Next time you hear someone criticizing socialism...

[dblack]

Corporations and socialism aren't essentially the same thing. Except that under socialism, there's only one corporation. And that corporation controls the laws and the police. Better not piss them off.

I said I DO NOT support Communism.

I support a Socialist hybrid system, something like Fascism.

I understand that. Socialism usually devolves to fascism. Most socialists won't acknowledge this. At least you're honest about it.

You Individualists sure are desperate, dumb & one track minded.

And savage. You forgot savage.

Let's frame the Authoritarian Right / Fascism in an argument.

Obviously Hitler killed many, still British Capitalists & Soviets killed more.

Besides, Hitler was an ethnic German, they killed a bunch in WW1, 30 Year War, the Northern Crusades.

What about other Authoritarian Right / Fascists like Horthy, Jozef Beck, Metaxas, Jozef Pilsudski, Franco , Peron, etc?

Maybe Hitler's atrocities were more GERMAN, than as Fascist.

LOL - so, Hitler gave fascism a bad name. Keep digging.

What every mass murdering scenario looks like is basically repeated over & over again,
Big Military, Military supremacy, Subservience of leadership, and Multiculturalism.

Socialism isn't much, if at all the issue.

Russia's killing a lot now as a Capitalist country.

Germany's still rather Socialist, but they're not killing today, because they don't have big Military, or Military supremacy anymore.

Russia still does have big military / military supremacy.

I think I'm actually agreeing with you in this thread. Socialism and fascism is a natural pairing.

 

[the other mike]

How many tents could this buy for our thousands of *homeless military veterans?


*
Just over 9% of all adults experiencing homelessness in the United States are Veterans of the U.S. military. That means that on any given day, an estimated 40,056 Veterans experience homelessness in the United States of America.

Out of sight out of mind

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They all had war time economies.......that were built on sand........and Japan after WW2 was lifted out of economic ruin by the United States......

Socialism is a cancer that kills a country

Wrong, Capitalism is a cancer that kills a country.

I outlined this below.

Our issues from Capitalism, NOT Communism.

You are posting from an electronic device created and improved by capitalism.......socialism leads at best to reduced quality of life, and at it's worst, mass graves in the millions.....

Mass Immigration is Capitalism.
Hollywood, Facebook, MSNBC, CNN is Capitalism.

Capitalism is ruining America.

Socialism is the ONLY answer.

Even if Communism is a,sl NOT an answer.

Socialism is Communism Lite

Socialism has the #1 track record of economic growth champions.

Socialism has the #1 track record of economic growth champions.

That's why East Germany's best car was the Trabant.

 

[The Purge]

How did socialism kill 100 million people ...
https://www.reddit.com/.../comments/6gd3oe/how_did_socialism_kill_100_million_people
How did socialism kill 100 million people? ... That sounds a lot less like "Socialism killed 100 million people" and a lot more like "Deliberate and specific policies enacted by small ruling classes directed by oppressive dictators killed...
Socialism & Mass Murder in the 20th Century - Rick Kelo ...
https://rickkelo.liberty.me/socialism-mass-murder
Socialism & Mass Murder in the 20th Century By Rick Kelo. Without equal, the worst evils mankind has ever had to endure have all been inflicted by big governments. This is an examination of the major democides in the 20th century. It is a list of...
Socialism Kills People - The Christian Post
Socialism Kills People
Recently, at D. James Kennedy Ministries, we presented a television special called, "The Problem of Socialism." Some of the man-on-the-street comments in the program were typical of the feelings of millions of young people today: 1....
A Serial Killer Called "Socialism" | Mises Institute
A Serial Killer Called "Socialism" | Rafael Acevedo
Socialism has killed more than 100 million people worldwide. Socialism came to Venezuela 60 years ago and has proven to be the worst form of government under which to improve the quality of life. Ludwig von Mises once said that every socialist is a...
Socialism's death count - WND
https://www.wnd.com/2012/08/socialisms-death-count
In Europe, especially in Germany, hoisting a swastika-emblazoned Nazi flag is a crime. For decades after World War II, people have hunted down and sought punishment for Nazi murderers, who were

 

[westwall]

Ask them how well capitalism was doing in 1929.
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To the extent that capitalism’s problems – inequality, instability (cycles/crises), etc. – stem in part from its production relationships, reforms focused exclusively on regulating or supplanting markets will not succeed in solving them. For example, Keynesian monetary policies (focused on raising or lowering the quantity of money in circulation and, correspondingly, interest rates) do not touch the employer-employee relationship, however much their variations redistribute wealth, regulate markets, or displace markets in favor of state-administered investment decisions. Likewise, Keynesian fiscal policies (raising or lowering taxes and government spending) do not address the employer-employee relationship.

