No One Has a Right to Health Care

[Maryland Patriot]

if there is a right to healthcare, food, housing, transportation etc.. simply because you were born, and that care comes at the expense of others, then I say we have a right to tell you if you are allowed to have children or not. very simple.

So how does that work ? You advocate abortion but the child has already been born. Mad.

exactly where in your warped mind did that come from? seriously.
F-ing liberals, no idea how process a simple thought.
its why so many of them are opting for total government control of their lives. So much easier to live when someone is telling you what to do 24 hours a day.

Here you go.

I say we have a right to tell you if you are allowed to have children or not. very simple.

I cant read it as anything other than a pro abortion shout. Perhaps you could explain what you would do to carry through this libertarian plan ?

and as would be expected, a liberal only sees abortion as the only option to not having kids.
Keep going, you are really showing your true colors.

Ok - I am willing to learn. What is your plan ? How will it work ?

Gee, I don't know dude, if you cant figure it out you are an idiot. Sorry to be so blunt.
I managed not to have a child until I was financially able to raise it properly, and then I only had one. Why cant you figure it out?
Or, is this just more proof that conservatives are smarter than liberals.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

jmo but I think its a valid political discussion about whether Bernie is correctly saying there's some "right," and their ain't.

That's true. Healthcare is not a right under our Constitution. When the Declaration of Independence was written, going to a doctor didn't get you very far, anyway. He might bleed you or give you a concoction that would kill you or at best do nothing to harm you but not help you, either. Now, in 2016, there are medicines and diagostic tests and amazing surgery that save and improve lives. But they are astronomically expensive, and we can no longer pay the doctor with a chicken or a dozen eggs or a face cord of firewood, like people did in the good old days. No, it is not a right, but it is a moral imperative, imo, to give everyone--rich or poor--access to the medical care which now does save lives and frequently gift us with an improved quality of life, as well. ACA isn't working because it is a chopped up, watered down mess thanks to the Republican fight against universal health care.
Those people who have no compassion for their fellow man can go live in the third world shit hole of their choice and keep their grubby money. Good riddance.

What about the compassion of selfish fucks who do nothing with their lives and demand that we take care of them? Doesn't sound very compassionate to me now does it? Isn't the compassionate thing to do to be self-reliant?

 

[OldLady]

if there is a right to healthcare, food, housing, transportation etc.. simply because you were born, and that care comes at the expense of others, then I say we have a right to tell you if you are allowed to have children or not. very simple.

So how does that work ? You advocate abortion but the child has already been born. Mad.

exactly where in your warped mind did that come from? seriously.
F-ing liberals, no idea how process a simple thought.
its why so many of them are opting for total government control of their lives. So much easier to live when someone is telling you what to do 24 hours a day.

Here you go.

I say we have a right to tell you if you are allowed to have children or not. very simple.

I cant read it as anything other than a pro abortion shout. Perhaps you could explain what you would do to carry through this libertarian plan ?

I believe involuntary sterilization is where this mindset lives.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

if there is a right to healthcare, food, housing, transportation etc.. simply because you were born, and that care comes at the expense of others, then I say we have a right to tell you if you are allowed to have children or not. very simple.

So how does that work ? You advocate abortion but the child has already been born. Mad.

exactly where in your warped mind did that come from? seriously.
F-ing liberals, no idea how process a simple thought.
its why so many of them are opting for total government control of their lives. So much easier to live when someone is telling you what to do 24 hours a day.

Here you go.

I say we have a right to tell you if you are allowed to have children or not. very simple.

I cant read it as anything other than a pro abortion shout. Perhaps you could explain what you would do to carry through this libertarian plan ?

and as would be expected, a liberal only sees abortion as the only option to not having kids.
Keep going, you are really showing your true colors.

I guess those of us who put a rubber n it or used BC are some special MOFO's that pulled of the impossible!

Are you advocating more support for Planned Parenthood ?

 

[Contumacious]

A right to healthcare would seem to improve life and pursuit of happiness. As they say "two out of three ain't bad".

NO, you stupid fuck, having to pay for your healthcare would not improve my right to life, liberty, property and to pursue happiness.


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Is this a serious post??

Was that a serious post?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

if there is a right to healthcare, food, housing, transportation etc.. simply because you were born, and that care comes at the expense of others, then I say we have a right to tell you if you are allowed to have children or not. very simple.

So how does that work ? You advocate abortion but the child has already been born. Mad.

exactly where in your warped mind did that come from? seriously.
F-ing liberals, no idea how process a simple thought.
its why so many of them are opting for total government control of their lives. So much easier to live when someone is telling you what to do 24 hours a day.

Here you go.

I say we have a right to tell you if you are allowed to have children or not. very simple.

I cant read it as anything other than a pro abortion shout. Perhaps you could explain what you would do to carry through this libertarian plan ?

I believe involuntary sterilization is where this mindset lives.

Thats harsh. I think "disapproving looks" and " cold showers" will be a big part of a multi faceted strategy.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

So how does that work ? You advocate abortion but the child has already been born. Mad.

exactly where in your warped mind did that come from? seriously.
F-ing liberals, no idea how process a simple thought.
its why so many of them are opting for total government control of their lives. So much easier to live when someone is telling you what to do 24 hours a day.

