New UK Labor leader Jeremy Corbyn: 21st century socialism for Britain!

[Phoenall]

It is interesting that he claims he is not the bankers' man, yet his entire financial balance plan for all his proposals is just more debt.

Seems with the neocon influence worldwie, people have forgotten basic Keynsian economics, the same economics that pulled the USA out of the great recession of the 20's and 30's. In the simplest possible terms the government spends money to stimulate economic growth increasing production and creating more jobs and the resultant taxation revenues pay off any extra debt incurred. The current model gives the wealth to the rich in the hope they provide the necessary growth and create jobs, etc. THe fallacy with this model is that it doesn't factor in to the equation, the fact that the rich will keep the wealth and grow richer, while the poorer members of society go to the wall.

Nor does it factor in that the government has to have the money, or the collateral, in the first place. The last neo marxist government put paid to that when it sold the Gold reserves leaving the UK penniless. Then they tried to stimulate the economy by opening the doors to uncontrolled migration and allowed in those unable to work and fill the coffers for them. So instead of showing a surplus it showed a steady deficit and still the unemployable streamed in to the country. We are now starting to run over the sides as we are full and all you can do is blame the current government for your neo marxist cock ups

On which planet would Blairs government be marxists ?

That would probably be planet Phoney? You know he makes things up don't you and tries to move the goalposts? The reality from Tax research UK
"Labour invariably borrows less than the Conservatives. The data always shows that.
"Labour has always repaid debt more often than the Conservatives, and has always repaid more debt, on average." The Conservatives have been the biggest borrowers over the last 70 years

Go Phoney!

A blog is the best you can do, and you expect to be taken seriously. Was it one of your fellow neo marxists that posted the details by any chance ?

 

[Phoenall]

Why didn't he talk about Brexit?

The most important referendum the British have made.

It looks like a decent programme to rebuild our shattered economy.
I would like to see them go further in rolling back the privatisation of the NHS, abolishing the wretched academy schools and increasing pensions.

And even further than that in kicking out wales so that he will have even more money to waste. His policies are a passport to disaster that will result in loss of Jobs and tax revenues as the wealthy leave for new pastures, closure of hospitals, black outs, riots, closures and a bankrupt country all so you can have a pension with no actual spending power. What good is a pension that increases by 20% a year and paid in arrears if inflation is running at 30% a year. But then you welsh neo marxist dummies never were any good when it came to maths were you

It would be interesting to know how Wales voted on brexit. I think the 40 % of Wales residents who speak Welsh, all voted against brexit. The winning pro brexit vote was all from the 60 % English there.

An advantage of hyper inflation is that it clears insane debt such as the student loan epidemic and the national housing mortgage based money laundering. Doesn't work too well for individuals with high unemployment statistics, but ...

There isnt 60% English there at all, more like 10% to 15%. Not many English move to Wales or Scotland because of the systematic racism and hatred. Part of my job was to travel to Wales twice a year and instruct the workers on how to achieve maximum yields on the product, the coldness was palpable as soon as we walked in the room and the hate was obvious. No wonder they lost money with a brand new plant that should have been a world beater. Our old plant achieved yields of 95%, the welsh could not better 89% on one proven to be better than 98%.

 

[Phoenall]

It is interesting that he claims he is not the bankers' man, yet his entire financial balance plan for all his proposals is just more debt.

Makes me nervous but interest rates are at record lows and the economy needs a stimulus.
The fear is that the money will be controlled by fuckwits who dont know what they are doing.

I think they know what they are doing. It is called lining their pockets.

There is a shabby history of public money being diverted into private pockets. All the way back to De Lorean. There are a huge number of scams available.

The biggest being the hand out to the Scots, Welsh and Irish to smooth the way. How much have you had spent on you since it came into operation again ?

 

[Challenger]

It is interesting that he claims he is not the bankers' man, yet his entire financial balance plan for all his proposals is just more debt.

Seems with the neocon influence worldwie, people have forgotten basic Keynsian economics, the same economics that pulled the USA out of the great recession of the 20's and 30's. In the simplest possible terms the government spends money to stimulate economic growth increasing production and creating more jobs and the resultant taxation revenues pay off any extra debt incurred. The current model gives the wealth to the rich in the hope they provide the necessary growth and create jobs, etc. THe fallacy with this model is that it doesn't factor in to the equation, the fact that the rich will keep the wealth and grow richer, while the poorer members of society go to the wall.

