North Korea War Fever

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Retired Analyst: US deploys sea Radar
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The official would not offer more details but confirmed the SBX, a floating X-band radar that resembles a giant golf ball, had reached a location at sea where it could track missiles fired by the Pyongyang regime.

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Two US Arleigh-class destroyers have been sent to the western Pacific with anti-missile weaponry while ground-based THAAD interceptor batteries had been deployed to Guam, a US territory about 3,380 kilometers (2,100 miles) southeast of North Korea
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[Flopper]

An interesting undercover film of North Korea made by the BBC

BBC News - BBC Panorama team report undercover from North Korea

 

[WethePeopleUS]

Yep. NK has been doing this for 60 years. Rattle the sabers to remind the rest of the world that they exist, make threats and get some concession, and declare a great victory. Tomorrow they celebrate the ruling Kim dynasty. They will surely once again declare a great victory. It will be interesting to see if they tone down the rhetoric.

Or there is no telling whether they will test-fire a missile, or another nuke. There is just no way to tell what is going on with NK anymore. They recently had the world convinced they were going to attack us and our allies. Yet that was obviously a ploy. I say, pull out of the Korean peninsula, and let the North and South duke it out. Whoever it is that wins, can unify Korea under their regime. The situation in Korea involves too much of our time and money, and we can be doing better things with both of them.

I don't think pulling out is the answer. If we did the North would overrun the South. Yes, then there would be a united Korea, a communist state that would grow stronger and be bigger threat to the US and and our allies.

I don't believe that for a second. The South has a far superior army than the North. The South would take over the North in less than 2 weeks.

 

[Flopper]

Or there is no telling whether they will test-fire a missile, or another nuke. There is just no way to tell what is going on with NK anymore. They recently had the world convinced they were going to attack us and our allies. Yet that was obviously a ploy. I say, pull out of the Korean peninsula, and let the North and South duke it out. Whoever it is that wins, can unify Korea under their regime. The situation in Korea involves too much of our time and money, and we can be doing better things with both of them.

I don't think pulling out is the answer. If we did the North would overrun the South. Yes, then there would be a united Korea, a communist state that would grow stronger and be bigger threat to the US and and our allies.

I don't believe that for a second. The South has a far superior army than the North. The South would take over the North in less than 2 weeks.

What makes you think the North would not resort to nuclear weapons if they thought they would lose.

 

[WethePeopleUS]

I don't think pulling out is the answer. If we did the North would overrun the South. Yes, then there would be a united Korea, a communist state that would grow stronger and be bigger threat to the US and and our allies.

I don't believe that for a second. The South has a far superior army than the North. The South would take over the North in less than 2 weeks.

What makes you think the North would not resort to nuclear weapons if they thought they would lose.

The fact that they only have one nuclear bomb, and if they did decide to send it the South's way, then they would be wiped off the face of the earth. I do not think that NK can take out the entire South with one nuke.

 

[Dajjal]

I have just joined the North Korean forum,

North Korea News & Community Forums

They say that if one shell lands on NK territory they will wage a war of reunification with the south.
They say Americans are brainwashed capitalists.

I expect the forum is heavily censored as there are no critical comments. You have to join the forum to be able to read it.

 

[Circe]

The fact that they only have one nuclear bomb, and if they did decide to send it the South's way, then they would be wiped off the face of the earth. I do not think that NK can take out the entire South with one nuke.

We can't know they only have one bomb!

We have intelligence sources in the Pentagon right now saying that they have a bunch of nukes, and at least some miniturized on top of ballistic missiles!

So I don't think we know what they can do.

If they attack, best to annihilate them directly, of course. Otherwise who knows how much damage they will do. Get our damage in first as soon as they attack, so they can't do more.

I assume that is our battle plan; I hope so.

