No Intellectuals allowed!!!!

[Old Rocks]

If being an intellectual elitist snob means thinking that people being proud of this...

...and actually believing this...

...is a national embarrassment, then so be it.

Are you saying that people lived with "dinosaurs"?

The funny thing about scientific contributions to the US is that they are real.

People making "creationist" museums aren't out digging up fossils and doing carbon dating and studying radioactive decay. They're not "contributing". They don't publish scientific papers, or even write any. They don't study geology or paleontology. Or plate tectonics. They don't dig up air bubbles from Antarctic ice pack to see what the air was like 100,000 years ago and figure out how it's changed and is changing. Those people don't study the earths magnetic field and how it keeps us safe from cosmic rays. They don't dig up meteors to find the source of iridium that blanketed the earth in the past leaving indisputable proof of meteor collisions. They don't study the grand canyon and figure out why the fossils at the bottom are simple and grow more complex as you move up through the layers of earth.

What they do is confuse people who already think the Sun travels around the Earth. And please don't look surprised and say, "It doesn't?"

You're so right, as usual.
Present Creationist Scientists—Individuals on this list must posess a doctorate in a science-related field

Dr Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
Dr Steve Austin, Geologist
Dr S.E. Aw, Biochemist
Dr Thomas Barnes, Physicist
Dr Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert
Dr John Baumgardner, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics
Dr Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
Dr Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology
Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology
Dr Raymond G. Bohlin, Creationist Biologist
Dr Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology
Dr David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer
Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics
Dr David Catchpoole, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics
Dr Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
Dr Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering
Dr Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist
Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education
Dr Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist
Dr Bob Compton, DVM
Dr Ken Cumming, Biologist
Dr Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist
Dr Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering
Dr Lionel Dahmer, Organic Chemistry
Dr Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging
Dr Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist
Dr Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry
Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
Dr David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
Dr Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div
Dr Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr Ted Driggers
Dr André Eggen, Creationist geneticist
Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics
Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy
Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology
Dr Duane Gish, Biochemist
Dr Werner Gitt, Information Scientist
Dr Dianne Grocott, Creationist Psychiatrist
Dr Stephen Grocott, Creationist Industrial Chemist
Dr Donald Hamann, Food Scientist
Dr Barry Harker, Philosopher
Dr Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics
Dr George Hawke, Creationist Environmental Scientist
Dr Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Creationist Botanist
Dr Harold R. Henry, Engineer
Dr Jonathan Henry, Astronomy
Dr Joseph Henson, Entomologist
Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy
Dr Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist
Dr Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science
Dr Russell Humphreys, Physicist
Dr Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist
Dr Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon
Dr Raymond Jones, Creationist Agricultural Scientist
Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology
Dr Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics
Dr Dean Kenyon, Biologist
Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology
Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science
Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry
Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science
Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering
Dr John W. Klotz, Biologist
Dr Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology
Dr Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology
Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics
Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology
Prof. John Lennox, Mathematics
Dr John Leslie, Biochemist
Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biologist, Genetics
Dr Alan Love, Chemist
Dr Ian Macreadie, Creationist molecular biologist and microbiologist:
Dr John Mann, Agriculturist
Dr John Marcus, Creationist Molecular Biologist
Dr George Marshall, Creationist Eye Disease Researcher
Dr Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist
Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics
Dr David Menton, Creationist Anatomist
Dr Angela Meyer: Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr John Meyer , Physiologist
Dr John N. Moore, Science Educator
Dr Henry M. Morris, Hydrologist
Dr John D. Morris , Geologist
Dr Len Morris, Physiologist
Dr Graeme Mortimer, Geologist
Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering
Dr David Oderberg, Philosopher
Prof. John Oller, Linguistics
Prof. Chris D. Osborne , Assistant Professor of Biology
Dr John Osgood, Medical Practitioner
Dr Charles Pallaghy, Botanist
Dr Gary E. Parker , Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology)
Dr John Rankin, Cosmologist:
Dr A.S. Reece, M.D.
Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics
Dr Jung-Goo Roe, Biology
Dr David Rosevear, Chemist
Dr Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist
Dr Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist:
Dr Ian Scott, Educator
Dr Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist
Dr Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry
Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science
Dr Mikhail Shulgin, Physics
Dr Emil Silvestru, Creationist geologist/karstologist
Dr Roger Simpson, Engineer
Dr Harold Slusher, Geophysicist
Dr Andrew Snelling , Geologist
Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science
Prof. James Stark , Assistant Professor of Science Education
Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer
Dr Charles Taylor, Linguistics
Dr Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
Dr Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry
Dr Royal Truman, Organic Chemist:
Dr Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist
Dr Joachim Vetter, Biologist
Dr Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist
Dr Keith Wanser, Physicist
Dr Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)
Dr A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
Dr Carl Wieland, Medical doctor
Dr Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist
Dr Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist
Dr Bryant Wood, Creationist Archaeologist
Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics
Dr Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D.,
Dr Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics
Dr Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology
Dr Patrick Young, Creationist Chemist and Materials Scientist
Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography

