Gatekeeper
Senior Member
I wish Barney Fife was still alive, we could have nominated him, at least there would be an improvement to look forward to.
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Cheney/Barbour 2012
Dumber/Dumberer 2012....
Dumber/Dumberer 2012....
We already know Obama and Biden will run for reelection.
It's the Republicans we don't know about.
Dumber/Dumberer 2012....
We already know Obama and Biden will run for reelection.
It's the Republicans we don't know about.
Actually, anyone who knows anything about Americans politics knows the Republicans won't be running for reelection in 2012.
We already know Obama and Biden will run for reelection.
It's the Republicans we don't know about.
Actually, anyone who knows anything about Americans politics knows the Republicans won't be running for reelection in 2012.
duh!
so who have they got? i have only seen newt gingrich and rick perry being suggested as candidates. neither one is likely to get any support from me.
Bush is who the republican party is now.
Its the same level of people being put forward by the right.
Do you really think Palin is better than Bush?
Day after day reading these threads, I'm constantly seeing critiques of our president met with "But what about Bush" or "Where were you for 8 years under Bush". Then, when someone on the right or a Tea Party supporter suggests we vote in someone more fiscally responsible, more competent, or just simply more transparent than our current politicians, we are met with "Oh you mean like Bush/Cheney/Haliburton/Evil Empire I hate 'em so much".
Seeing our liberal friends obviously have little knowledge of federal laws (see immigration debate, Sestak job offer, etc), I thought maybe I should just fill them in.
To all the lefties: George W. Bush cannot run for president in 2012. He's not allowed to by law. Presidents are limited to 2 terms. FDR's socialist/borderline communist actions scared Americans so much, that afterwards they passed the law limiting 2 terms to avoid dictatorship should someone like him come along again (Which it has, under Obama).
So, from now on, when we say we want someone better, we aren't talking about Bush. We are talking about someone better than Bush, and FAR better than Obama. Mmmkay?
When we say we want fiscal responsibility, a secure border, smart diplomacy with aggressive terrorists or terror sponsoring nations, common sense entitlement programs...........we are talking about someone better than Bush, and FAR better than Obama to bring that. Mmmkay?
So, just to review:
1. George W. Bush cannot run in 2012.
2. We all want someone better than Bush.
3. We want someone far far better than Obama (you obviously do not).
So, back to the debate guys. I hope I cleared up that issue for the left. Bush is gone. And he can't run again. We aren't talking about electing Bush again. And no, not even "Bush's failed policies of the past 8 years!!!". No, we want better than that. We want someone extremely better than Obama. Maybe you will too.
OK
Fair enough. We will only look forward then. So we are no longer talking about Bush/Cheney but the Republican Party as a whole. Is there anything in the recent record of the GOP showing that they will be spending responsibly?
Does their 8 years from 2001-2009 not count at all in determining their future fiscal responsibility?
Its great to see you want someone far, far better than Obama. If thats the case, I will vote for him too. But we are a little over two years away from the election, would you be able to identify who that person might be or whose candidacy you would support?
Damned right, Clinton did it. A job market so good, that they took off the penalties for working to get more workers into the market. The longest sustained economic boom in the history of this nation. A semi-balanced budget.
Do you really want to compare a very successful Presidentcy with the two terms of Bush? Because, if you do, let's put it on National TV.
Damned right, Clinton did it. A job market so good, that they took off the penalties for working to get more workers into the market. The longest sustained economic boom in the history of this nation. A semi-balanced budget.
Do you really want to compare a very successful Presidentcy with the two terms of Bush? Because, if you do, let's put it on National TV.
Yeah. The last four years is when he accomplished everything.
The last four years with a Rep Congress. He couldn't do shit with the Dems who were in power when he took the presidency.
He and that Rep Congress did do a lot.
Barry Boy and the Dems are now in the process of rolling back Welfare reform. Just what we need. More people for the taxpayers to support.
An well. He does want us to be like Europe doncha know.
Got proof? What SPECIFICALLY did the Republican controlled Congress do to help Clinton "accomplish everything"?
Dumber/Dumberer 2012....
We already know Obama and Biden will run for reelection.
It's the Republicans we don't know about.
Actually, anyone who knows anything about Americans politics knows the Republicans won't be running for reelection in 2012.
Day after day reading these threads, I'm constantly seeing critiques of our president met with "But what about Bush" or "Where were you for 8 years under Bush". Then, when someone on the right or a Tea Party supporter suggests we vote in someone more fiscally responsible, more competent, or just simply more transparent than our current politicians, we are met with "Oh you mean like Bush/Cheney/Haliburton/Evil Empire I hate 'em so much".
Seeing our liberal friends obviously have little knowledge of federal laws (see immigration debate, Sestak job offer, etc), I thought maybe I should just fill them in.
To all the lefties: George W. Bush cannot run for president in 2012. He's not allowed to by law. Presidents are limited to 2 terms. FDR's socialist/borderline communist actions scared Americans so much, that afterwards they passed the law limiting 2 terms to avoid dictatorship should someone like him come along again (Which it has, under Obama).
