New levels of fraud in the weather data.

[Baruch Menachem]

The weather data is averaged from reports from stations all over the globe.


What has been happening with the US data, is that it is being lemon picked.

While more weather stations exist than ever before, the US data sets have been shrinking. And the reports that go away are from high altitude, northern latitude, central continental locations. When data is pulled out, the average increases.


Also the data sets that are kept or are added are also suspect. Data sets near airports show an increasing trend just because of development. What was 30 years ago an ocean of grass is now covered in asphalt. But they don't normalize for that, and when they do, they often normalize the wrong way.
Lies damned lies, and global warming.

using the agency's own figures, Smith shows that in 1991, almost a quarter of NOAA's Canadian temperature data came from stations in the high Arctic. The same region contributes only 3% of the Canadian data today. Mr. D'Aleo and Mr. Smith say NOAA and GISS also ignore data from numerous weather stations in other parts of the world, including Russia, the U.S., and China….The result, they say, is a warmer-than-truthful global temperature record. "NOAA… systematically eliminated 75% of the world's stations with a clear bias towards removing higher latitude, high altitude and rural locations, all of which have a tendency to be cooler," the authors say. "The thermometers, in a sense, marched towards the tropics, the sea, and to airport tarmacs."

NASA GISS is run by the unbalanced James Hansen, who, as Patrick Michaels recently explained in National Review Online, "became famous for calling coal [shipments] to your local power plant 'death trains' and advocating war-crime trials for the executives who daily force you to put gasoline in your car." Hansen also testified in defense of saboteurs on trial for vandalism at power plant construction sites in Britain, saying their violence was justified by the contribution to global warming that the power plants would produce. He can certainly be relied upon as an objective data source.

 

[concept]

Thanks for the link. I heard this on Levin's show the other day.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Locally we have "School Net."

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[Old Rocks]

Very good, we cannot trust NOAA, NASA, or any of the people that are scientists involved in the science of climate change. Not in this country or any other country. Only Neo-con journalists with no science education are all are trustworthy. Are you closely related to Eots?

This is very much like the campaign that Joe McCarthy ran. With exactly the same kind of witless people backing him up.

 

[Oddball]

My appeal to authority can beat up your appeal to authority!

 

[Oddball]

In August 2007, I submitted two Freedom of Information Act requests to NASA and its Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), headed by long-time Gore advisor James Hansen and his right-hand man Gavin Schmidt (and RealClimate.org co-founder).

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NASA stonewalled my request for more than two years, until Climategate prompted me to offer notice of intent to sue if NASA did not comply immediately.

On New Year’s Eve, NASA finally provided the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) with the documents I requested in August 2007.

The emails show the hypocrisy, dishonesty, and suspect data management and integrity of NASA, wildly spinning in defense of their enterprise. The emails show NASA making off with enormous sums of taxpayer funding doing precisely what they claim only a “skeptic” would do. The emails show NASA attempting to scrub their website of their own documents, and indeed they quietly pulled down numerous press releases grounded in the proven-wrong data. The emails show NASA claiming that their own temperature errors (which they have been caught making and in uncorrected form aggressively promoting) are merely trivial, after years of hysterically trumpeting much smaller warming anomalies.

Pajamas Media Climategate 2.0 ? The NASA Files: U.S. Climate Science as Corrupt as CRU (PJM Exclusive ? Part One)

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Very good, we cannot trust NOAA, NASA, or any of the people that are scientists involved in the science of climate change.

Yes..... We must always blindly trust government agencies and anything that is government funded.

I know you realize how stupid you really are. This also makes you dishonest.

Your arguments now are, "trust the government" and "yeahbut."

 

[Baruch Menachem]

Doesn't matter what their motives are, what matters is that they have cooked the data by removing stations that make the numbers they want not work.

 

[Sinatra]

Very good, we cannot trust NOAA, NASA, or any of the people that are scientists involved in the science of climate change. Not in this country or any other country. Only Neo-con journalists with no science education are all are trustworthy. Are you closely related to Eots?

This is very much like the campaign that Joe McCarthy ran. With exactly the same kind of witless people backing him up.

You idiot - Joe McCarthy was the government - at least an extension of it.

It's warmers such as yourself who have been employing Joe McCarthy tactics...

 

[Old Rocks]

I see. The science journals Nature and Science are part of the pervasive conspiracy, correct? And also all of the scientific societies in the world. And all of the major universities. All of them lying about the glaciers retreating. About the ice melting in Greenland and Antarctica.

And those damned physicists and their absorbtion spectra of GHGs. After all, more CO2 cannot make it warmer. Look at all the CO2 in the atmosphere of Venus. And what a nice cool climate they have there.

 

[Old Rocks]

Doesn't matter what their motives are, what matters is that they have cooked the data by removing stations that make the numbers they want not work.

That is the claim of a very right wingnut publication. Show where a credible scientist states that this is the case.