Every area of endevor has it's kooks and mentally ill.

 

[Old Rocks]

Intellectuals--& nobody's that could give a good speech got us into this mess in the first place.

Give'me Sarah Palin any year, any month, any day over a bunch of overly eduacated MORONS.

Excellant, you take her. The rest of us do not want her.

 

[JBeukema]

Intellectuals--& nobody's that could give a good speech got us into this mess in the first place.

Give'me Sarah Palin any year, any month, any day over a bunch of overly eduacated MORONS.

Excellant, you take her. The rest of us do not want her.

 

[oreo]

Now the OPT of this post should know already--that the "ONLY" inteltectual in this county is the POTUS whose name is BARACK OBAMA---who has a following of the "sheepople" & the rest of us are a bunch of undereducated baboons.

 

[Ringel05]

His premise was there were NO scientists backing creationism, these people are all scientists by virtue of academic criteria.

Wrong. They are masters or doctors. 'Scientist' denotes one who follows the scientific method. It denotes methodology, not education or title.

Yes I understand the difference. If you are indeed correct then I am mistaken and will withdraw my statement (metaphorically). However you provide no impirical proof (not opinion) of your claim so until you do I have no choice but to stand by my technical contention.

 

[Amanda]

I'd rather be happy than smart.

And...

I'd rather be around happy people than smart people.

Now all of you terribly clever people can have some fun with that. Go ahead, knock yourselves out.

 

[JBeukema]

I'd rather be happy than smart.

And...

I'd rather be around happy people than smart people.

Now all of you terribly clever people can have some fun with that. Go ahead, knock yourselves out.

'God bless America, my home sweet home...'
​

 

[oreo]

His premise was there were NO scientists backing creationism, these people are all scientists by virtue of academic criteria.

Wrong. They are masters or doctors. 'Scientist' denotes one who follows the scientific method. It denotes methodology, not education or title.

Yes I understand the difference. If you are indeed correct then I am mistaken and will withdraw my statement (metaphorically). However you provide no impirical proof (not opinion) of your claim so until you do I have no choice but to stand by my technical contention.

Yeah--you list the degrees up the ying yang--but has any freakin one of them (politicians) owned & operated their own business-&-made out a payroll check?---LOL


Let me tell you--you don't know SQUAT until you have made out a pay-check to somebody else, regardless of the degrees coming out your arse.

 

[oreo]

Are you saying that people lived with "dinosaurs"?

The funny thing about scientific contributions to the US is that they are real.

People making "creationist" museums aren't out digging up fossils and doing carbon dating and studying radioactive decay. They're not "contributing". They don't publish scientific papers, or even write any. They don't study geology or paleontology. Or plate tectonics. They don't dig up air bubbles from Antarctic ice pack to see what the air was like 100,000 years ago and figure out how it's changed and is changing. Those people don't study the earths magnetic field and how it keeps us safe from cosmic rays. They don't dig up meteors to find the source of iridium that blanketed the earth in the past leaving indisputable proof of meteor collisions. They don't study the grand canyon and figure out why the fossils at the bottom are simple and grow more complex as you move up through the layers of earth.

What they do is confuse people who already think the Sun travels around the Earth. And please don't look surprised and say, "It doesn't?"

