Noble men fight and kill for God, as in Islam

[Pedro de San Patricio]

Presidents Roosevelt and Churchill killed people in an effort to live as noble and praiseworthy human beings. You are aying they can but God can not. That is absolute nonsense. I can't believe this needs to be debated. Cowardice is to not realise that God is brave.

They caused the deaths of Axis soldiers and civilians living under those governments because those governments and the ideologies they were founded on were an existential threat to the liberal democracy. It had to be done. That doesn't make it praiseworthy. That doesn't make it holy to napalm soldiers and bomb cities full of civilians. You do understand that a war can be necessary without being good?

 

[Agit8r]

Anyone who commits a crime because of religion has committed a hate crime.

Just like I could say the US crimes of dropping nuclear bombs on Japan were hate crimes. What you said is nonsense.

While any doctrine of total war is inherently terroristic, the actions of the US in WWII were not based on religion. The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were equal parts political coercion and cold, calculated radiation experimentation.

 

[Avatar4321]

Reading replies that ignore my points isn't going to give me an answer.

 

[Daniyel]

So God causes us to believe what we do, and then commands you to murder us for it.

wouldn't it simply be easier having us all believe the same rather than have us believe what He wants us to and then having you kill us for it?

doesn't seem very just to me.

Notice that a child, for instance will always choose the candy over the diamond. People like you would say God is being unfair since He makes the child to pick the candy. There are many reasons why God Almighty wants some to disbelieve.

Doesn't seem very noble either

Surely, forming an alliance with the Taliban is noble since "they are Afghans like us". If you don't know what is noble, your condition is most critical.

Everyone fear and for many reasons, fear of truth is probably one of the most intimidating traits of humanity, we humans would justify lies and unthinkable horrors just to satisfy that fear, Allah has nothing to fear and therefore it is pure cruelties and evil that drive such God which is also doesn't conjugate with the need of Allah to favor his followers, you among them.

 

[Votto]

Praise be to Mo.

How great and noble I've become.

 

[SpinDr79]

Anyone who commits a crime because of religion has committed a hate crime.

Just like I could say the US crimes of dropping nuclear bombs on Japan were hate crimes. What you said is nonsense.

There is nothing noble or just in slaughtering others because they don't believe. Especially when you believe God made them not believe.

and no God would not be just if the people had no choice whether to believe or not and then has you slaughter them for unbelief.

God gave us free agency. He gave us the ability to chose good and evil. And He holds us accountable for this choices. Otherwise, He would not be just. Justice requires free will.

It seems you did not read my replies. Then one day you come and you say that I don't reply to you. I have replied to all you said, you may want to read it.

There are serious problems with all religions. In contemporary times islamic extremist scripture literalists seem to have the highest propensity towards fanaticism and killing in the name of their god. That is fucking craziness and it needs to stop. Extremist muslims need to chill the fuck out immediately. Prime examples of brainwashing and cultural lag. There is no god, allah, or whatever you want to call it. Its all bullshit and its bad for you. Religious nutbags can bathe in their own ignorance and inability to question their faith but don't go around killing people... Killing is bad ok, its the worst thing you can do. It's really really bad. Don't kill people!

Listen, even presidents Roosevelt and Churchill killed people. Do you say that God can't ? That's nonsense. Also, God exists, just look up and see the vast pathways in the sky, or the clouds pouring rain, or the constellations. Then realise an Almighty God, unique, Creator of the universe exists. Seek about the Night Journey in wikipedia and you will see that Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) is a true prophet of this Almighty God. Then what follows is to try to learn more about Muhammad his religion and his philosophy, his way of life which in Islam is called the Sunna.

Noble men would prefer not to fight and kill, and have the courage to accept that they do it for no god.

Presidents Roosevelt and Churchill killed people in an effort to live as noble and praiseworthy human beings. You are aying they can but God can not. That is absolute nonsense. I can't believe this needs to be debated. Cowardice is to not realise that God is brave.

Hahahahahahahah so if I look into the sacred scrolls of the prophet Wikipedia and look out into the stars I will believe in God with Muhammad as the true prophet???? Why didn't you say so. Wow I just took a peek and immediately revoke my atheism for Islam! Thank you, Muslim 75, for the push I needed to put behind me my degrees in science and knowledge of the laws of nature to blindly and mindlessly rejoice in my newfound nirvana of faith and healing. Something tells me you are playing devil's advocate... Just can't believe someone would offer just looking at our planet and skies as a proof of the existence of a higher power... Been in lots of theological conversations but that one took the cake as the farthest away from resembling a rational thought.

 

[Moonglow]

The traditional knowledge in Islam teaches that we have no business interfering with people's beliefs. God Almighty wanted them to believe those beliefs, so it's not any of our business, we the Muslims.

