"No Hesitation!"- Belarus Names Conditions for Use of Nukes.

[Silver Cat]

You clearly know nothing detail about Dear Uncle's rise to power .
That latter statement of yours is ludicrous . Apart from being incorrect .

I meant that back in 1995-98 years Lukashenko was much more popular among the Russians than Eltsine. And that's why they have chosen somebody like him. Any public politician is an actor, and his performance is usually more successful when it is based on archetypes familiar to the viewer. You hardly can sell something totally new and unfamiliar to your customers. When your people ask "Who is Mr. Putin? ", and you need a simple answer, you tell them something like: "Putin is our Lukashenko" or "Putin is new Stalin" or "Putin is new Ivan the Terrible" or "Vlad Putin is new Vlad III Dracula" or "Vladimir Putin is new prince Vladimir "the Red Sun" Svyatoslavovich".
It's more about advertising rather then about actual scholarship, but who knows for sure?

 

[toomuchtime_]

And don't tell me, that there were no Germans quite enthusiastic about cooperation with the Russians.

Hell, many of them still want to buy Russian gas and oil.

Those days are gone forever because of the grossly incompetent Russian leadership. No one will become dependent on Russia oil and gas again, now that they know it will be used as leverage to try to control their national policies.

 

[Silver Cat]

Those days are gone forever because of the grossly incompetent Russian leadership. No one will become dependent on Russia oil and gas again, now that they know it will be used as leverage to try to control their national policies.

They are still dependent and that's why there are so many Putinversteher and Russlandversteher.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

‘No hesitation’ – Belarus names conditions for use of nukes

Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko has commented on the planned deployment of Russian tactical nuclear weapons in his country

www.rt.com

It's critical that all sides make the statement.

But it's strategically important that all sides are aware of how little it will take for a nuclear war to be started.

It should also bring home that point that neither America or Russia will ever consent to lose!

Instead of negotiations taking place in the public eye, the better possibility is that negotiations are conducted covertly to save face of all concerned.

Is saving face even possible now for either Russia or America, or whatever side is the loser?

When in fact neither side is yet declared to be the loser?

DC has already lost
You're on Russias door step they ain't goin anywhere

 

[toomuchtime_]

They are still dependent and that's why there are so many Putinversteher and Russlandversteher.

More bullshit. They are not dependent and are determined to never again become dependent on Russia.

 

[toomuchtime_]

DC has already lost
You're on Russias door step they ain't goin anywhere

Actually, it is. Russia is dying from natural causes. Its population is shrinking, its economy is shrinking, it is isolated diplomatically from most of the world, cut off from most financial centers in the world and its operations in Ukraine has been condemned by nearly every international organization. It will remain on a steady path of decline for the foreseeable future, and will eventually collapse just as the USSR collapsed.

 

[Silver Cat]

Actually, it is. Russia is dying from natural causes. Its population is shrinking, its economy is shrinking, it is isolated diplomatically from most of the world, cut off from most financial centers in the world and its operations in Ukraine has been condemned by nearly every international organization. It will remain on a steady path of decline for the foreseeable future, and will eventually collapse just as the USSR collapsed.

Or, if even a half of your statements were close to reality, they would prefer to start a nuclear war against the USA.

 

[zaangalewa]

Belarus is a part of Russia (as Canada is a part of America),

What a bullshit. In this comparison is Belarus a part of Europe and you excluded Russia from Europe. Is everyone meanwhile an idiot - specially all Putin-Russians? Russia is using the senseless brutal violence of the not-any -longer-important tyrants of history. When will Russia ever learn? Never? But it is too late now not to learn. You are a nuclear power, Russian full-time superidiot! Either you will learn to be wise now immediatelly and will eliminate Putin and his criminal gangs or you will destroy Russia - and perhaps in a worst case scenario you will not only destroy Russia but the whole world.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Or, if even a half of your statements were close to reality, they would prefer to start a nuclear war against the USA.

Spoken like a true idiot. No sane person wants to start a nuclear war. You have to try to face the facts. Putin has led Russia down the wrong path, and it is unlikely Russia will be able to recover from his mistakes any time in the foreseeable future.

 

[zaangalewa]

And yes, any attack against Belarus will have for Poland and Germany the same consequences as the attack against the Russian Federation itself.

You problem is that we Germans have a psychopathological element comparable to the emotions of Vulcans. We are very nice people, but ... . And in a best case scenario of this worst case scenario I'm not sure whether you will understand what we did do when you will be dead.

 

[zaangalewa]

Those Germans who fought against the Russian tanks with or without weapons (during the long history of the "complicated" Russian-German relationships) - yes, they usual have been defeated.

This remembers me to the year 180x when 8,000 Austrians resisted against 100,000 French and their better weapons. Believe it or not: The Austrians lost. But Napoleon was wounded. Later he conquered Moscow. And some time later the island Elba.