Nor does it factor in that the government has to have the money, or the collateral, in the first place. The last neo marxist government put paid to that when it sold the Gold reserves leaving the UK penniless. Then they tried to stimulate the economy by opening the doors to uncontrolled migration and allowed in those unable to work and fill the coffers for them. So instead of showing a surplus it showed a steady deficit and still the unemployable streamed in to the country. We are now starting to run over the sides as we are full and all you can do is blame the current government for your neo marxist cock ups

On which planet would Blairs government be marxists ?

That would probably be planet Phoney? You know he makes things up don't you and tries to move the goalposts? The reality from Tax research UK
"Labour invariably borrows less than the Conservatives. The data always shows that.
"Labour has always repaid debt more often than the Conservatives, and has always repaid more debt, on average." The Conservatives have been the biggest borrowers over the last 70 years

Go Phoney!

He is truly the King of the made up assertion. The fellow in the pic looks just as I imagined, muttering to himself about foreign made goal posts and neo marxist astroturf.

When he starts to name call and post in CAPITALS, you know he's getting hysterical. Here's some more figures to chew on. Deficit facts 1997 – 2015

Oh, and if all he can do is dismiss a blog by a world ackowledged expert:

"He is Professor of Practice in International Political Economy at City University, London and Director of Tax Research UK. He is a non-executive director of Cambridge Econometrics.

According to International Tax Review Richard was the 7th most influential person in global tax in 2013. In 2016 Richard was in the same journal’s Global Top 50 in tax, one of only two people to have been so for the whole five years it had published such a list."

You know he's got nothing, what a tosser. As I said, not worth engaging with; seems he's that stupid he doesn't realise that the Welsh people hated him personaly and not English people in general. I've been to Wales and Scotland lots of times and never met more friendly and welcoming people. That says it all.

 

[Challenger]

Also, technology would invalidate Keynesian practices in the 21st century.

How so?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Jeremy Corbyn wins UK's Labour Party leadership race - CNN.com

On his victory speech, Corbyn has announced that what the British want is 21st century socialism. And to pay for it, he promptly proposed to lift the borrowing cap of each municipal district.

So, if you ever wondered why your local taxes always go up and where they go, wonder no more. The pretence is off. And in the UK it is not only the home owners but every resident must pay the local tax, called council tax.

Also, Corbyn said that the Labor party is the party of the disadvantaged workers and not the banks.

How stupid are people that they don't see through this?

This is the first legislative proposal to take advantage of the newly gained isolation of the post brexit British public.

Discuss.

21st Century Socialism looks rather like 20th Century Socialism, i.e. the Tories in power.

Corbyn isn't a leader of the Labour Party, he's the leader of a faction who has somehow managed to convince a lot of Labour supporters that not winning an election is what it's all about.

In the last 35 years and more there has only been one leader of the Labour Party elected to become PM, and many in the Labour Party hated him because he wasn't Socialist. But that was why he got elected.

21st Century Socialism is Corbyn not talking about all the Socialism, but answering in a very political way. I saw him answer a question about Socialism and answer something like "well we want the trains to run, who doesn't want that? We want the hospitals to function, who doesn't want that?" without actually stating what his Socialism actually is. It's more than likely getting most things under govt control.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Why didn't he talk about Brexit?

The most important referendum the British have made.

It looks like a decent programme to rebuild our shattered economy.
I would like to see them go further in rolling back the privatisation of the NHS, abolishing the wretched academy schools and increasing pensions.

A decent program that A) won't convince enough voters to vote for him, he's got 300,000 votes in the bag, he needs like 11 million, there's the first problem and B) wouldn't solve the problem of the shattered economy. Socialism has never helped any shattered economy to get off its feet, unless you can provide an example I'm not aware of.

Yes, getting the NHS away from privatization would be a good thing. Academies aren't the problem with education, the problem is each successive govt comes in and decides that it's program of rebranding of schools will somehow deal with the problems that could more easily be solved by an educational task force being set up.

 

[Challenger]

Jeremy Corbyn wins UK's Labour Party leadership race - CNN.com

On his victory speech, Corbyn has announced that what the British want is 21st century socialism. And to pay for it, he promptly proposed to lift the borrowing cap of each municipal district.

