Noam Chomsky: Is Capitalism Making Life Better?

[Oddball]

Don't give me this crap that free-enterprise is a created thing of the government because, the last time I checked, my actions are not created by the government but can only be hindered by the government

By limiting the actions of others, the State can protect your liberty and ability to act. That is the foundation of all just law: the restriction of liberty to protect liberty and rights. Prime examples include laws against homicide and laws requiring transparency in the market.

BZZZZZZT!...Wrong again, perfesser.

The state's role is to prevent aggression; which, by definition, is an infringement upon the liberty of another. Stopping aggression and providing redress to victims isn't limiting of any liberty of anyone, who didn't first infringe upon someone else's.

Having laws against murder doesn't "limit" it in any way.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Are you always so dense?

In order to protect the rights and safety of others, we restrict the right of a man to discharge his weapon in, say, a theatre in the dark with his eyes closed while intoxicated.

Just laws, such as laws restricting where a car may be driven or the manner in which a bank may do business are restrictions placed on liberty for the protection of the People as a whole and individually.

But keep yelling that I'm wrong while repeating what I just said if it makes you feel better.

 

[Oddball]

Blow me.

There is no "liberty to be an aggressor". "Just law", as defined by the framers of the republic, is reactive, not proactive under the cynical auspices of "protecting the proles from themselves".

Your college boy arrogance belies the weakness of your position.

 

[Avatar4321]

Let's see, since Capitalism has been a driving force in the world, we have had a technological explosion like no other, more food is being produced with less effort, and my personal favorate, we no longer have to go to an outhouse when nature calls.

All and all, i think life is better. But maybe you prefer crapping in a shed in your backyard.

 

[Oddball]

Let's see, since Capitalism has been a driving force in the world, we have had a technological explosion like no other, more food is being produced with less effort, and my personal favorate, we no longer have to go to an outhouse when nature calls.

All and all, i think life is better. But maybe you prefer crapping in a shed in your backyard.

Some prefer burnt offerings at the altar of Saint Noam "The Baffler" Chomsky.

 

[Darkwind]

Smart Man.

Noam Chomsky for president!

Intelligence does not mean bias free.

I could get a better answer from Nim Chimpsky.

Nim Chimpsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Big Fitz]

Noam Chomsky, while attacking the US Military was paid a grant or contract by the Department of Defense.

I'd take pretty much anything he has to say with the Utah Salt Flats.

 

[Big Fitz]

Are you always so dense?

In order to protect the rights and safety of others, we restrict the right of a man to discharge his weapon in, say, a theatre in the dark with his eyes closed while intoxicated.

Just laws, such as laws restricting where a car may be driven or the manner in which a bank may do business are restrictions placed on liberty for the protection of the People as a whole and individually.

But keep yelling that I'm wrong while repeating what I just said if it makes you feel better.

That's a quality of life issue then. You want to go to the theater and get shot in the back of the head by a drunk idiot, just because he has a 'right' to do so? Mmmkay. I'm more than happy to have a government of laws that prevents someone from doing this to me. I think I can handle that freedom being infringed from me as well.

But I think you'll regret the decision... well you wouldn't be able to in this situation, because you'd have had your brains blown out by a drunk idiot with a pistol in a theater... because he has a right to be that way.

The freedom of your fist to fly about ends before it strikes my nose.

 

[Dr Grump]

Let's see, since Capitalism has been a driving force in the world, we have had a technological explosion like no other, more food is being produced with less effort, and my personal favorate, we no longer have to go to an outhouse when nature calls.

All and all, i think life is better. But maybe you prefer crapping in a shed in your backyard.

You mean all those technological advances that have come from 'socialist' countries like those in Europe? Those kind?

 

[eagleseven]

I'm communicating with people around the world from my bed, while enjoying chocolates produced halfway around the world, and slugging down Hard Cider from across the Atlantic.

I like Capitalism, thank you.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

You want to go to the theater and get shot in the back of the head by a drunk idiot, just because he has a 'right' to do so? Mmmkay. I'm more than happy to have a government of laws that prevents someone from doing this to me. I think I can handle that freedom being infringed from me as well.

But I think you'll regret the decision... well you wouldn't be able to in this situation, because you'd have had your brains blown out by a drunk idiot with a pistol in a theater... because he has a right to be that way..

You're a fucking moron, aren't you?

Restricting his liberty to do any such thing is necessary and just because it protects the rights and wellbeing of other people. I just explained this afew posts back.

 

[Oddball]

Let's see, since Capitalism has been a driving force in the world, we have had a technological explosion like no other, more food is being produced with less effort, and my personal favorate, we no longer have to go to an outhouse when nature calls.

All and all, i think life is better. But maybe you prefer crapping in a shed in your backyard.

You mean all those technological advances that have come from 'socialist' countries like those in Europe? Those kind?

You mean like the light bulb?....er...alternating current?....er...the telephone and telegraph?...er...the airplane?...er...television?...er...peanut butter?...er...rock-n-roll?...er...the 392 hemi?

Yeah, you're right....All the really cool stuff was invented in Europe.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Let's see, since Capitalism has been a driving force in the world, we have had a technological explosion like no other, more food is being produced with less effort, and my personal favorate, we no longer have to go to an outhouse when nature calls.

All and all, i think life is better. But maybe you prefer crapping in a shed in your backyard.