But Allah Almighty (God Almighty) is very jealous (protective) of His own sovereignty. He gets angry when people disobey Him. So He gave us Muslims a chance and a favour to make Him pleased, by ordering us to fight and kill those who refuse to submit to Him. We are not to be at peace and rest when people make our Creator, our King, the King of the universes to unrest and to be displeased. So He ordered us to fight them and kill them, if they refuse to submit to Him.

There are two sides. Clear yourself of them, hate, fight and kill them, first side. But only do it because of God's jealousy (protectiveness over His sovereignty) and because God ordered you to. In truth, God wanted them to be unbelievers, so what they do is not any of your business, leave them alone; second side.

This is the proper attitude for noble men. Christianity has only one side, and so does Judaism. They are incomplete. Only Islam has both sides, it is complete.

Note

It is absolutely forbidden in this day and age to fight and kill in the name of Islam, both as something obvious and as something found in the traditional knowledge in Islam. In addition, only when all Muslims are united under one king can fighting possibly be ordered. That was the case until about 100 years ago.

Screw any philosophy of subjugation that includes murder.....Screw Allah and Islam..

 

[Votto]

The traditional knowledge in Islam teaches that we have no business interfering with people's beliefs. God Almighty wanted them to believe those beliefs, so it's not any of our business, we the Muslims.

But Allah Almighty (God Almighty) is very jealous (protective) of His own sovereignty. He gets angry when people disobey Him. So He gave us Muslims a chance and a favour to make Him pleased, by ordering us to fight and kill those who refuse to submit to Him. We are not to be at peace and rest when people make our Creator, our King, the King of the universes to unrest and to be displeased. So He ordered us to fight them and kill them, if they refuse to submit to Him.

There are two sides. Clear yourself of them, hate, fight and kill them, first side. But only do it because of God's jealousy (protectiveness over His sovereignty) and because God ordered you to. In truth, God wanted them to be unbelievers, so what they do is not any of your business, leave them alone; second side.

This is the proper attitude for noble men. Christianity has only one side, and so does Judaism. They are incomplete. Only Islam has both sides, it is complete.

Note

It is absolutely forbidden in this day and age to fight and kill in the name of Islam, both as something obvious and as something found in the traditional knowledge in Islam. In addition, only when all Muslims are united under one king can fighting possibly be ordered. That was the case until about 100 years ago.

Screw any philosophy of subjugation that includes murder.....Screw Allah and Islam..

You forgot to include, peace be upon him.

 

[Muslim75]

After 16 years of not retaliating, Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) was allowed to fight back. He was ordered by God to fight and kill the disbelievers. He fought for 7 years, and at the end conquered the sacred city of Mecca (where his mission started and where he stayed before migratiing to Medina) without fighting. This crown, the conquest of Mecca was done without fighting. Muhammad entered Mecca as a king, while the people of Mecca had surrendered, and he did not shed blood.

After Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family), the Muslims continued the fighting and achive speedy victories. The kingdom of Islam spread very fast through far ends of Europe, Africa and Asia. The last historical custodians of the kingdom of Islam were the Ottomans. The Ottomans were glorious. The Ottoman army was feared and deemed invincible. The Ottoman empire came to an end only about 100 years ago. The Ottoman dynasty has been the longest lasting dynasty in the history of mankind, lasting 624 years.

"Your love killed the Turk and the Arab"

Rumi

 

[Lipush]

The traditional knowledge in Islam teaches that we have no business interfering with people's beliefs. God Almighty wanted them to believe those beliefs, so it's not any of our business, we the Muslims.

But Allah Almighty (God Almighty) is very jealous (protective) of His own sovereignty. He gets angry when people disobey Him. So He gave us Muslims a chance and a favour to make Him pleased, by ordering us to fight and kill those who refuse to submit to Him. We are not to be at peace and rest when people make our Creator, our King, the King of the universes to unrest and to be displeased. So He ordered us to fight them and kill them, if they refuse to submit to Him.

There are two sides. Clear yourself of them, hate, fight and kill them, first side. But only do it because of God's jealousy (protectiveness over His sovereignty) and because God ordered you to. In truth, God wanted them to be unbelievers, so what they do is not any of your business, leave them alone; second side.

This is the proper attitude for noble men. Christianity has only one side, and so does Judaism. They are incomplete. Only Islam has both sides, it is complete.

Note

It is absolutely forbidden in this day and age to fight and kill in the name of Islam, both as something obvious and as something found in the traditional knowledge in Islam. In addition, only when all Muslims are united under one king can fighting possibly be ordered. That was the case until about 100 years ago.

What a load of crap.