So, if you ever wondered why your local taxes always go up and where they go, wonder no more. The pretence is off. And in the UK it is not only the home owners but every resident must pay the local tax, called council tax.

Also, Corbyn said that the Labor party is the party of the disadvantaged workers and not the banks.

How stupid are people that they don't see through this?

This is the first legislative proposal to take advantage of the newly gained isolation of the post brexit British public.

Discuss.

21st Century Socialism looks rather like 20th Century Socialism, i.e. the Tories in power.

Corbyn isn't a leader of the Labour Party, he's the leader of a faction who has somehow managed to convince a lot of Labour supporters that not winning an election is what it's all about.

In the last 35 years and more there has only been one leader of the Labour Party elected to become PM, and many in the Labour Party hated him because he wasn't Socialist. But that was why he got elected.

21st Century Socialism is Corbyn not talking about all the Socialism, but answering in a very political way. I saw him answer a question about Socialism and answer something like "well we want the trains to run, who doesn't want that? We want the hospitals to function, who doesn't want that?" without actually stating what his Socialism actually is. It's more than likely getting most things under govt control.

Sounds like the standard mantra, "We've got to convince Tory voters to vote for us in order to win". Only 24% of the country voted Tory, and thats about as good as it will ever get for them in the U.K. (+/- 10%) It's the emaining 76% Labour needs to attract, including the 34% who didn't bother to vote at all. If the majority of that 34% can be inspired to vote Labour, we're in with a chance to consign the Tories to the dustbin of history where they belong, depite the best efforts of the mainstream media and Tory gerrymandering of constituencies.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Jeremy Corbyn wins UK's Labour Party leadership race - CNN.com

On his victory speech, Corbyn has announced that what the British want is 21st century socialism. And to pay for it, he promptly proposed to lift the borrowing cap of each municipal district.

So, if you ever wondered why your local taxes always go up and where they go, wonder no more. The pretence is off. And in the UK it is not only the home owners but every resident must pay the local tax, called council tax.

Also, Corbyn said that the Labor party is the party of the disadvantaged workers and not the banks.

How stupid are people that they don't see through this?

This is the first legislative proposal to take advantage of the newly gained isolation of the post brexit British public.

Discuss.

21st Century Socialism looks rather like 20th Century Socialism, i.e. the Tories in power.

Corbyn isn't a leader of the Labour Party, he's the leader of a faction who has somehow managed to convince a lot of Labour supporters that not winning an election is what it's all about.

In the last 35 years and more there has only been one leader of the Labour Party elected to become PM, and many in the Labour Party hated him because he wasn't Socialist. But that was why he got elected.

21st Century Socialism is Corbyn not talking about all the Socialism, but answering in a very political way. I saw him answer a question about Socialism and answer something like "well we want the trains to run, who doesn't want that? We want the hospitals to function, who doesn't want that?" without actually stating what his Socialism actually is. It's more than likely getting most things under govt control.

Sounds like the standard mantra, "We've got to convince Tory voters to vote for us in order to win". Only 24% of the country voted Tory, and thats about as good as it will ever get for them in the U.K. (+/- 10%) It's the emaining 76% Labour needs to attract, including the 34% who didn't bother to vote at all. If the majority of that 34% can be inspired to vote Labour, we're in with a chance to consign the Tories to the dustbin of history where they belong, depite the best efforts of the mainstream media and Tory gerrymandering of constituencies.

But they won't vote for Corbyn. It's that simple. His message is the sort of message that lost Labour elections in the past. The Middle Class will look at the Tories and May and if everything isn't so bad, they'll vote for them again.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Full Speech: Jeremy Corbyn addresses conference

Watching his speech.... good for insomnia maybe, but 14:30 in he thanks the Mayor of London who acts like he's been praised by a Tory, he doesn't smile. Kind of sums up Labour right now.

 

[Challenger]

Socialism has never helped any shattered economy to get off its feet, unless you can provide an example I'm not aware of.

Attlee Government 1945 to 1951: The period from 1946 to 1951 saw continuous full employment and steadily rising living standards, which increased by about 10% each year. During that same period, the economy grew by 3% a year, and by 1951 the UK had "the best economic performance in Europe, while output per person was increasing faster than in the United States." Bizzarrely despite getting 250,000 more votes than the Tories they lost the 1951 election and the subsequent Tory govermnent managed to capitalise on the work done in that period.