Keynesian policies also never ended the cyclical instability of capitalism. The New Deal and European social democracy left capitalism in place in both state and private units (enterprises) of production notwithstanding their massive reform agendas and programs. They thereby left capitalist employers facing the incentives and receiving the resources (profits) to evade, weaken and eventually dissolve most of those programs.

It is far better not to distribute wealth unequally in the first place than to re-distribute it after to undo the inequality. For example, FDR proposed in 1944 that the government establish a maximum income alongside a minimum wage; that is one among the various ways inequality could be limited and thereby redistribution avoided. Efforts to redistribute encounter evasions, oppositions, and failures that compound the effects of unequal distribution itself. Social peace and cohesion are the victims of redistribution sooner or later. Reforming markets while leaving the relations/organization of capitalist production unchanged is like redistribution. Just as redistribution schemes fail to solve the problems rooted in distribution, market-focused reforms fail to solve the problems rooted in production.

Since 2008, capitalism has showed us all yet again its deep and unsolved problems of cyclical instability, deepening inequality and the injustices they both entail. Their persistence mirrors that of the capitalist organization of production. To successfully confront and solve the problems of economic cycles, income and wealth inequality, and so on, we need to go beyond the capitalist employer-employee system of production. The democratization of enterprises – transitioning from employer-employee hierarchies to worker cooperatives – is a key way available here and now to realize the change we need.

Worker coops democratically decide the distribution of income (wages, bonuses, benefits, profit shares, etc.) among their members. No small group of owners and the boards of directors they choose would, as in capitalist corporations, make such decisions. Thus, for example, it would be far less likely that a few individuals in a worker coop would earn millions while most others could not afford to send children to college. A democratic worker coop decision on the distribution of enterprise income would be far less unequal than what typifies capitalist enterprises. A socialism for the 21st century could and should include the transition from a capitalist to a worker-coop-based economic system as central to its commitments to less inequality and less social conflict over redistribution.

Capitalism Is Not the “Market System”



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Capitalism, well the crony capitalism that happened here, resulted in bankruptcy and soup lines.

Under socialist Russia, it resulted in millions of dead people.

Score one for capitalism. Even perverted capitalism.

 

[the other mike]

Mondragon, Spain's largest cooperative has weathered the financial crisis in the midst of economic uncertainty.

 

[westwall]

Mondragon, Spain's largest cooperative has weathered the financial crisis in the midst of economic uncertainty.

Yeah, one and yet millions of capitalist companies survived as well.

Your arguments should be against crony capitalism. That is bad. Capitalism is not.

 

[basquebromance]

Socialism is growing in America because . . .The people are waking up as the disparity of wealth grows. As technology changes the ways in which we communicate with one another and stay connected, the collective consciousness of humanity grows more aware of our common struggle.

 

[the other mike]

Mondragon, Spain's largest cooperative has weathered the financial crisis in the midst of economic uncertainty.

Yeah, one and yet millions of capitalist companies survived as well.

Your arguments should be against crony capitalism. That is bad. Capitalism is not.

Now you're saying I'm right....just blaming the wrong folks.
The same debate that's been going on since the fur trading days.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

When Capitalism causes 1/10,000 the number of deaths and human tragedies that Socialism has....then we'll talk.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Socialism is growing in America because . . .The people are waking up as the disparity of wealth grows. As technology changes the ways in which we communicate with one another and stay connected, the collective consciousness of humanity grows more aware of our common struggle.

Nah....the REAL reason is because intelligence is on the decline. Simple.

 

[the other mike]

Nah....the REAL reason is because intelligence is on the decline. Simple.

Now there's a good point, actually.
(never mind the title - he doesn't rag on Trump much )

 

[basquebromance]

What if we actually pulled off a Green New Deal? What would the future look like?

 

[the other mike]

What if we actually pulled off a Green New Deal? What would the future look like?

First they hijacked that from Jill Stein and the Green Party.
But , basically the GND is a blueprint ( subject to change) for a general shift toward renewables....it won't be a big carbon tax or ending air flight as we know it,.