 

[zaangalewa]

And don't tell me, that there were no Germans quite enthusiastic about cooperation with the Russians.

Hell, many of them still want to buy Russian gas and oil.

Soviet propaganda was always funny - you have not to demonstrate this. I remember in this context your war against the Chechs and Slovaks and their will to try to create a "socialism with a human face." This human face of the Soviets in 1968 had been their Berlin 1953 face: tanks and guns.

 

[zaangalewa]

... Hell, many of them still want to buy Russian gas and oil.

No. This time is over and will never come back. We had been extraordinary patient and gave Russia all possibilities to live in peace. But you started a totally brutal, senseless and extremely criminal war against Europe in the Ukraine.

 

[Litwin]

problems

 

[Litwin]

Russians (and their Chinese friends)

in your wet dreams, ivam. ps are you ready to give back the stolen China´s lands ?

 

[Ringo]

 

[BackAgain]

Yes, but there are three big problems.
First - those stores are pretty deep and well protected, they suppose to survive a nuclear attack.

They aren’t stores. And it’s the fact that they are deep and secured that leads to the use of j-dams.

Second - an attack against Russian nuclear forces (and de jure those are Russian nukes) is the thing that definitely will cause all-out Russian nuclear response.

Nope. You put nukes in Cuba and see what happens.

So, we need to destroy all (or almost all) Russian nukes (not only in Belarus, but in Russian Federation itself) by the first counter-force strike and to defend our own population from the possible Russian retaliation.

An unsupported and rather bizzaro claim.

Third, the nuclear exchange between Russia and the USA will drastically change the world's political balance, and we need not just "win" the war against Russia, not just pay for this "acceptable" price (say, less than 20% of our population), but to be ready to fight and win for the leadership in the postwar world.

You’re the one talking about an exchange of nukes. Not me.

 

[Silver Cat]

What a bullshit. In this comparison is Belarus a part of Europe and you excluded Russia from Europe.

Culturally and linguistically, White Russia (Belarus) is definitely a part of Russia, while it is not a part of the Russian Federation, yet. Geographically, more than half of Europe is Russia, and less than half of Europe is the European Union.

Is everyone meanwhile an idiot - specially all Putin-Russians? Russia is using the senseless brutal violence of the not-any -longer-important tyrants of history.

From their point of view, they use force for self-defense. They don't want to be discriminated, abused and genocided. And I support them.

When will Russia ever learn? Never? But it is too late now not to learn. You are a nuclear power, Russian full-time superidiot! Either you will learn to be wise now immediatelly and will eliminate Putin and his criminal gangs or you will destroy Russia - and perhaps in a worst case scenario you will not only destroy Russia but the whole world.

As they say - "We don't need the world without Russia".

 

[Silver Cat]

Spoken like a true idiot. No sane person wants to start a nuclear war.

It depends on your definition of the terms "start" and "nuclear war". From the Russian point of view, it was NATO-backed Ukraine, who attacked Russian allies - DPR and LPR. Second, de jure they don't have a term 'nuclear war' in their military doctrine. They have the terms 'local war' (which is fighted on the territory of one or few states), 'regional war' which is fought by the countries of one region (for example - Europe), in which they use both non-nuclear and nuclear weapon, and 'large scale war', fought by countries from more than one region (for example from Europe, Asia, North America), in which they are going to use literally everything.

So, when they decide that European facilitation is, in fact, participation, they will declare regional war and attack their enemies (first of all - nuclear weapon of the UK and France) with their nuclear weapons.
And if there is a choice between conventional defeat and nuclear victory - they definitely will choose latter.
Anyway, there is a plenty of pretty sane persons in Russia who think, that they can use a nuclear war for achieving their political goals ("Let's transform the World War into World Revolution! ")

You have to try to face the facts. Putin has led Russia down the wrong path, and it is unlikely Russia will be able to recover from his mistakes any time in the foreseeable future.

They can win this Ukrainian conflict, and I'm sure that Russia and the USA can find the mutually acceptable solution for this European security crisis.

 

[Silver Cat]

They aren’t stores. And it’s the fact that they are deep and secured that leads to the use of j-dams.

JDAMs can't damage those underground storages. And, highly unlikely they could even hit the target in the GPS-degraded environment.

Nope. You put nukes in Cuba and see what happens.

Ukraine is "Russian Cuba" . Zelenskiy started those talks about nuclear weapons and the Russians attacked. Actually, Ukraine and Belarus are more important for Russia, than Cuba was for the USA. But there is one difference between those scenarios. It was possible to make a treaty back in 1962, and now both sides don't trust each other.

An unsupported and rather bizzaro claim.

Attack against the Russian nuclear forces is the thing that will definitely cause Russian immediate nuclear response.

You’re the one talking about an exchange of nukes. Not me.

You are talking about attack against Russian nuclear forces.