New Israel Law Makes Apartheid Official

[Roudy]

If the Israelis returned Judea and Sumeria to the Palestinian Arabs and ended the occupation, it will postpone the event of Jews being outnumbered in Israel.

If the Israelis returned Judea and Sumeria to the Palestinian Arabs

If the Arabs returned the rest of the Middle East to the non-Muslims they displaced.............

it will postpone the event of Jews being outnumbered in Israel.

It's sweet to hear your concern for the Jews. Really.

What non-Muslims did the Arabs displace? The Christian Berbers converted to Islam, they didn't go anywhere? The Moors the same, they converted to Islam and invaded Spain and stayed there a while. You don't know what you are talking about. As an example, National Geographic's DNA project results show that Tunisians are still almost entierly Berbers and have more European DNA than Arab DNA. You are a confused dimwit.

Tunisians are only 4% Arabian ...

DNA analysis proves Arabs aren't entirely Arab

Interesting that You bring genetics so frequently...

According to the same study:
almost 20% of Egyptians are actually Arabians (as much as Arabs in Israel):

What even more surprised me was Lebanon with 14% Jews and crushing 44% Arabians:

How did this happen?
Where did all the Lebanese people go?

"According to the same study:
almost 20% of Egyptians are actually Arabians (as much as Arabs in Israel):"

Well yeah, what's been said and proven over and over, that's because the so called Palestinians are identical in every way to the neighboring Arabs.

 

[Roudy]

...the right to realize self-determination “is unique to the Jewish people.”

So what does that mean in practice?

I think it's pretty clear.

Actually, it's somewhat ambiguous. I'm not seeing it as apartheid.

What would you call it if Italy wrote in its constitution that the right to realize self-determination is unique to the Catholic people.

And isn't that what most Muslim countries have already done, and what the Palestinians want to create, as Hamas says, "Islamic Caliphate of Palestine from river to the sea, under Shariah law".

 

[Roudy]

It is about to become a law that Israel will be a Jewish state and democratic too. Discrimination for Jews and against other citizens will be protected by law. According to this proposed law, while every individual has the right “to preserve his culture, heritage, language and identity,” the right to realize self-determination “is unique to the Jewish people.”
Reigniting old dispute, ministers okay new ‘Jewish State’ bill
What about Arab citizens of Israel having a right to self-determination? That will not exist in the "democratic" Jewish state. This solves the problem for the Israelis who have de facto annexed the Palestinian Territories because they will be outnumbered when the Palestinians of Sumeria and Judea will be a threat of being a majority in the sectarian state. Apartheid, or negating the rights of Arabs, is the only way for Israel to be democratic. The only problem remaining for the Israelis is that apartheid meets with universal opprobrium.

I don't support that movement. Not really necessary. The Israeli Arabs are fine partners. Many in the Knesset.

But I don't get to vote in Israel do I? Do YOU get a vote? Don't think so..

Most Israeli citizens are denied the right to vote.

Link?

 

[Roudy]

What does the law actually say?

THAT should have been the question in the first place, instead of the stupid opening post.

So, let's talk about this bill.

This bill was brought forth by two ministers: Avi Dicther and Ze'ez Alkin, who initiated the bill on the 18th Knesset. It has two versions. The one by Ayelet Shaked, who's the minister of law, and Ze'ev Elkin. The first bill talked about a law declaining openly that "Israel is a Jewish state", but the written version states that "Israel is the national home of the Jewish people". (Which is nothing new! it was the idea brought by the Zionist movement since 1803).

Later on, ministers Shaked, Elkin and Levin fixed the bill, which is not under question. later on, Netanyahu brought his own versions.

THIS is the main clauses of the general bill:

1. Israel is the national home of the Jewish people.

2. Israel is obligated to preserve the Jewish tradition, which includes the Hebrew Calendar, the Hebrew language and Jewish law.

3. Jews have the right to make Aliyah to Israel and gain citizenship.

4. The Arabic language will gain "special status" in Israel.

5. Freedom of expression will remain a high value to all three religions.

6. The state will keep the holy places of all religions.

7. Israel is under a democratic regime.

8. Israel is built on the values of freedome and justice, as the prophets of Israel first called, and be obligated to keep human rights of each citizen and groups, as first anounced.

There is nothing democratic about a nation that selects a specific religion as the national religion and declaring itself the home of a specific religion. It would be like the U.S. declaring itself the home of the Christian people. LOL

Do christians constitute an ethnicity?

This has nothing to do with religion. A Hassidic Jew has as much right to settle in Israel as a secular or even Christian Jew.

Christian Jew?

Moron.

Yes a Jew who practices Christianity (G-d forbid) is eligible to settle in Israel.

I think the church calls them Jewish-Crhistians.

Jews for Jesus!

 

[Roudy]

Yes and those Jews can be totally secular. So?

So Israeli citizens who are not Jews will be disqualified from realizing their self determination under this proposed law. When these non-Jewish citizens eventually outnumber Jews it will be impossible for it to be a democracy as the majority will be subject to a Jewish minority. Such a country will have to be an Apartheid one.

So all we are dealing here with are - Your delusional projections to the future?
The Israelis voted for their representatives in the Parliament. Those representatives voted democratically on the bill.

None of Your business what people choose deocratically in their state.

But further, try to explain - why is Judenrhein Palestine a precondition to negotiations with the Palestinians?

It is very much the present. If you had been reading the posts in this thread you will know that Palestinians are projected to outnumber Jewish Israelis by the end of this year. When Israel formally incorporates Judea and Sumeria, there will be all the Palestinians of the West Bank part of Israel, necessitating an Apartheid system in order to maintain Jewish domination. This new law is designed for such an eventuality.