There's one bright side - now we can just imitate China's examples .
Ironic isn't it ? They used to steal our ideas, but we got stupider as they got smarter.

What you get when your government doesn't sell out to the military industrial complex.

 

[Paulie]

Ask them how well capitalism was doing in 1929.
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To the extent that capitalism’s problems – inequality, instability (cycles/crises), etc. – stem in part from its production relationships, reforms focused exclusively on regulating or supplanting markets will not succeed in solving them. For example, Keynesian monetary policies (focused on raising or lowering the quantity of money in circulation and, correspondingly, interest rates) do not touch the employer-employee relationship, however much their variations redistribute wealth, regulate markets, or displace markets in favor of state-administered investment decisions. Likewise, Keynesian fiscal policies (raising or lowering taxes and government spending) do not address the employer-employee relationship.

Keynesian policies also never ended the cyclical instability of capitalism. The New Deal and European social democracy left capitalism in place in both state and private units (enterprises) of production notwithstanding their massive reform agendas and programs. They thereby left capitalist employers facing the incentives and receiving the resources (profits) to evade, weaken and eventually dissolve most of those programs.

It is far better not to distribute wealth unequally in the first place than to re-distribute it after to undo the inequality. For example, FDR proposed in 1944 that the government establish a maximum income alongside a minimum wage; that is one among the various ways inequality could be limited and thereby redistribution avoided. Efforts to redistribute encounter evasions, oppositions, and failures that compound the effects of unequal distribution itself. Social peace and cohesion are the victims of redistribution sooner or later. Reforming markets while leaving the relations/organization of capitalist production unchanged is like redistribution. Just as redistribution schemes fail to solve the problems rooted in distribution, market-focused reforms fail to solve the problems rooted in production.

Since 2008, capitalism has showed us all yet again its deep and unsolved problems of cyclical instability, deepening inequality and the injustices they both entail. Their persistence mirrors that of the capitalist organization of production. To successfully confront and solve the problems of economic cycles, income and wealth inequality, and so on, we need to go beyond the capitalist employer-employee system of production. The democratization of enterprises – transitioning from employer-employee hierarchies to worker cooperatives – is a key way available here and now to realize the change we need.

Worker coops democratically decide the distribution of income (wages, bonuses, benefits, profit shares, etc.) among their members. No small group of owners and the boards of directors they choose would, as in capitalist corporations, make such decisions. Thus, for example, it would be far less likely that a few individuals in a worker coop would earn millions while most others could not afford to send children to college. A democratic worker coop decision on the distribution of enterprise income would be far less unequal than what typifies capitalist enterprises. A socialism for the 21st century could and should include the transition from a capitalist to a worker-coop-based economic system as central to its commitments to less inequality and less social conflict over redistribution.

Capitalism Is Not the “Market System”



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Capitalism, well the crony capitalism that happened here, resulted in bankruptcy and soup lines.

Under socialist Russia, it resulted in millions of dead people.

Score one for capitalism. Even perverted capitalism.

That’s changing though. We’re witnessing first hand right now what fair capitalism can do for an economy.

 

[basquebromance]

What if we actually pulled off a Green New Deal? What would the future look like?

First they hijacked that from Jill Stein and the Green Party.
But , basically the GND is a blueprint ( subject to change) for a general shift toward renewables....it won't be a big carbon tax or ending air flight as we know it,.

There's one bright side - now we can just imitate China's examples .
Ironic isn't it ? They used to steal our ideas, but we got stupider as they got smarter.

What you get when your government doesn't sell out to the military industrial complex.

all kindsa folks borrow good ideas from other folks!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What if we actually pulled off a Green New Deal? What would the future look like?

Poorer.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What if we actually pulled off a Green New Deal? What would the future look like?

First they hijacked that from Jill Stein and the Green Party.
But , basically the GND is a blueprint ( subject to change) for a general shift toward renewables....it won't be a big carbon tax or ending air flight as we know it,.

There's one bright side - now we can just imitate China's examples .
Ironic isn't it ? They used to steal our ideas, but we got stupider as they got smarter.

What you get when your government doesn't sell out to the military industrial complex.

But , basically the GND is a blueprint ( subject to change) for a general shift toward renewables....it won't be a big carbon tax

A shift? Voluntary? No force?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What if we actually pulled off a Green New Deal? What would the future look like?

