&
☭proletarian☭
Guest
- Thread starter
- #21
Which of the nations would do better under communism than capitalism?
That's right, you can't defend capitalism, so instead you change to a totally irrelevant subject
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
Which of the nations would do better under communism than capitalism?
☭proletarian☭;1902259 said:Which of the nations would do better under communism than capitalism?
That's right, you can't defend capitalism, so instead you change to a totally irrelevant subject
The keyword is "theory".
Our economic theories did not work so well for us now did they?
The keyword is "theory".
Our economic theories did not work so well for us now did they?
Please, re-read post #20 for indications that capitalism does, indeed, work.
And I hope that you have not reverted to one sentence posts.
The keyword is "theory".
Our economic theories did not work so well for us now did they?
Please, re-read post #20 for indications that capitalism does, indeed, work.
And I hope that you have not reverted to one sentence posts.
Can't count count to two?
Were you addressing me or PC?Well you lost me on quoting a Chomsky opponent there.
Aww, cry me a river for the poor oppressed prolatariat.☭proletarian☭;1901990 said:in fact, capitalism makes for a better life for everyone.
Tell that to India, Viet Nam, the child labourers in China, the child labourers in America before the labour movement gained power, or a mother whose child is now dead from cadmium poisoning because some capitalist wanted a bigger profit margin.
☭proletarian☭;1902513 said:were you addressing me or pc?well you lost me on quoting a chomsky opponent there.
☭proletarian☭;1902450 said:You want an education regarding economics, PC? Read Engels, Marx, Ludwig von Mises, Thomas, E. Woods, Garrison, Jevons, your choice of material from this list, and that dimwit Keyens. Hell, ifyou really wantsome laughs, read that retard Ricardo or whatever his nam,e was.
It will easily become apparent who knew what they were talking about (mostly the Austrians, although Marx, Engels, and others provide valid warnings about why the capitalist beast must always be muzzled.)
America has succeeded not because of unabashed capitalism, but because the capitalist beast ias kept muzzled and upon a short leash. Left alone, this beast enslaves, oppresses, and exploits the common man to line the pockets of the capitalist and the politician. Neocolonialism and its sister Globalism are the natural spawn of capitalism left to its own devices. To achieve a prosperous and egalitarian civilization, the market must be watched closely, the capitalist must be ever under the threat of having his head removed, the records of the bankers must be forcefully put into the open for all to review, the State and the Union must stand beside the labourer in order to ensure his safety. Those who use cadmium and lead in their products must be forcefully imprisoned or denied any right at all to to enter the market.
Only then can any but the bourgeoisie be safe, secure, and prosperous in what necessarily must become pseudo-capitalist society.
ts of the capitalist..."
One would have to work long and hard to be even more incorrect.
"Marxism
rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished,
Most intellectuals today are aware of what communism, socialism, totalitarianism, or any central command-and-control doctrine has done in Russia, under Maos reign of terror, or Cuba or other grotesque examples.
☭proletarian☭;1902592 said:ts of the capitalist..."
One would have to work long and hard to be even more incorrect.
Before the labour movement and egalitarian leftists (with roots reaching back to the First International) muzzled the capitalist beast, we saw capitalism in all its raw glory.
[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Condition-Working-England-Oxford-Classics/dp/0192836889]Amazon.com: The Condition of the Working Class in England (Oxford World's Classics) (9780192836885): Friedrich Engels, David McLellan: Books[/ame]
In much of the third world, where the capitalist can effectively run the nation for a few days' profits, child labour and extremely hazardous working conditions are still prevalent.
When Man becomes yet another resource, more material for the final product, a squishy little cog in the capitalist machine, he soon finds he has just as many rights as any other cog- none at all.
I suggest you ask your local librarian for a history of the labour movement and workers' rights.
"Marxism
I don't careabout Marxism. I am not a Marxist of the true sense and Marx was not a Marxist of the true sort in which you believe.
rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished,
And they did until the progeny of the International rose up as a hydra of labour rights and unions, demanding the capitalist beast be shackled and kept from trampling the lower classes. The rise of the middle class was made possible by the restriction of the market and the 'Divine Right of the Wealthy'.
Most intellectuals today are aware of what communism, socialism, totalitarianism, or any central command-and-control doctrine has done in Russia, under Maos reign of terror, or Cuba or other grotesque examples.
Wrong. Idiots like you think that.
Intellectuals know that not one of those you listed were communist in nature. All were totalitarian oligarchies.
Try thinking for yourself for once instead of copy-pasting whatever propaganda you're fed.
"Revel hated all utopias,
☭proletarian☭;1902820 said:"Revel hated all utopias,
And? He would have then laughed at the capitalist Utopia idiots like you believe in.
Definitions of liberal on the Web:☭proletarian☭;1902820 said:And? He would have then laughed at the capitalist Utopia idiots like you believe in."Revel hated all utopias,
This is your second less than civil use of 'idiot,' forcing me to return the favor: Liberal!
☭proletarian☭;1902820 said:"Revel hated all utopias,
And? He would have then laughed at the capitalist Utopia idiots like you believe in.
This is your second less than civil use of 'idiot,' forcing me to return the favor: Liberal!
☭proletarian☭;1903426 said:Definitions of liberal on the Web:☭proletarian☭;1902820 said:And? He would have then laughed at the capitalist Utopia idiots like you believe in.
This is your second less than civil use of 'idiot,' forcing me to return the favor: Liberal!
- broad: showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "a broad political stance"; "generous and broad sympathies"; "a liberal newspaper"; "tolerant ...
- having political or social views favoring reform and progress
- tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition
- a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties
- a person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets
- One with liberal views, supporting individual liberty
- liberalness - liberality: an inclination to favor progress and individual freedom
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
How revealing that you consider these to be horrible things and that you accuse someone of believing in liberty as an insult.
☭proletarian☭;1903426 said:Definitions of liberal on the Web:☭proletarian☭;1902820 said:And? He would have then laughed at the capitalist Utopia idiots like you believe in.
This is your second less than civil use of 'idiot,' forcing me to return the favor: Liberal!
- broad: showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "a broad political stance"; "generous and broad sympathies"; "a liberal newspaper"; "tolerant ...
- having political or social views favoring reform and progress
- tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition
- a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties
- a person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets
- One with liberal views, supporting individual liberty
- liberalness - liberality: an inclination to favor progress and individual freedom
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
How revealing that you consider these to be horrible things and that you accuse someone of believing in liberty as an insult.