You're so right, as usual.
Present Creationist Scientists—Individuals on this list must posess a doctorate in a science-related field

Dr Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
Dr Steve Austin, Geologist
Dr S.E. Aw, Biochemist
Dr Thomas Barnes, Physicist
Dr Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert
Dr John Baumgardner, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics
Dr Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
Dr Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology
Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology
Dr Raymond G. Bohlin, Creationist Biologist
Dr Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology
Dr David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer
Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics
Dr David Catchpoole, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics
Dr Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
Dr Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering
Dr Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist
Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education
Dr Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist
Dr Bob Compton, DVM
Dr Ken Cumming, Biologist
Dr Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist
Dr Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering
Dr Lionel Dahmer, Organic Chemistry
Dr Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging
Dr Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist
Dr Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry
Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
Dr David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
Dr Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div
Dr Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr Ted Driggers
Dr André Eggen, Creationist geneticist
Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics
Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy
Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology
Dr Duane Gish, Biochemist
Dr Werner Gitt, Information Scientist
Dr Dianne Grocott, Creationist Psychiatrist
Dr Stephen Grocott, Creationist Industrial Chemist
Dr Donald Hamann, Food Scientist
Dr Barry Harker, Philosopher
Dr Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics
Dr George Hawke, Creationist Environmental Scientist
Dr Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Creationist Botanist
Dr Harold R. Henry, Engineer
Dr Jonathan Henry, Astronomy
Dr Joseph Henson, Entomologist
Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy
Dr Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist
Dr Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science
Dr Russell Humphreys, Physicist
Dr Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist
Dr Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon
Dr Raymond Jones, Creationist Agricultural Scientist
Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology
Dr Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics
Dr Dean Kenyon, Biologist
Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology
Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science
Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry
Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science
Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering
Dr John W. Klotz, Biologist
Dr Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology
Dr Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology
Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics
Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology
Prof. John Lennox, Mathematics
Dr John Leslie, Biochemist
Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biologist, Genetics
Dr Alan Love, Chemist
Dr Ian Macreadie, Creationist molecular biologist and microbiologist:
Dr John Mann, Agriculturist
Dr John Marcus, Creationist Molecular Biologist
Dr George Marshall, Creationist Eye Disease Researcher
Dr Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist
Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics
Dr David Menton, Creationist Anatomist
Dr Angela Meyer: Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr John Meyer , Physiologist
Dr John N. Moore, Science Educator
Dr Henry M. Morris, Hydrologist
Dr John D. Morris , Geologist
Dr Len Morris, Physiologist
Dr Graeme Mortimer, Geologist
Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering
Dr David Oderberg, Philosopher
Prof. John Oller, Linguistics
Prof. Chris D. Osborne , Assistant Professor of Biology
Dr John Osgood, Medical Practitioner
Dr Charles Pallaghy, Botanist
Dr Gary E. Parker , Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology)
Dr John Rankin, Cosmologist:
Dr A.S. Reece, M.D.
Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics
Dr Jung-Goo Roe, Biology
Dr David Rosevear, Chemist
Dr Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist
Dr Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist:
Dr Ian Scott, Educator
Dr Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist
Dr Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry
Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science
Dr Mikhail Shulgin, Physics
Dr Emil Silvestru, Creationist geologist/karstologist
Dr Roger Simpson, Engineer
Dr Harold Slusher, Geophysicist
Dr Andrew Snelling , Geologist
Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science
Prof. James Stark , Assistant Professor of Science Education
Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer
Dr Charles Taylor, Linguistics
Dr Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
Dr Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry
Dr Royal Truman, Organic Chemist:
Dr Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist
Dr Joachim Vetter, Biologist
Dr Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist
Dr Keith Wanser, Physicist
Dr Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)
Dr A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
Dr Carl Wieland, Medical doctor
Dr Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist
Dr Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist
Dr Bryant Wood, Creationist Archaeologist
Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics
Dr Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D.,
Dr Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics
Dr Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology
Dr Patrick Young, Creationist Chemist and Materials Scientist
Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography

Every area of endevor has it's kooks and mentally ill.

Well--a piece of educated "??" like you could never understand the difference between what is real & what is written & inserted into a teleprompter for someone to read.

 

[veritas]

I'd rather be happy than smart.

And...

I'd rather be around happy people than smart people.

Now all of you terribly clever people can have some fun with that. Go ahead, knock yourselves out.

They say: "Ignorance is bliss" and I think there are a couple of studies out there supporting that meme.

 

[Fatality]

another fine example of the liberal "intellectual"

 

[JBeukema]

Wrong. They are masters or doctors. 'Scientist' denotes one who follows the scientific method. It denotes methodology, not education or title.

Yes I understand the difference. If you are indeed correct then I am mistaken and will withdraw my statement (metaphorically). However you provide no impirical proof (not opinion) of your claim so until you do I have no choice but to stand by my technical contention.

