicles: how do solar-powered cars work?
Here's all you need to know about solar-powered cars and how they work.
2aguy
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That doesnt change the fact that electric cars are electric powered devices.electric devices are not the topic,,Theres no spin. Electric cars are definitely electric powered devices.you could spin it that way,, but it would be a dishonest spin away from the topic at hand,,,You do realize an electric car is a electric powered device right?correct,, and then you started talking about electricity and other devices,,,What were you saying hasnt existed before? We were talking about electric powered cars.Post #6 you idiot.where did I say that???Youre the one claiming electric powered devices have not existed before. Are you stupid or just being paid to pretend you are?you cant be that stupid can you???Electricity has been around a long time.how can you know the long term effects on something that hasnt ever existed before??Maybe in Qannon circles but the rest of the world already knows this.that has yet to be proven,,Its a cleaner energy for starters.
Not everyone wants all electric automobiles
Not everyone in the world wants or can accept all electric automobiles. Why are certain factions in the US trying to force this all electric cars on the entire world?. It is not right or logical.
you should go back and read it,, cause thats not what I said,,
no other device I know of has a 1000lb battery that cant be recycled efficiently,,
Twit...
Mining and processing the minerals, plus the battery manufacturing process, involve substantial emissions of carbon.
Lithium mining, needed to build the lithium ion batteries at the heart of today's EVs, has also been connected to other kinds of environmental harm. There have been mass fish kills related to lithium mining in Tibet, for example. The freshwater supply is being consumed by mines in South America's lithium-rich region. Even in North America, where mining regulations are strict, harsh chemicals are used to extract the valuable metal.
And all the operations are energy intensive, sometimes running on diesel generators and relying on carbon-emitting heavy machinery.
Adding to the cumulative effects on the environment, lithium demand is expected to at least triple by 2025, pushing more exploration and extraction globally.
A comparative study between EVs and internal combustion engine vehicle (ICEV) in China corroborates the ICTT report, indicating that infrastructure and efficient manufacturing techniques are the keys to reducing emissions during production. Chinese EV battery manufacturers produce up to 60% more CO2 during fabrication than ICEV engine production, but could cut their emissions by up to 66% if they adopted American or European manufacturing techniques.
As such, the pollution created through the extraction process and production of batteries remains on par or slightly higher than the manufacturing process of petrol or diesel-based engines.
Are Electric Vehicles Really Better For The Environment?
Since the first modern electric vehicles took to the roads, critics have been quick to question the ‘clean’ label. With the amount of debate & misinformation troubling the waters, the facts behind the efficiency of electric vehicles have become clouded - so just how clean are these vehicles?
www.forbes.com
Wyatt earp
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Its a cleaner energy for starters.
Eric Arthur Blair
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They very definitely aren't superior in every way. That should seem obvious to everyone.When electric vehicles are superior to gas burners in every way I don't see where there will be a problem. That point is coming quickly.
Asclepias
Diamond Member
That doesnt change the fact that electric cars are electric powered devices.electric devices are not the topic,,Theres no spin. Electric cars are definitely electric powered devices.you could spin it that way,, but it would be a dishonest spin away from the topic at hand,,,You do realize an electric car is a electric powered device right?correct,, and then you started talking about electricity and other devices,,,What were you saying hasnt existed before? We were talking about electric powered cars.Post #6 you idiot.where did I say that???Youre the one claiming electric powered devices have not existed before. Are you stupid or just being paid to pretend you are?you cant be that stupid can you???Electricity has been around a long time.how can you know the long term effects on something that hasnt ever existed before??Maybe in Qannon circles but the rest of the world already knows this.that has yet to be proven,,Its a cleaner energy for starters.
Not everyone wants all electric automobiles
Not everyone in the world wants or can accept all electric automobiles. Why are certain factions in the US trying to force this all electric cars on the entire world?. It is not right or logical.
you should go back and read it,, cause thats not what I said,,
no other device I know of has a 1000lb battery that cant be recycled efficiently,,
Twit...