You mean all those technological advances that have come from 'socialist' countries like those in Europe? Those kind?

While they may be socialist in the Marxian sense of the term, I fear you're going to confuse Dude and the others by presenting to them nations with mixed economies (like the US) which have muzzled capitalism in order to achieve a more egalitarian and just society.

 

[eagleseven]

You mean all those technological advances that have come from 'socialist' countries like those in Europe? Those kind?

Once the Berlin Wall came crashing down, and all that futuristic Soviet Bloc technology flooded our shores, our lives were never the same...

 

[Oddball]

Let's see, since Capitalism has been a driving force in the world, we have had a technological explosion like no other, more food is being produced with less effort, and my personal favorate, we no longer have to go to an outhouse when nature calls.

All and all, i think life is better. But maybe you prefer crapping in a shed in your backyard.

You mean all those technological advances that have come from 'socialist' countries like those in Europe? Those kind?

While they may be socialist in the Marxian sense of the term, I fear you're going to confuse Dude and the others by presenting to them nations with mixed economies (like the US) which have muzzled capitalism in order to achieve a more egalitarian and just society.

Fuck you, college boy.

The only people that "muzzled" (read: crony corporatist) capitalism has enriched have been the cronies, politicians and bureaucrats who play the legalized protection racket game.

And all useful idiots like you and Chomsky do is run interference for them.

 

[Big Fitz]

You mean all those technological advances that have come from 'socialist' countries like those in Europe? Those kind?

Once the Berlin Wall came crashing down, and all that futuristic Soviet Bloc technology flooded our shores, our lives were never the same...

mmmm.. the AK-47. You're right. Our lives haven't been the same.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

I'm communicating with people around the world from my bed, while enjoying chocolates produced halfway around the world, and slugging down Hard Cider from across the Atlantic.

I like Capitalism, thank you.

Do you like low prices?


Do you like competition to necessitate low prices?


Do you like anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws to ensure competition in the market?

If so, thank a social democrat.


Do you like lead-free paint? do you enjoy knowing those chocolates don't contain antifreeze and your toothpaste doesn't either? If you enjoy such regulation, thank a leftist for demanding the capitalists' rights be restricted to protect the masses.


Do you work? Do you enjoy a wage that pays for more than a cardboard shack? Do you enjoy not living like the poor in England one hundred years ago? Do you enjoy having safety regulations, hazmat laws, workers' comp, and a right to know what you're working with? If so, thank a union and the First and Third International for sparking and leading the way for the labour movement.


If you want to return to 1the pasty, then you can sing the praises of the bourgeoisie and spit on the Left while your working in a coal mine with no respirator, no shoring of the mine, no medical insurance in case of injury- all for a few bucks a day so you can rent your house form the mining company for which you work.

 

[Big Fitz]

Let's see, since Capitalism has been a driving force in the world, we have had a technological explosion like no other, more food is being produced with less effort, and my personal favorate, we no longer have to go to an outhouse when nature calls.

All and all, i think life is better. But maybe you prefer crapping in a shed in your backyard.

You mean all those technological advances that have come from 'socialist' countries like those in Europe? Those kind?

You mean like the light bulb?....er...alternating current?....er...the telephone and telegraph?...er...the airplane?...er...television?...er...peanut butter?...er...rock-n-roll?...er...the 392 hemi?

Yeah, you're right....All the really cool stuff was invented in Europe.

Well the Brits did invent the Steam Locomotive... and the French created the Dirigible... or was it the hot air balloon? And the Germans did create the Jet Engine. And the Swiss! They invented the Cuckoo clock!

I mean come on!

Ohh.. and the Brits invented Radar as well. So that's another cool thing.

But the entire electronic and information age is based almost solely on American ingenuity and invention.

Mother Necessity... where would we be?

 

[☭proletarian☭]

You mean all those technological advances that have come from 'socialist' countries like those in Europe? Those kind?

While they may be socialist in the Marxian sense of the term, I fear you're going to confuse Dude and the others by presenting to them nations with mixed economies (like the US) which have muzzled capitalism in order to achieve a more egalitarian and just society.

Fuck you, college boy.

The only people that "muzzled" (read: crony corporatist) capitalism has enriched have been the cronies, politicians and bureaucrats who play the legalized protection racket game.

And all useful idiots like you and Chomsky do is run interference for them.

Clearly, history is not your forte'. Cronie capitalism is exactly what you espouse. You praise neocolonialism, slavery, and the exploitation of the poor. You are the enemy of liberty and the wellbeing of the People.

Good to know AIG, Goldman Sachs, and F&F did nothing wrong in your eyes.

 

[Big Fitz]

You mean all those technological advances that have come from 'socialist' countries like those in Europe? Those kind?

While they may be socialist in the Marxian sense of the term, I fear you're going to confuse Dude and the others by presenting to them nations with mixed economies (like the US) which have muzzled capitalism in order to achieve a more egalitarian and just society.

Fuck you, college boy.

The only people that "muzzled" (read: crony corporatist) capitalism has enriched have been the cronies, politicians and bureaucrats who play the legalized protection racket game.

And all useful idiots like you and Chomsky do is run interference for them.

It's called Neo-Feudalism, only it's supporters believe they are the ones who deserves to be the nobles. Fuck the rest of the proles.