 

[Challenger]

Jeremy Corbyn wins UK's Labour Party leadership race - CNN.com

On his victory speech, Corbyn has announced that what the British want is 21st century socialism. And to pay for it, he promptly proposed to lift the borrowing cap of each municipal district.

So, if you ever wondered why your local taxes always go up and where they go, wonder no more. The pretence is off. And in the UK it is not only the home owners but every resident must pay the local tax, called council tax.

Also, Corbyn said that the Labor party is the party of the disadvantaged workers and not the banks.

How stupid are people that they don't see through this?

This is the first legislative proposal to take advantage of the newly gained isolation of the post brexit British public.

Discuss.

21st Century Socialism looks rather like 20th Century Socialism, i.e. the Tories in power.

Corbyn isn't a leader of the Labour Party, he's the leader of a faction who has somehow managed to convince a lot of Labour supporters that not winning an election is what it's all about.

In the last 35 years and more there has only been one leader of the Labour Party elected to become PM, and many in the Labour Party hated him because he wasn't Socialist. But that was why he got elected.

21st Century Socialism is Corbyn not talking about all the Socialism, but answering in a very political way. I saw him answer a question about Socialism and answer something like "well we want the trains to run, who doesn't want that? We want the hospitals to function, who doesn't want that?" without actually stating what his Socialism actually is. It's more than likely getting most things under govt control.

Sounds like the standard mantra, "We've got to convince Tory voters to vote for us in order to win". Only 24% of the country voted Tory, and thats about as good as it will ever get for them in the U.K. (+/- 10%) It's the emaining 76% Labour needs to attract, including the 34% who didn't bother to vote at all. If the majority of that 34% can be inspired to vote Labour, we're in with a chance to consign the Tories to the dustbin of history where they belong, depite the best efforts of the mainstream media and Tory gerrymandering of constituencies.

But they won't vote for Corbyn. It's that simple. His message is the sort of message that lost Labour elections in the past. The Middle Class will look at the Tories and May and if everything isn't so bad, they'll vote for them again.

How do you know? Labour have 4 years to put their message across unless May calls a snap election (which may or may not be illegal unless she changes the law meantime) and even if she does there is a huge swathe of the Middle Class totally fed up with the Tories at the moment, especially those who voted for "remain".

 

[anotherlife]

Why didn't he talk about Brexit?

The most important referendum the British have made.

It looks like a decent programme to rebuild our shattered economy.
I would like to see them go further in rolling back the privatisation of the NHS, abolishing the wretched academy schools and increasing pensions.

And even further than that in kicking out wales so that he will have even more money to waste. His policies are a passport to disaster that will result in loss of Jobs and tax revenues as the wealthy leave for new pastures, closure of hospitals, black outs, riots, closures and a bankrupt country all so you can have a pension with no actual spending power. What good is a pension that increases by 20% a year and paid in arrears if inflation is running at 30% a year. But then you welsh neo marxist dummies never were any good when it came to maths were you

It would be interesting to know how Wales voted on brexit. I think the 40 % of Wales residents who speak Welsh, all voted against brexit. The winning pro brexit vote was all from the 60 % English there.

An advantage of hyper inflation is that it clears insane debt such as the student loan epidemic and the national housing mortgage based money laundering. Doesn't work too well for individuals with high unemployment statistics, but ...

There isnt 60% English there at all, more like 10% to 15%. Not many English move to Wales or Scotland because of the systematic racism and hatred. Part of my job was to travel to Wales twice a year and instruct the workers on how to achieve maximum yields on the product, the coldness was palpable as soon as we walked in the room and the hate was obvious. No wonder they lost money with a brand new plant that should have been a world beater. Our old plant achieved yields of 95%, the welsh could not better 89% on one proven to be better than 98%.

Are you saying that the English speaking welsh that don't speak welsh are still welsh and not English? This may be possible but doubtful because pretty much every welsh decision is an echo of English decisions. The easiest approach to find the boundaries of this perfect alignment is linguistic, interesting how this worked out in the plant management scenario.

