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Stop voting for Democrats and you'll be doing your part to end this nonsense.Why are you upset?Joe certainly is a touchy-feely kind guy. Too many pictures of him doing just what was described for him to deny it.
I'd be interested in your best evidence of Christianity being discriminated against in favour of Islam in NZ.Note the double standard.
Islam is observed nation wide, and that is fine.
Meanwhile any reference to Christianity is considered discrimination against everyone else.
Removing Jesus from the parliamentary prayer doesn't count because it hasn't been replaced with any Islamic reference.
Whys all of a sudden is Jesus offensive in NZ?
Liberals. They always find Christianity offensive. But now they have an excuse for their bigotry.
Where are Christians being offended against in NZ?
It bothers me to see Western Civilization declining in front of me. That is why I am upset.
The double standard and discrimination demonstrated in the OP, is an offense against Christians in NZ.
NAW , Though i'd approve if it was true [feck them 'new zealanders' ] . Anyway , funny post and Thanks for it this April 1st 2019 .Those people are getting more bat shit crazy by the day.
No more pork to kiss the ass of the filthy Muslims.
Wellington NZ - Sources inside the NZ House of Parliament are reporting the overnight passage of a bill which will prohibit the production and consumption of pork and pork products across the nation.
Reports are circulating that PM Jacinda Ardern felt a compelling need to demonstrate the nation's solidarity with its Islamic population after the tragic events of last month.
"Our country must remove all impediments to continuing the peaceful and caring atmosphere of our Islamic population", Ardern is quoted as saying, "We need to cease any and all practices in the nation which might offend and must insure those beautiful, peaceful people aren't offended by our actions -such as the continued consumption of pork."
The legislation mandates the 'immediate cessation of the raising of pork for market' and will impose stiff fines and could result in prison time for violators.
After April 15th anyone found in possession of pork products could be sentenced to up to 37 years in prison, and repeat offenders could receive the death penalty.
President of the New Zealand Labour Party, Nigel Haworth is reported to be trying to determine the feasibility of a quick and complete conversion of NZ law to Sharia Law. "We need to support the Islamic Community and changing the basis of the NZ Constitution to Sharia Law will accomplish our goal", Haworth said in a statement Saturday.
NZ Police are posting a report form on their website by which people can turn in their pork and avoid the fines and prison time.
Why the U.S. and New Zealand's responses to mass shootings are so different
It's not my argument so I really don't care what you think of it. Jesus is mentioned specifically for historical and cultural reasons and is a non specific mention of God there merely to cover all bases? I didn't write the convocation. I don't know.Ah, I see. And your argument is that this is why it should also mention one, specifically. That's a pretty crappy argument, by any standard.
Who wanted your opinion? Not me. I didn't ask for it, I wasn't waiting for it.You wanted my opinion, you got it. Expressing my opinion in a discussion gives me no power over anyone in new Zealand. I could say the same, idiotic, sissy thing to you, every time you express your opinion. Grow up.
Too bad he doesn't have the ability to exercise his authority with more restraint and discretion. His unilateral action blindsided nearly half the citizens of New Zealand but authoritarian leftists really don't concern themselves with things like that.From a Parliamentary prayer by the Speaker of the Parliament, who has the Authority to do so.
I heard all men are now required to wear beards, women to wear tents, and the official language is now Arabic.Those people are getting more bat shit crazy by the day.
No more pork to kiss the ass of the filthy Muslims.
Wellington NZ - Sources inside the NZ House of Parliament are reporting the overnight passage of a bill which will prohibit the production and consumption of pork and pork products across the nation.
Reports are circulating that PM Jacinda Ardern felt a compelling need to demonstrate the nation's solidarity with its Islamic population after the tragic events of last month.
"Our country must remove all impediments to continuing the peaceful and caring atmosphere of our Islamic population", Ardern is quoted as saying, "We need to cease any and all practices in the nation which might offend and must insure those beautiful, peaceful people aren't offended by our actions -such as the continued consumption of pork."