 

[georgephillip]

"8. In August 1948 the U.S.-occupied zone of Korea became the Republic of Korea. The next month, the KPR operating in the north became the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (North Korea). Around this time there were many revolts against the U.S.-backed authorities in the south led by supporters of the original KPR. Where was the biggest one?

a. on Cheju Island, off the south coast of South Korea, where there was minimal Soviet or North Korean influence
b. along the North Korean border, organized by communist operatives

c. in Seoul, led by communist agitators"

A Pop Quiz on Korea » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Our battle plan has always been to keep north and south Korea divided in spite of the wishes of a majority of Koreans.

 

[Dajjal]

Just copied this treaty with China, from the North Korean forum. The North Koreans think that ideas in the western press that China would not back them in the event of war is western propaganda.

Treaty of Friendship, Co-operation and Mutual Assistance
Between the People's Republic of China
and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.


July 11, 1961

THE Chairman of the People's Republic of China and the Presidium of the Supreme People's Assembly of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, determined, in accordance with Marxism-Leninism and the principle of proletarian internationalism and on the basis of mutual respect for state sovereignty and territorial integrity, mutual non-aggression, non-interference in each other's internal affairs, equality and mutual benefit, and mutual assistance and support, to make every effort to further strengthen and develop the fraternal relations of friendship, co-operation and mutual assistance between the People's Republic of China and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, to jointly guard the security of the two peoples, and to safeguard and consolidate the peace of Asia and the world, and deeply convinced that the development and strengthening of the relations of friendship, co-operation and mutual assistance between the two countries accord not only with the fundamental interests of the two peoples but also with the interests of the peoples all over the world, have decided for this purpose to conclude the present Treaty and appointed as their respective plenipotentiaries:

The Chairman of the People's Republic of China: Chou En-lai, Premier of the State Council of the People's Republic of China.

The Presidium of the Supreme People's Assembly of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea: Kim Il Sung, Premier of the Cabinet of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea,

Who, having examined each other's full powers and found them in good and due form, have agreed upon the the following:

Article I

The Contracting Parties will continue to make every effort to safeguard the peace of Asia and the world and the security of all peoples.

Article II

The Contracting Parties undertake jointly to adopt all measures to prevent aggression against either of the Contracting Parties by any state. In the event of one of the Contracting Parties being subjected to the armed attack by any state or several states jointly and thus being involved in a state of war, the other Contracting Party shall immediately render military and other assistance by all means at its disposal.

Article III

Neither Contracting Party shall conclude any alliance directed against the other Contracting Party or take part in any bloc or in any action or measure directed against the other Contracting Party .

Article IV

The Contracting Parties will continue to consult with each other on all important international questions of common interest to the two countries.

Article V

The Contracting Parties, on the principles of mutual respect for sovereignty, non-interference in each other's internal affairs, equality and mutual benefit and in the spirit of friendly co-operation, will continue to render each other every possible economic and technical aid in the cause of socialist construction of the two countries and will continue to consolidate and develop economic, cultural, and scientific and technical co-operation between the two countries.

Article VI

The Contracting Parties hold that the unification of Korea must be realized along peaceful and democratic lines and that such a solution accords exactly with the national interests of the Korean people and the aim of preserving peace in the Far East.

Article VII

The present Treaty is subject to ratification and shall come into force on the day of exchange of instruments of ratification, which will take place in Pyongyang. The present Treaty will remain in force until the Contracting Parties agree on its amendment or termination. Done in duplicate in Peking on the eleventh day of July, nineteen sixty-one, in the Chinese and Korean languages, both texts being equally authentic.



(Signed)
CHOU EN-LAI

Plenipotentiary of the
People's Republic of China

 

[georgephillip]

What was Chinese GDP in 1961?
Millions of former communists have become filthy rich since that time.
Does it seem likely they would jeopardize their new-found wealth for the DPRK?

 

[Circe]

Nobody is paying any attention to NK now. The Boston Marathon terrorism upstaged it.

Besides, North Korea apparently means to talk us to death, and I'm not too worried about that.

All hat and no cattle, as they say in Texas.