Here you go.

I say we have a right to tell you if you are allowed to have children or not. very simple.

I cant read it as anything other than a pro abortion shout. Perhaps you could explain what you would do to carry through this libertarian plan ?

and as would be expected, a liberal only sees abortion as the only option to not having kids.
Keep going, you are really showing your true colors.

I guess those of us who put a rubber n it or used BC are some special MOFO's that pulled of the impossible!

Are you advocating more support for Planned Parenthood ?

No.. BC is inexpensive as hell... I don't support free BC any more than I do free hamburgers.

 

[Contumacious]

jmo but I think its a valid political discussion about whether Bernie is correctly saying there's some "right," and their ain't.

That's true. Healthcare is not a right under our Constitution. When the Declaration of Independence was written, going to a doctor didn't get you very far, anyway. He might bleed you or give you a concoction that would kill you or at best do nothing to harm you but not help you, either. Now, in 2016, there are medicines and diagostic tests and amazing surgery that save and improve lives. But they are astronomically expensive, and we can no longer pay the doctor with a chicken or a dozen eggs or a face cord of firewood, like people did in the good old days. No, it is not a right, but it is a moral imperative, imo, to give everyone--rich or poor--access to the medical care which now does save lives and frequently gift us with an improved quality of life, as well. ACA isn't working because it is a chopped up, watered down mess thanks to the Republican fight against universal health care.
Those people who have no compassion for their fellow man can go live in the third world shit hole of their choice and keep their grubby money. Good riddance.

IF THE RIGHT TO HEALTHCARE IS A SERIOUS ONE THEN YOU MUST PREVENT THE FOLKS WHO HAS MADE IT UNAFFORDABLE TO QUIT FUCKING WITH IT.

NATIONALIZING/SOCIALISING THE RIGHT IS NOT GOING TO HELP US ANY.

LIKE THE OLD SOVIET DOCTORS USE TO SAY THE STATE PRETENDS THAT IT IS PAYING US AND WE PRETEND THAT WE ARE PROVIDING HEALTHCARE

 

[Preacher]

No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Yes we do. Yes we should. Yes we WILL! FDR'S 2nd bill of rights needs passed!

 

[OldLady]

jmo but I think its a valid political discussion about whether Bernie is correctly saying there's some "right," and their ain't.

That's true. Healthcare is not a right under our Constitution. When the Declaration of Independence was written, going to a doctor didn't get you very far, anyway. He might bleed you or give you a concoction that would kill you or at best do nothing to harm you but not help you, either. Now, in 2016, there are medicines and diagostic tests and amazing surgery that save and improve lives. But they are astronomically expensive, and we can no longer pay the doctor with a chicken or a dozen eggs or a face cord of firewood, like people did in the good old days. No, it is not a right, but it is a moral imperative, imo, to give everyone--rich or poor--access to the medical care which now does save lives and frequently gift us with an improved quality of life, as well. ACA isn't working because it is a chopped up, watered down mess thanks to the Republican fight against universal health care.
Those people who have no compassion for their fellow man can go live in the third world shit hole of their choice and keep their grubby money. Good riddance.

IF THE RIGHT TO HEALTHCARE IS A SERIOUS ONE THEN YOU MUST PREVENT THE FOLKS WHO HAS MADE IT UNAFFORDABLE TO QUIT FUCKING WITH IT.

NATIONALIZING/SOCIALISING THE RIGHT IS NOT GOING TO HELP US ANY.

LIKE THE OLD SOVIET DOCTORS USE TO SAY THE STATE PRETENDS THAT IT IS PAYING US AND WE PRETEND THAT WE ARE PROVIDING HEALTHCARE

I'm right there with you, Contumacious, that we must stop the folks who have made healthcare unaffordable. I am a Woman of Very Little Brain, so unfortunately I don't quite know how, but it's quite telling that this is NEVER discussed by any of the candidates vowing to fix our lives. Maybe the establishment in Washington is profiting, too?
But universal healthcare, run right, will help a lot of people, including those paying too much with messed up Obamacare. In my opinion, that is.

 

[the_human_being]

I find it amusing that those who support abortion are themselves the product of birth.

 

[RDD_1210]

A right to healthcare would seem to improve life and pursuit of happiness. As they say "two out of three ain't bad".

NO, you stupid fuck, having to pay for your healthcare would not improve my right to life, liberty, property and to pursue happiness.


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Is this a serious post??

Was that a serious post?

Holy shit, you're actually retarded aren't you? I'm not saying it as a derogatory term but you've actually been diagnosed as mentally slow, haven't you?

Just say so, I'll ease up on you. I never want to be accused of picking on the disadvantaged.

 

[ZackB]

I don't give a crap whether it is a "right". I don't care if some people think it is "moral".

Providing at least preventive, diagnostic and basic health care services identifies problems early and saves money in the long run. It's good economics.

Expand the current, already-working personal Medicare/Medicare Supplement/Medicare Advantage program to all.