The legislation mandates the 'immediate cessation of the raising of pork for market' and will impose stiff fines and could result in prison time for violators.
After April 15th anyone found in possession of pork products could be sentenced to up to 37 years in prison, and repeat offenders could receive the death penalty.
President of the New Zealand Labour Party, Nigel Haworth is reported to be trying to determine the feasibility of a quick and complete conversion of NZ law to Sharia Law. "We need to support the Islamic Community and changing the basis of the NZ Constitution to Sharia Law will accomplish our goal", Haworth said in a statement Saturday.
NZ Police are posting a report form on their website by which people can turn in their pork and avoid the fines and prison time.
Why the U.S. and New Zealand's responses to mass shootings are so different
Try clicking through to the reference Guardian article.LIAR!!!However, I think the timing of this decision is badIn a country with vastly different religious beliefs like New Zealand, government should be neutral otherwise it invites accusations of religious discrimination and stirs up hatred. However, I think the timing of this decision is bad.Yup......it's started.
New Zealand Christians Outraged as Govt Removes All References to Jesus From Parliamentary Prayer
03-30-2019
Steve Warren
Just barely two weeks following the mosque shootings in Christchurch, New Zealand, the government has decided to remove all references to Jesus Christ from its parliamentary prayer.
The move by Speaker of the House Trevor Mallard has angered the country's Christian population. Mallard made the decision in order to drop references to Jesus in order to make the prayer "more inclusive" for all parliamentarians.
The Guardian reports a reference to "Almighty God" remains, but it is not a specific reference to a Christian God.
Earlier this week, around 1,000 people protested just outside of the parliament building in Wellington. The group wanted Jesus name reinstated in the prayer because Christianity is part of the nation's history.
Ross Smith, the organizer of the event, told Radio NZ the country has a Christian heritage that should not be erased.
"It's a legacy. The principals and the values that are in this nation are based on our Christian-Judea roots. Removing the name would destroy those roots," he said.
"He needs a good kick in his pants, and he needs to actually be removed because this is a Christian nation," protester Rieki Teutscher told Radio NZ. We don't share his atheism."
Another demonstrator, Carmel Morgan, said Mallard should have consulted with New Zealanders or announced a referendum before changing the prayer.
"This is a land of democracy, this is a land of freedom, you know, we want to be a first world country... he took that choice away from us."
Other New Zealand politicians also voiced their concern over the change made by the speaker without consulting the entire parliament.
Well, the decision as to what should be changed should be made by parliamentarians and not the speaker – that's our position, I don't mind telling you publicly," deputy prime minister Winston Peters told RadioNZ.
"If you're going to make a change let's have parliament decide – not one person," Peters added.
Mallard said he had consulted other politicians and the majority he spoke to were in favor of a secular prayer.
One week after a white supremacist gunman opened fire inside two mosques, killing 50 people, the entire country observed a Muslim call to prayer. The event was televised nationwide. New Zealand Christians Outraged as Govt Removes All References to Jesus From Parliamentary Prayer
What...October last year?
We're criticising the NZ government for not having the power of prescience now?
The article was dated on the 30th of March. This has nothing to do with October of last year.
Refer above...Liar.If October 2018 was bad timing...then what would have been good timing?--------------------------------- funny and PARTLY agree . Timing is bad for the lefty 'gov' but otherwise its good for 'new zealander' Christians to see that their lefty gov is their enemy with ill will and intent towards them Flopper .In a country with vastly different religious beliefs like New Zealand, government should be neutral otherwise it invites accusations of religious discrimination and stirs up hatred. However, I think the timing of this decision is bad.Yup......it's started.
New Zealand Christians Outraged as Govt Removes All References to Jesus From Parliamentary Prayer
03-30-2019
Steve Warren
Just barely two weeks following the mosque shootings in Christchurch, New Zealand, the government has decided to remove all references to Jesus Christ from its parliamentary prayer.