Yeah--you list the degrees up the ying yang--but has any freakin one of them (politicians) owned & operated their own business-&-made out a payroll check?---LOL


Let me tell you--you don't know SQUAT until you have made out a pay-check to somebody else, regardless of the degrees coming out your arse.

Good to see that elitism is still alive and well among the petty- and haute- bourgeoisie...

 

[Ringel05]

Yes I understand the difference. If you are indeed correct then I am mistaken and will withdraw my statement (metaphorically). However you provide no impirical proof (not opinion) of your claim so until you do I have no choice but to stand by my technical contention.

Yeah--you list the degrees up the ying yang--but has any freakin one of them (politicians) owned & operated their own business-&-made out a payroll check?---LOL


Let me tell you--you don't know SQUAT until you have made out a pay-check to somebody else, regardless of the degrees coming out your arse.

Good to see that elitism is still alive and well among the petty- and haute- bourgeoisie...

I'm still trying to figure out which one of us he/she/it was addressing?!

 

[rdean]

I'd rather be happy than smart.

And...

I'd rather be around happy people than smart people.

Now all of you terribly clever people can have some fun with that. Go ahead, knock yourselves out.

They say: "Ignorance is bliss" and I think there are a couple of studies out there supporting that meme.

I don't think it occured to them that some "smart" people ARE "happy". I would just be happy to be smart.

Notice how they put down smart people. Nothing we touch, wear, use, buy was created by people that weren't "smart". How many ditch diggers invented "microwave ovens"? Yet the right wants to put down those inventing "microwave ovens" and say it's the ditch diggers that have "common sense". Go figure.

 

[Gudrid]

I don't think intelligence and happiness are related in the least. I know happy smart people and unhappy smart people. I know happy dumb people and miserable dumb people. Generally, my first choice for people to hang out with would be happy smart people. Second on the list would be happy dumb people. Third would be unhappy smart people. Dumb unhappy people come in dead last. Fortunately, I know quite a few happy smart people, so it's all good.

 

[Diuretic]

The Republican Party used to be THE party of the highbrows. Truly it was!

After losing election after election to the Dems they RNC finally figured it out.

Now both parties appeal mostly to people's prejudices and conceits because they know those emotional issues, rather than the boring details of highly complex problems and their solutions, are what motivates people to vote.

One can easily see by the emotionalism on this board, what the average voter understands.. and facts and complex details AREN'T IT.

Look how quickly the LIE that the Obama health plan was going to kill the old took hold of many anti-Obamans.

Now that was a lie. It was never anything but a lie, but it appealed to the emotional fears and conceits and prejudices of very stupid people.

And very stupid people SO ounumber people capable of the complex and nuanced thinking it takes to understand a problem so vast as the HC crises.

Again, as is so evident by simply reading the comments found on this board.

The old adage "Sell the sizzle not the steak" is exactly how our poltical dialogues are framed now, folks.

Every issue, however complex, is reduced to something that even nearly retarded people can THINK they understand.

It's basically RETAIL politics.

It's an irony that the same people who refuse to accept that the United States is a liberal democracy because "democracy is mob rule, we are a Republic", are the same folks who appeal to that self-same mob.

 

[Diuretic]

another leftie example of an "intellectual"

their hero che'

with a screen name of Fatality and a screen image of a Republican attack squad ninja, it is obvious intellect is not your strong suit.

I will be in the Phoenix area next week. How will I be able to identify you. Do you go around in the Ninja outfit in 120 degree heat.

Ninja?

But how would we know......

 

[nodoginnafight]

I agree with the no-corolation theory. Same thing applies when you are talking about money too imho.

 

[rdean]

I don't think intelligence and happiness are related in the least. I know happy smart people and unhappy smart people. I know happy dumb people and miserable dumb people. Generally, my first choice for people to hang out with would be happy smart people. Second on the list would be happy dumb people. Third would be unhappy smart people. Dumb unhappy people come in dead last. Fortunately, I know quite a few happy smart people, so it's all good.

Four catogories.

Between extreme and center Democrats and extreme and center Republicans, I wonder where they fall into the four catagories. I have my suspicions.

 

[JBeukema]

Studies among normal people show no correlation between scores on tests of intelligence and happiness... [FONT=&quot]Gifted people are not happier than average, but people with learning disabilities are[/FONT]

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