Mining and processing the minerals, plus the battery manufacturing process, involve substantial emissions of carbon.
Lithium mining, needed to build the lithium ion batteries at the heart of today's EVs, has also been connected to other kinds of environmental harm. There have been mass fish kills related to lithium mining in Tibet, for example. The freshwater supply is being consumed by mines in South America's lithium-rich region. Even in North America, where mining regulations are strict, harsh chemicals are used to extract the valuable metal.
And all the operations are energy intensive, sometimes running on diesel generators and relying on carbon-emitting heavy machinery.
Adding to the cumulative effects on the environment, lithium demand is expected to at least triple by 2025, pushing more exploration and extraction globally.
A comparative study between EVs and internal combustion engine vehicle (ICEV) in China corroborates the ICTT report, indicating that infrastructure and efficient manufacturing techniques are the keys to reducing emissions during production. Chinese EV battery manufacturers produce up to 60% more CO2 during fabrication than ICEV engine production, but could cut their emissions by up to 66% if they adopted American or European manufacturing techniques.
As such, the pollution created through the extraction process and production of batteries remains on par or slightly higher than the manufacturing process of petrol or diesel-based engines.
Are Electric Vehicles Really Better For The Environment?
Since the first modern electric vehicles took to the roads, critics have been quick to question the ‘clean’ label. With the amount of debate & misinformation troubling the waters, the facts behind the efficiency of electric vehicles have become clouded - so just how clean are these vehicles?
Asclepias
Diamond Member
They very definitely aren't superior in every way. That should seem obvious to everyone.When electric vehicles are superior to gas burners in every way I don't see where there will be a problem. That point is coming quickly.
Its coming no matter how much you fight against progress. If you dont adapt you will become extinct like conservatives typically do.
Asclepias
Diamond Member
Concerned American
Diamond Member
At some point, the change is going to come, but this shock change will not go. As you point out, there is not enough clean generating capacity, but over time, I believe solar grids will be incorporated into the roads of, first, the American southwest and followed throughout the country--This will take YEARS. During that time internal combustion will be phased out and electric will replace. The battery issue is real. The lead can be recycled, but I don't think the public will want to spend extreme amounts to replace batteries every 10 years or so. This "high velocity culture change" that the democrats are pushing will have to have some muscle behind it--the next two years should be interesting to say the least. I don't think it will be without tremendous push-back.You do realize an electric car is a electric powered device right?correct,, and then you started talking about electricity and other devices,,,What were you saying hasnt existed before? We were talking about electric powered cars.Post #6 you idiot.where did I say that???Youre the one claiming electric powered devices have not existed before. Are you stupid or just being paid to pretend you are?you cant be that stupid can you???Electricity has been around a long time.how can you know the long term effects on something that hasnt ever existed before??Maybe in Qannon circles but the rest of the world already knows this.that has yet to be proven,,Its a cleaner energy for starters.
Not everyone wants all electric automobiles
Not everyone in the world wants or can accept all electric automobiles. Why are certain factions in the US trying to force this all electric cars on the entire world?. It is not right or logical.
you should go back and read it,, cause thats not what I said,,
You do realize that the only way to generate enough electric power is through coal and oil...right? And the mining needed to make those batteries is as dirty or dirtier than using coal, oil and natural gas....and the batteries are environmental disasters when they are old and no longer working.......
You guys are so dumb........you don't think anything through...