The move by Speaker of the House Trevor Mallard has angered the country's Christian population. Mallard made the decision in order to drop references to Jesus in order to make the prayer "more inclusive" for all parliamentarians.
The Guardian reports a reference to "Almighty God" remains, but it is not a specific reference to a Christian God.
Earlier this week, around 1,000 people protested just outside of the parliament building in Wellington. The group wanted Jesus name reinstated in the prayer because Christianity is part of the nation's history.
Ross Smith, the organizer of the event, told Radio NZ the country has a Christian heritage that should not be erased.
"It's a legacy. The principals and the values that are in this nation are based on our Christian-Judea roots. Removing the name would destroy those roots," he said.
"He needs a good kick in his pants, and he needs to actually be removed because this is a Christian nation," protester Rieki Teutscher told Radio NZ. We don't share his atheism."
Another demonstrator, Carmel Morgan, said Mallard should have consulted with New Zealanders or announced a referendum before changing the prayer.
"This is a land of democracy, this is a land of freedom, you know, we want to be a first world country... he took that choice away from us."
Other New Zealand politicians also voiced their concern over the change made by the speaker without consulting the entire parliament.
Well, the decision as to what should be changed should be made by parliamentarians and not the speaker – that's our position, I don't mind telling you publicly," deputy prime minister Winston Peters told RadioNZ.
"If you're going to make a change let's have parliament decide – not one person," Peters added.
Mallard said he had consulted other politicians and the majority he spoke to were in favor of a secular prayer.
One week after a white supremacist gunman opened fire inside two mosques, killing 50 people, the entire country observed a Muslim call to prayer. The event was televised nationwide. New Zealand Christians Outraged as Govt Removes All References to Jesus From Parliamentary Prayer
They waited for a five month gap until a mass shooting...that seems a pretty reasonable time-frame to me.
A much shorter and more accurate answer would have been "I don't have any", Dude.Not yet......that would be silly. They'll instead wait a few months....maybe a year. Then pretty soon they'll start instituting parts of Sharia Law.I'd be interested in your best evidence of Christianity being discriminated against in favour of Islam in NZ.Has the new prayer removed 'Jesus' and replaced it with 'Allah' or something?I believe you engage in misinformation (and lies, really) when you say "liberals slam christians"
Many liberals (the majority?) are christians, themselves. They just happen to be more LIBERAL christians. It would be more accurate and honest to say liberals slam CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS.
The thing is....
when you slam liberals who consider themselves CHRISTIANS you, yourself, are "slamming christians"......just not CONSERVATIVE christians.
You do understand that NOT ALL CHRISTIANS are fundies?
do you?
or not?
When I slam liberals for what they say or do, I am not slamming "christians" in that I am not slamming them for BEING christians.
When the New Zealand government purges Christianity from the public prayer, as it did, it is denying the heritage and faith of New Zealand Christians BECAUSE they are Christians.
if they were Muslims, their faith was and is, and will be publicly celebrated.
Different rules for different folks.
It is called religious discrimination.
Perhaps you're upset because the prayer no longer discriminates in favour of your faith.
Note the double standard.
Islam is observed nation wide, and that is fine.
Meanwhile any reference to Christianity is considered discrimination against everyone else.
Removing Jesus from the parliamentary prayer doesn't count because it hasn't been replaced with any Islamic reference.
Look Dude....we know you're ignorant.
Don't abuse the privilege.
The source article for the OP was written by the Guardian in October last year.Joe certainly is a touchy-feely kind guy. Too many pictures of him doing just what was described for him to deny it.
I'd be interested in your best evidence of Christianity being discriminated against in favour of Islam in NZ.Has the new prayer removed 'Jesus' and replaced it with 'Allah' or something?I believe you engage in misinformation (and lies, really) when you say "liberals slam christians"
Many liberals (the majority?) are christians, themselves. They just happen to be more LIBERAL christians. It would be more accurate and honest to say liberals slam CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS.