Take a massive cost/administration monkey off the backs of American business. Take a massive cost/administration monkey off the backs of insurers by relieving them of paying for the lower-end services. Rid us of the SEVEN (7) different delivery/payment systems we have right now, none of which coordinate directly with the other. Maintain a robust, dynamic, competitive insurance environment.

Both parties have completely failed us on this.
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Providing at least preventive, diagnostic and basic health care services identifies problems early and saves money in the long run, it's not good economics if taxpayers and producers are required to pay for them under penalty of law.

Hopefully , you will agree that when those taxpayers and producers violently oppose your scheme that you will agree that its a good defensive mechanism


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Goddamn, dude. Are you shooting piss into your veins? Calm down.

 

[boilermaker55]

Or "to promote the general welfare"
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of ...

A right to healthcare would seem to improve life and pursuit of happiness. As they say "two out of three ain't bad".

 

[Arianrhod]

if there is a right to healthcare, food, housing, transportation etc.. simply because you were born, and that care comes at the expense of others, then I say we have a right to tell you if you are allowed to have children or not. very simple.

So how does that work ? You advocate abortion but the child has already been born. Mad.

exactly where in your warped mind did that come from? seriously.

Because it's patently obvious.

"SAVE THE FETUSESSS!!!!! END MEDICAID, END OBAMACARE, NO ONE'S ENTITLED TO HEALTH INSURANCE!"

Present some evidence you care about them after they're born. You don't. "NOT MY PROBLEM!!!!11!!"

pretend you care about mistakes Ive made that have cost me thousands of dollars. Should I send you a post office box number so you can give me some money?

To save the fetuses? What are you talking about?

 

[OldLady]

jmo but I think its a valid political discussion about whether Bernie is correctly saying there's some "right," and their ain't.

That's true. Healthcare is not a right under our Constitution. When the Declaration of Independence was written, going to a doctor didn't get you very far, anyway. He might bleed you or give you a concoction that would kill you or at best do nothing to harm you but not help you, either. Now, in 2016, there are medicines and diagostic tests and amazing surgery that save and improve lives. But they are astronomically expensive, and we can no longer pay the doctor with a chicken or a dozen eggs or a face cord of firewood, like people did in the good old days. No, it is not a right, but it is a moral imperative, imo, to give everyone--rich or poor--access to the medical care which now does save lives and frequently gift us with an improved quality of life, as well. ACA isn't working because it is a chopped up, watered down mess thanks to the Republican fight against universal health care.
Those people who have no compassion for their fellow man can go live in the third world shit hole of their choice and keep their grubby money. Good riddance.

What about the compassion of selfish fucks who do nothing with their lives and demand that we take care of them? Doesn't sound very compassionate to me now does it? Isn't the compassionate thing to do to be self-reliant?

Selfish fucks shouldn't throw stones, NOLA.

 

[ZackB]

Even prior to the ACA nobody was denied access to healthcare. If you walked into a publicly funded hospital with a stab wound or drug overdose they were required to take care of you.

An E.R. charges a thousand dollars for a visit, where people with pneumonia, gastroenteritis, panic attacks, etc. go when a doctor's visit would be vastly less expensive, if they had the insurance coverage. Who's really paying?

I am paying for it, as are other taxpayers. Nonetheless, I have no interest in paying for your "preventative care", rubbers, or cock enhancement surgery. However, since I have no desire to move elsewhere to live with Muslims and other trash I am stuck having to pay for YOUR healthcare, aren't I?

 

[OldLady]

I find it amusing that those who support abortion are themselves the product of birth.

Pretty deep, HB. True words to ponder.

 

[ZackB]

Even prior to the ACA nobody was denied access to healthcare. If you walked into a publicly funded hospital with a stab wound or drug overdose they were required to take care of you.

An E.R. charges a thousand dollars for a visit, where people with pneumonia, gastroenteritis, panic attacks, etc. go when a doctor's visit would be vastly less expensive, if they had the insurance coverage. Who's really paying?

Since more people have insurance now, those costs are dropping. Again, plenty of information about that in the ObamaCare forum (see Greenbeard's posts/threads in particular).

As for why people go to the ER for those things, they very often become critical after the doctor's gone home for the day; the ER is open 24/7. If you're struggling to breathe on a Friday evening because of pneumonia or asthma, it's a little inconvenient to wait until Monday morning.

There are walk-in clinics in some places, but they too keep "business hours." When the walk-in clinic and your doctor's office are closed, who ya gonna call?

I agree. I was replying to ZackB's ridiculous statement that publicly funded hospitals have to treat you. There are a lot of uninsured people using the ER for their medical complaints because they can't afford a doctor's visit. And that ends up costing tax payers a lot more.

You are not very well informed, sweet cheeks.

 

[boilermaker55]

Try to think past your statement and his.
You are against abortion , yet you feel it is ok for some, the product of birth, to suffer because they cannot afford healthcare.
Ponder that thought for a bit.

I find it amusing that those who support abortion are themselves the product of birth.

Pretty deep, HB. True words to ponder.