First they hijacked that from Jill Stein and the Green Party.
But , basically the GND is a blueprint ( subject to change) for a general shift toward renewables....it won't be a big carbon tax or ending air flight as we know it,.

There's one bright side - now we can just imitate China's examples .
Ironic isn't it ? They used to steal our ideas, but we got stupider as they got smarter.

What you get when your government doesn't sell out to the military industrial complex.

all kindsa folks borrow good ideas from other folks!

And in the case of the left, bad ideas.

 

[jc456]

Ask them how well capitalism was doing in 1929.
View attachment 245504 View attachment 245506 View attachment 245505

To the extent that capitalism’s problems – inequality, instability (cycles/crises), etc. – stem in part from its production relationships, reforms focused exclusively on regulating or supplanting markets will not succeed in solving them. For example, Keynesian monetary policies (focused on raising or lowering the quantity of money in circulation and, correspondingly, interest rates) do not touch the employer-employee relationship, however much their variations redistribute wealth, regulate markets, or displace markets in favor of state-administered investment decisions. Likewise, Keynesian fiscal policies (raising or lowering taxes and government spending) do not address the employer-employee relationship.

Keynesian policies also never ended the cyclical instability of capitalism. The New Deal and European social democracy left capitalism in place in both state and private units (enterprises) of production notwithstanding their massive reform agendas and programs. They thereby left capitalist employers facing the incentives and receiving the resources (profits) to evade, weaken and eventually dissolve most of those programs.

It is far better not to distribute wealth unequally in the first place than to re-distribute it after to undo the inequality. For example, FDR proposed in 1944 that the government establish a maximum income alongside a minimum wage; that is one among the various ways inequality could be limited and thereby redistribution avoided. Efforts to redistribute encounter evasions, oppositions, and failures that compound the effects of unequal distribution itself. Social peace and cohesion are the victims of redistribution sooner or later. Reforming markets while leaving the relations/organization of capitalist production unchanged is like redistribution. Just as redistribution schemes fail to solve the problems rooted in distribution, market-focused reforms fail to solve the problems rooted in production.

Since 2008, capitalism has showed us all yet again its deep and unsolved problems of cyclical instability, deepening inequality and the injustices they both entail. Their persistence mirrors that of the capitalist organization of production. To successfully confront and solve the problems of economic cycles, income and wealth inequality, and so on, we need to go beyond the capitalist employer-employee system of production. The democratization of enterprises – transitioning from employer-employee hierarchies to worker cooperatives – is a key way available here and now to realize the change we need.

Worker coops democratically decide the distribution of income (wages, bonuses, benefits, profit shares, etc.) among their members. No small group of owners and the boards of directors they choose would, as in capitalist corporations, make such decisions. Thus, for example, it would be far less likely that a few individuals in a worker coop would earn millions while most others could not afford to send children to college. A democratic worker coop decision on the distribution of enterprise income would be far less unequal than what typifies capitalist enterprises. A socialism for the 21st century could and should include the transition from a capitalist to a worker-coop-based economic system as central to its commitments to less inequality and less social conflict over redistribution.

Capitalism Is Not the “Market System”

What happened, is that we allowed Socialism, and Centralization of Banking.

The IRS, and the Newly Created Federal Reserve took control of our Economy and intentionally caused The Great Depression so they could confiscate The Wealth of America and destroy Private Banks, so your bullshit post, actually illustrates the danger of Socialism and the danger of a Centralized Government and Centralized Control of an economy.

Overnight we went from a Cash Hard Asset Economy to a Debt Credit Economy with the Debt being owed to The Federal Reserve and their Thugs, The IRS.

But all Socialists are Idiots, and not really all that useful, so no surprise you got this wrong.

Take Stalin's Dirty underwear out of your mouth.

BTW, the reason JFK was assassinated was because he wanted to give control of our money supply back to a Constitutional Entity called The Treasury, and remove it from an Unconstitutional Organization called The Federal Reserve.

Federal Reserve Notes are Private Bank Notes and Instruments of Debt. Every time you use one, you are taking out a loan from The Federal Reserve payable in Future Tax Dollars. The Federal Reserve charges The American People Interest for using their Bank Notes.

We should abolish The Federal Reserve.

Only Treasury Notes, Gold, and Silver are Constitutional Currency.

No one allowed anything, it was all forced on us! Like obammy care. Fk every politician