The thing is....
when you slam liberals who consider themselves CHRISTIANS you, yourself, are "slamming christians"......just not CONSERVATIVE christians.
You do understand that NOT ALL CHRISTIANS are fundies?
do you?
or not?
When I slam liberals for what they say or do, I am not slamming "christians" in that I am not slamming them for BEING christians.
When the New Zealand government purges Christianity from the public prayer, as it did, it is denying the heritage and faith of New Zealand Christians BECAUSE they are Christians.
if they were Muslims, their faith was and is, and will be publicly celebrated.
Different rules for different folks.
It is called religious discrimination.
Perhaps you're upset because the prayer no longer discriminates in favour of your faith.
Note the double standard.
Islam is observed nation wide, and that is fine.
Meanwhile any reference to Christianity is considered discrimination against everyone else.
Removing Jesus from the parliamentary prayer doesn't count because it hasn't been replaced with any Islamic reference.
As far as I know he isn't.Joe certainly is a touchy-feely kind guy. Too many pictures of him doing just what was described for him to deny it.
I'd be interested in your best evidence of Christianity being discriminated against in favour of Islam in NZ.Has the new prayer removed 'Jesus' and replaced it with 'Allah' or something?
Perhaps you're upset because the prayer no longer discriminates in favour of your faith.
Note the double standard.
Islam is observed nation wide, and that is fine.
Meanwhile any reference to Christianity is considered discrimination against everyone else.
Removing Jesus from the parliamentary prayer doesn't count because it hasn't been replaced with any Islamic reference.
Whys all of a sudden is Jesus offensive in NZ?
Why do you think otherwise?
Why would the NZ government choose to NOW remove his name, and bend over backwards to accommodate Muslims? Who or what group is behind promoting Islam over Christianity? This is a Globalist trend.
If Jesus wasn't offensive to the NZ government why bother to remove his name? Why make a big deal out of it?
I don't believe anyone has said that using Jesus' name is discriminating against anyone.I might be mistaken but I'm getting the distinct impression that you think the rights of Christians are being eroded.You realise that they still have that right...don't you?Still, the point is the Speaker has the authority to manage Parliament's proceedings and he has done so. I approve. Better would be if he removed all mention of god. God has no vote.
But Christians do. And they have the right to publicly celebrate their faith and heritage.
Why are you offended by that? Why do you oppose that?
Is the purging of any Christian references from the public prayer per the OP, a singular event, that will never be repeated or built upon?
Can you please identify where?
They can follow their faith openly and without impediment from the government.
They can wear t-shirts with a picture of Jesus in public, they can wear a cross around their necks, they can gather in buildings dedicated to the express worship of their chosen deity, they can perform ceremonies for noted social events such as weddings, births and deaths in the manner of their choosing...I'm not too sure where you think the oppression comes in.
When you have people pretending that any public mention of Jesus is "Discrimination" against non-Christians,
it is obvious that the goal is to discriminate against Christians,
AND that people who are so bigoted against Christians are probably already discriminating against them is what ever way they can get away with.
God is still in the parliamentary prayer.As far as I know he isn't.Joe certainly is a touchy-feely kind guy. Too many pictures of him doing just what was described for him to deny it.
I'd be interested in your best evidence of Christianity being discriminated against in favour of Islam in NZ.Has the new prayer removed 'Jesus' and replaced it with 'Allah' or something?
Perhaps you're upset because the prayer no longer discriminates in favour of your faith.
Note the double standard.
Islam is observed nation wide, and that is fine.
Meanwhile any reference to Christianity is considered discrimination against everyone else.
Removing Jesus from the parliamentary prayer doesn't count because it hasn't been replaced with any Islamic reference.
Whys all of a sudden is Jesus offensive in NZ?
Why do you think otherwise?
The behavior of the government in the op. THe words of the New Zealander lib in this thread.