If NK makes war on us or SK, time enough to think about them again then.

 

[Flopper]

The fact that they only have one nuclear bomb, and if they did decide to send it the South's way, then they would be wiped off the face of the earth. I do not think that NK can take out the entire South with one nuke.

We can't know they only have one bomb!

We have intelligence sources in the Pentagon right now saying that they have a bunch of nukes, and at least some miniturized on top of ballistic missiles!

So I don't think we know what they can do.

If they attack, best to annihilate them directly, of course. Otherwise who knows how much damage they will do. Get our damage in first as soon as they attack, so they can't do more.

I assume that is our battle plan; I hope so.

I find it hard to believe that they would go down to defeat sitting on their most power weapons.

 

[Circe]

One of our helicopters "landed hard" (VERY hard, from the photo.....) near the North Korean border. No one killed, but 6 hospitalized, allegedly. I assume NK shot it down and we are not willing to call that.

The Army says they are "investigating."

 

[WethePeopleUS]

The fact that they only have one nuclear bomb, and if they did decide to send it the South's way, then they would be wiped off the face of the earth. I do not think that NK can take out the entire South with one nuke.

We can't know they only have one bomb!

We have intelligence sources in the Pentagon right now saying that they have a bunch of nukes, and at least some miniturized on top of ballistic missiles!

So I don't think we know what they can do.

If they attack, best to annihilate them directly, of course. Otherwise who knows how much damage they will do. Get our damage in first as soon as they attack, so they can't do more.

I assume that is our battle plan; I hope so.

I just don't see NK being suicidal, which is what launching nuclear missiles at anyone in the region will yield for the regime. If NK ever does such a provocative act, they would be annihilated. That would defeat any purpose they were seeking to begin with.

 

[Circe]

I just don't see NK being suicidal, which is what launching nuclear missiles at anyone in the region will yield for the regime. If NK ever does such a provocative act, they would be annihilated. That would defeat any purpose they were seeking to begin with.

True. Assuming they know that.

But they're Koreans; they're smart people, they probably know that.

I suppose it's all a headfake. I'm getting bored with North Korea.

 

[WethePeopleUS]

I just don't see NK being suicidal, which is what launching nuclear missiles at anyone in the region will yield for the regime. If NK ever does such a provocative act, they would be annihilated. That would defeat any purpose they were seeking to begin with.

True. Assuming they know that.

But they're Koreans; they're smart people, they probably know that.

I suppose it's all a headfake. I'm getting bored with North Korea.

Yes, I as well am loosing interest with NK. It just seems like the temper tantrums will never stop over there, and also will never amount to anything. So I say we go back to ignoring them, and if they decide to jump stupid, we will put them back in their place.

 

[Flopper]

I just don't see NK being suicidal, which is what launching nuclear missiles at anyone in the region will yield for the regime. If NK ever does such a provocative act, they would be annihilated. That would defeat any purpose they were seeking to begin with.

True. Assuming they know that.

But they're Koreans; they're smart people, they probably know that.

I suppose it's all a headfake. I'm getting bored with North Korea.

Yes, I as well am loosing interest with NK. It just seems like the temper tantrums will never stop over there, and also will never amount to anything. So I say we go back to ignoring them, and if they decide to jump stupid, we will put them back in their place.

From an interview with a recent North Korean exile:

"It's not even possible for North Korea to have a war," said the woman, who spent years arranging black market deals for bronze smuggled to China. She asked that her name and other identifying details not be used, to protect relatives still living in the North.

"They don't have fuel. They don't have electricity," she said. "Even if they yell to the world that they'll go to war, it's all just talk."

For 60 years, North Korea has been rattling the sabers to get world attention and nothing has ever come of it.


North Korean Exiles Scoff at Talk of War - ABC News

 

[Circe]

"It's not even possible for North Korea to have a war," said the woman, who spent years arranging black market deals for bronze smuggled to China. She asked that her name and other identifying details not be used, to protect relatives still living in the North.