So, from now on, when we say we want someone better, we aren't talking about Bush. We are talking about someone better than Bush, and FAR better than Obama. Mmmkay?
When we say we want fiscal responsibility, a secure border, smart diplomacy with aggressive terrorists or terror sponsoring nations, common sense entitlement programs...........we are talking about someone better than Bush, and FAR better than Obama to bring that. Mmmkay?
So, just to review:
1. George W. Bush cannot run in 2012.
2. We all want someone better than Bush.
3. We want someone far far better than Obama (you obviously do not).
So, back to the debate guys. I hope I cleared up that issue for the left. Bush is gone. And he can't run again. We aren't talking about electing Bush again. And no, not even "Bush's failed policies of the past 8 years!!!". No, we want better than that. We want someone extremely better than Obama. Maybe you will too.
OK
Fair enough. We will only look forward then. So we are no longer talking about Bush/Cheney but the Republican Party as a whole. Is there anything in the recent record of the GOP showing that they will be spending responsibly?
Does their 8 years from 2001-2009 not count at all in determining their future fiscal responsibility?
Its great to see you want someone far, far better than Obama. If thats the case, I will vote for him too. But we are a little over two years away from the election, would you be able to identify who that person might be or whose candidacy you would support?
I wanted Romney than and still do. In an economic mess, you elect an economics expert, which he is. He would need a military type VP. Romney/Powell would be an amazing ticket in my opinion.
Lately? Well, the GOP opposed the massive healthcare spending bill. Political move? Probably, but they made it. Lately they've done nothing more than call for less spending, which is all I'd hope for right now. We are in an awfully bad situation and spending must slow down.
The GOP's 01-09 spending is noted, although the left had the Congress from 06-09, right? And, noting the GOP's past, Bill Clinton had a GOP Congress for his entire term, and together they did a pretty good job economically. Clinton was a politician first, progressive second. Obama is the opposite, and thats the problem.
So, who would I support? Romney/Powell would be my dream ticket honestly.If Palin were to run, the absolute rabid nature of the left wing media would take our country into an area of disgust that I really would rather just avoid that altogether.
Romney is a mormon, and that supposedly is his political weak spot, but it doesn't matter to me. And yes, he passed universal healthcare in Mass and it has been a failure. Thus, when his opponents come after him for that, he runs on the "I've learned from the mistake" platform, which is a strong contrast to Obama's percieved arrogance. In my opinion, that would be a brilliant move by Romney to use the failed Mass healthcare plan as a way to come across as modest and willing to listen and learn from the citizens.
OK
Fair enough. We will only look forward then. So we are no longer talking about Bush/Cheney but the Republican Party as a whole. Is there anything in the recent record of the GOP showing that they will be spending responsibly?
Does their 8 years from 2001-2009 not count at all in determining their future fiscal responsibility?
Its great to see you want someone far, far better than Obama. If thats the case, I will vote for him too. But we are a little over two years away from the election, would you be able to identify who that person might be or whose candidacy you would support?
I wanted Romney than and still do. In an economic mess, you elect an economics expert, which he is. He would need a military type VP. Romney/Powell would be an amazing ticket in my opinion.
Lately? Well, the GOP opposed the massive healthcare spending bill. Political move? Probably, but they made it. Lately they've done nothing more than call for less spending, which is all I'd hope for right now. We are in an awfully bad situation and spending must slow down.
The GOP's 01-09 spending is noted, although the left had the Congress from 06-09, right? And, noting the GOP's past, Bill Clinton had a GOP Congress for his entire term, and together they did a pretty good job economically. Clinton was a politician first, progressive second. Obama is the opposite, and thats the problem.
So, who would I support? Romney/Powell would be my dream ticket honestly.If Palin were to run, the absolute rabid nature of the left wing media would take our country into an area of disgust that I really would rather just avoid that altogether.
Romney is a mormon, and that supposedly is his political weak spot, but it doesn't matter to me. And yes, he passed universal healthcare in Mass and it has been a failure. Thus, when his opponents come after him for that, he runs on the "I've learned from the mistake" platform, which is a strong contrast to Obama's percieved arrogance. In my opinion, that would be a brilliant move by Romney to use the failed Mass healthcare plan as a way to come across as modest and willing to listen and learn from the citizens.
I have always liked Romney and Powell is a respected hero. I think America would accept them over any other Republican ticket.
The only problem is that the Republicans won't accept them as their standard bearer. Romney is a mormon, healthcare passing, easterner while Powell supported Obama in the last election.
I can't get excited over any other Republicans out there. Scott Brown has potential for 2016 and bears watching
Romney/Powell could run a centrist, cost containing, fiscally conservative platform that would cross boundaries. Powell appeals to both parties but pissed off the GOP purists
I don't know if the Tea Party will exist in 2012 or will self destruct in 2010. If the GOP rightwing conservative power play fails in 2010....a Romney/Powell could win in 2012
it cracks me up the obsession the left has over sarah palin...you guys act like she is the only person who speaks for the right, as if it is a forgone conclusion she wins the primary...
i lean towards the right and i do not support her...at this time during bush's last term, barely anyone thought obama had a remote chance
stop being party hacks for once