 

[Challenger]

Full Speech: Jeremy Corbyn addresses conference

Watching his speech.... good for insomnia maybe, but 14:30 in he thanks the Mayor of London who acts like he's been praised by a Tory, he doesn't smile. Kind of sums up Labour right now.

Maybe not a broad grin but he does smile and wink at some people nearby. Early days...

 

[anotherlife]

Also, technology would invalidate Keynesian practices in the 21st century.

How so?

Keynesian economy assumes a linear relationship between work and output, that is the more work, the more output. But it is not true in an automated high tech economy. All the work is in machine maintenance and product design, which are negligible small compared to the old productive work, but the output is unlimited, limited only by market capitalization, as soon as one guy designs something.

 

[Challenger]

Watching his speech.... good for insomnia maybe

Most political speeches that last more than an hour, are.

 

[anotherlife]

Jeremy Corbyn wins UK's Labour Party leadership race - CNN.com

On his victory speech, Corbyn has announced that what the British want is 21st century socialism. And to pay for it, he promptly proposed to lift the borrowing cap of each municipal district.

So, if you ever wondered why your local taxes always go up and where they go, wonder no more. The pretence is off. And in the UK it is not only the home owners but every resident must pay the local tax, called council tax.

Also, Corbyn said that the Labor party is the party of the disadvantaged workers and not the banks.

How stupid are people that they don't see through this?

This is the first legislative proposal to take advantage of the newly gained isolation of the post brexit British public.

Discuss.

21st Century Socialism looks rather like 20th Century Socialism, i.e. the Tories in power.

Corbyn isn't a leader of the Labour Party, he's the leader of a faction who has somehow managed to convince a lot of Labour supporters that not winning an election is what it's all about.

In the last 35 years and more there has only been one leader of the Labour Party elected to become PM, and many in the Labour Party hated him because he wasn't Socialist. But that was why he got elected.

21st Century Socialism is Corbyn not talking about all the Socialism, but answering in a very political way. I saw him answer a question about Socialism and answer something like "well we want the trains to run, who doesn't want that? We want the hospitals to function, who doesn't want that?" without actually stating what his Socialism actually is. It's more than likely getting most things under govt control.

Very interesting. So looks like the British future will be aligned lock step with everything in the USA. For example, the next election will be won by the Tories to fully discredit brexit after it has been fully implemented. The second election after that and from then forever, Labour will win with possibly Corbyn on top.

Looks like it is easier to understand 21st century elections and referendums if we look at them as hired middle men, like HR departments and such.

 

[Eloy]

New Labour under Tony Blair lost Labour's working class base. The final straw was the invasion of Iraq when socialists gave-up on the party. It was to be a monumental task to get back to its socialist roots, too much for Ed Miliband. Jeremy Corbyn, by undoing the harm done by Blair is winning back old Labour's supporters and gaining many new members, especially the youth who are inspired by the socialist message. He is just the man for the job.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Socialism has never helped any shattered economy to get off its feet, unless you can provide an example I'm not aware of.

Attlee Government 1945 to 1951: The period from 1946 to 1951 saw continuous full employment and steadily rising living standards, which increased by about 10% each year. During that same period, the economy grew by 3% a year, and by 1951 the UK had "the best economic performance in Europe, while output per person was increasing faster than in the United States." Bizzarrely despite getting 250,000 more votes than the Tories they lost the 1951 election and the subsequent Tory govermnent managed to capitalise on the work done in that period.

But that doesn't mean it would happen in the modern era. That was post WW2 and it was going to rise every year unless there was a major disaster.

Labour have to realize that when things are going well, people who talk about tax cuts etc are going to do well. When the NHS is working, people aren't wowed by talk of improving the NHS, when education works they're not wowed by talk of improving education. They start looking at how to get their own pockets deeper in the short term. That's the reality.

Corbyn's talking about things like full employment, benefits for (what seems like) lots of people and so on, but he's not talking about how you do this and make kids have the desire to go out there and work hard in order to earn what they've grown up to believe will just come to them. That's a big problem for Labour.

 

[anotherlife]

Full Speech: Jeremy Corbyn addresses conference

Watching his speech.... good for insomnia maybe, but 14:30 in he thanks the Mayor of London who acts like he's been praised by a Tory, he doesn't smile. Kind of sums up Labour right now.

He also says something that he is like proud that the mayor is a Muslim, the 1st Muslim governor of the west. Hmmm.