Asclepias
Diamond Member
I think the pushback will only come from the wealthy oil barons and undereducated people in the fossil fuel industry that lack the ability to adapt and transition. The woolly mammoths died out from their inability to adapt. These people should take that as a lesson and get retrained.At some point, the change is going to come, but this shock change will not go. As you point out, there is not enough clean generating capacity, but over time, I believe solar grids will be incorporated into the roads of, first, the American southwest and followed throughout the country--This will take YEARS. During that time internal combustion will be phased out and electric will replace. The battery issue is real. The lead can be recycled, but I don't think the public will want to spend extreme amounts to replace batteries every 10 years or so. This "high velocity culture change" that the democrats are pushing will have to have some muscle behind it--the next two years should be interesting to say the least. I don't think it will be without tremendous push-back.You do realize an electric car is a electric powered device right?correct,, and then you started talking about electricity and other devices,,,What were you saying hasnt existed before? We were talking about electric powered cars.Post #6 you idiot.where did I say that???Youre the one claiming electric powered devices have not existed before. Are you stupid or just being paid to pretend you are?you cant be that stupid can you???Electricity has been around a long time.how can you know the long term effects on something that hasnt ever existed before??Maybe in Qannon circles but the rest of the world already knows this.that has yet to be proven,,Its a cleaner energy for starters.
Not everyone wants all electric automobiles
Not everyone in the world wants or can accept all electric automobiles. Why are certain factions in the US trying to force this all electric cars on the entire world?. It is not right or logical.
you should go back and read it,, cause thats not what I said,,
You do realize that the only way to generate enough electric power is through coal and oil...right? And the mining needed to make those batteries is as dirty or dirtier than using coal, oil and natural gas....and the batteries are environmental disasters when they are old and no longer working.......
You guys are so dumb........you don't think anything through...
Wyatt earp
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- Apr 21, 2012
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They very definitely aren't superior in every way. That should seem obvious to everyone.When electric vehicles are superior to gas burners in every way I don't see where there will be a problem. That point is coming quickly.
Its coming no matter how much you fight against progress. If you dont adapt you will become extinct like conservatives typically do.
Tax Man
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To put right and logical together in any way is just plain stupid. The right is always wrong."right" and "logical" are not in any liberal lexicon.
Wyatt earp
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Lol electric cars where as popular as ice cars in the 1880sI think the pushback will only come from the wealthy oil barons and undereducated people in the fossil fuel industry that lack the ability to adapt and transition. The woolly mammoths died out from their inability to adapt. These people should take that as a lesson and get retrained.At some point, the change is going to come, but this shock change will not go. As you point out, there is not enough clean generating capacity, but over time, I believe solar grids will be incorporated into the roads of, first, the American southwest and followed throughout the country--This will take YEARS. During that time internal combustion will be phased out and electric will replace. The battery issue is real. The lead can be recycled, but I don't think the public will want to spend extreme amounts to replace batteries every 10 years or so. This "high velocity culture change" that the democrats are pushing will have to have some muscle behind it--the next two years should be interesting to say the least. I don't think it will be without tremendous push-back.You do realize an electric car is a electric powered device right?correct,, and then you started talking about electricity and other devices,,,What were you saying hasnt existed before? We were talking about electric powered cars.Post #6 you idiot.where did I say that???Youre the one claiming electric powered devices have not existed before. Are you stupid or just being paid to pretend you are?you cant be that stupid can you???Electricity has been around a long time.how can you know the long term effects on something that hasnt ever existed before??Maybe in Qannon circles but the rest of the world already knows this.that has yet to be proven,,Its a cleaner energy for starters.
Not everyone wants all electric automobiles
Not everyone in the world wants or can accept all electric automobiles. Why are certain factions in the US trying to force this all electric cars on the entire world?. It is not right or logical.
you should go back and read it,, cause thats not what I said,,
You do realize that the only way to generate enough electric power is through coal and oil...right? And the mining needed to make those batteries is as dirty or dirtier than using coal, oil and natural gas....and the batteries are environmental disasters when they are old and no longer working.......
You guys are so dumb........you don't think anything through...
Wyatt earp
Diamond Member
- Apr 21, 2012
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We warned you all about the Harry Reid nuclear option, so who was wrong then?To put right and logical together in any way is just plain stupid. The right is always wrong."right" and "logical" are not in any liberal lexicon.
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