"They don't have fuel. They don't have electricity," she said. "Even if they yell to the world that they'll go to war, it's all just talk."

Reassuring. I hope she is right! They'll still do provocations. We'll see.

I frankly think NK has gone over the line this time and will be put down, though it may take a few months. We'll see. It's an unstable situation; it needs to go.

Like the unstable Soviet Union went. Or the unstable division of Germany went. This cannot last forever. Now would be a good time to deal with it.

BEFORE they get well armed up with lots of nukes on ACBMs. After is not so good.

 

[WethePeopleUS]

True. Assuming they know that.

But they're Koreans; they're smart people, they probably know that.

I suppose it's all a headfake. I'm getting bored with North Korea.

Yes, I as well am loosing interest with NK. It just seems like the temper tantrums will never stop over there, and also will never amount to anything. So I say we go back to ignoring them, and if they decide to jump stupid, we will put them back in their place.

From an interview with a recent North Korean exile:

"It's not even possible for North Korea to have a war," said the woman, who spent years arranging black market deals for bronze smuggled to China. She asked that her name and other identifying details not be used, to protect relatives still living in the North.

"They don't have fuel. They don't have electricity," she said. "Even if they yell to the world that they'll go to war, it's all just talk."

For 60 years, North Korea has been rattling the sabers to get world attention and nothing has ever come of it.


North Korean Exiles Scoff at Talk of War - ABC News

Thank you for this post, because it shows the reality of the situation, even though many North Koreans would have you believe otherwise. I joined the most popular public forum in NK and a majority of them think that they can defeat the US in a war, mainly because they have the backing of China, or so they think. I highly doubt China would help NK 100% if it were actually NK who started a war in their backyard. Makes for an interesting conversation, and that's about it.

I would tell the young leader, Mr. Un, "Hey, if you want the US to sit down and talk of a peace treaty, and economic aid/cooperation, then just tell us, and we would be more than happy to work with you. However the bellicose rhetoric's will not advance your cause, only heed its progression. So lets all act like men, sit down, and work it out. There is far more to gain being allies than enemies." Send me to NK and I'll get them on board with us.

 

[Flopper]

Yes, I as well am loosing interest with NK. It just seems like the temper tantrums will never stop over there, and also will never amount to anything. So I say we go back to ignoring them, and if they decide to jump stupid, we will put them back in their place.

From an interview with a recent North Korean exile:

"It's not even possible for North Korea to have a war," said the woman, who spent years arranging black market deals for bronze smuggled to China. She asked that her name and other identifying details not be used, to protect relatives still living in the North.

"They don't have fuel. They don't have electricity," she said. "Even if they yell to the world that they'll go to war, it's all just talk."

For 60 years, North Korea has been rattling the sabers to get world attention and nothing has ever come of it.


North Korean Exiles Scoff at Talk of War - ABC News

Thank you for this post, because it shows the reality of the situation, even though many North Koreans would have you believe otherwise. I joined the most popular public forum in NK and a majority of them think that they can defeat the US in a war, mainly because they have the backing of China, or so they think. I highly doubt China would help NK 100% if it were actually NK who started a war in their backyard. Makes for an interesting conversation, and that's about it.

I would tell the young leader, Mr. Un, "Hey, if you want the US to sit down and talk of a peace treaty, and economic aid/cooperation, then just tell us, and we would be more than happy to work with you. However the bellicose rhetoric's will not advance your cause, only heed its progression. So lets all act like men, sit down, and work it out. There is far more to gain being allies than enemies." Send me to NK and I'll get them on board with us.

I doubt the opinions on a North Korean forum would be much different than their fearless leader because of the tight control of the media and education. Radio or television sets, which can be bought in North Korea, are preset to receive only the government frequencies and sealed with a label to prevent tampering with the equipment. Internet access is only permitted with special authorization and primarily used for government purposes. North Koreans are taught to hate and fear the rest of the world before they learn to read.