Oh if You base Your knowledge on what's written here in the posts,
You'll find that Jews slept all their way through Holocaust, or that the law talks about religion...

Jews in Israel: 6,419,000 vs Arabs 1,786,000
Jews in Judea Samaria : around 500000 vs around 2000000 Arabs.

Are You good with math?

edit: we have yet talked about the recent change of trends in Arab birth rate, Israeli birth rate, the amount of Palestinian students who go to study abroad and stay there...
Maybe You WANT an apartheid for the Arabs but reality is different.

In an earlier post I provided the link showing the outnumbering of Jews by the end of this year.
Jews intend to annex Sumeria and Judea to Israel when they will be responsible for all the Palestinians of the West Bank being within Israel. With the chokehold blockade of Gaza continuing, the Palestinians there are being prevented from exercising self determination. There is no way a peaceful, just, and democratic Israel can be achieved. The enlargement of Israel is a step too far and, even with this proposed law, Israeli Jews are petrified of becoming a minority in their own country.

Thanks for the good news!

 

[Roudy]

The only value that any Agreement has, that is signed by Fatah or Hamas or Hezbollah, is to increase the supply of toilet tissue.

I'll settle for unconditional surrender by the Palestinian IslamoNazis.

 

[rylah]

Hamas does NOT consider Gaza occupied:

BETHLEHEM (Ma'an) -- Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahhar has cast doubt his party will take up peaceful resistance against Israel as advocated by former rivals Fatah.
Under a reconciliation deal between the factions signed in May, officials called for a unified "national strategy," and Fatah officials say that Hamas chief-in-exile Khalid Mashaal agreed to adopt non-violent popular action in favor of armed struggle.

But in comments to Ma'an late Monday, senior Hamas official in Gaza Zahhar stressed the situation in the Gaza Strip is different to the occupied West Bank.

"Against whom could we demonstrate in the Gaza Strip? When Gaza was occupied, that model was applicable," Zahhar said.

Hamas: Peaceful resistance not applicable to Gaza

 

[montelatici]

It is about to become a law that Israel will be a Jewish state and democratic too. Discrimination for Jews and against other citizens will be protected by law. According to this proposed law, while every individual has the right “to preserve his culture, heritage, language and identity,” the right to realize self-determination “is unique to the Jewish people.”
Reigniting old dispute, ministers okay new ‘Jewish State’ bill
What about Arab citizens of Israel having a right to self-determination? That will not exist in the "democratic" Jewish state. This solves the problem for the Israelis who have de facto annexed the Palestinian Territories because they will be outnumbered when the Palestinians of Sumeria and Judea will be a threat of being a majority in the sectarian state. Apartheid, or negating the rights of Arabs, is the only way for Israel to be democratic. The only problem remaining for the Israelis is that apartheid meets with universal opprobrium.

Excellent.

Time to kick the nasty Muzzi-Pals out of Gaza and the West Bank, and shove 'em back across to the East Bank of the Jordan River, where they belong.

In Arab Palestine.

a.k.a. "Jordan"

More room in Syria.

How can a Hashemite Kingdom be Arab Palestine? The Hashemite subjects are Bedouins, Arabians. Palestinian Christians and Muslims are Levantines with very little Arabian DNA.

Actually Gazan's are mostly Bedouin and Egyptian while Arabs in Judea, Samaria and Israel are more clan oriented.
Palestinians have strong divisions, and usually tend NOT to marry into other clans.

Do You have a link for the Arabian DNA among Palestinians, or is it a wild guess?

How do You explain those common Palestinian surnames like al-Masri, al-Husseini, Mughrabi etc?

Purposely, National Geographic avoided doing the test on Palestinians to avoid the political fallout. However, like all Levantines, they have very little Arabian DNA.

 

[Hollie]

It is about to become a law that Israel will be a Jewish state and democratic too. Discrimination for Jews and against other citizens will be protected by law. According to this proposed law, while every individual has the right “to preserve his culture, heritage, language and identity,” the right to realize self-determination “is unique to the Jewish people.”
Reigniting old dispute, ministers okay new ‘Jewish State’ bill
What about Arab citizens of Israel having a right to self-determination? That will not exist in the "democratic" Jewish state. This solves the problem for the Israelis who have de facto annexed the Palestinian Territories because they will be outnumbered when the Palestinians of Sumeria and Judea will be a threat of being a majority in the sectarian state. Apartheid, or negating the rights of Arabs, is the only way for Israel to be democratic. The only problem remaining for the Israelis is that apartheid meets with universal opprobrium.

Excellent.

Time to kick the nasty Muzzi-Pals out of Gaza and the West Bank, and shove 'em back across to the East Bank of the Jordan River, where they belong.

In Arab Palestine.

a.k.a. "Jordan"

More room in Syria.

How can a Hashemite Kingdom be Arab Palestine? The Hashemite subjects are Bedouins, Arabians. Palestinian Christians and Muslims are Levantines with very little Arabian DNA.

Actually Gazan's are mostly Bedouin and Egyptian while Arabs in Judea, Samaria and Israel are more clan oriented.
Palestinians have strong divisions, and usually tend NOT to marry into other clans.

Do You have a link for the Arabian DNA among Palestinians, or is it a wild guess?

How do You explain those common Palestinian surnames like al-Masri, al-Husseini, Mughrabi etc?

Purposely, National Geographic avoided doing the test on Palestinians to avoid the political fallout. However, like all Levantines, they have very little Arabian DNA.

Well, as usual for The Monty, when his argument comes crashing to the ground in flames, he'll resort to a goofy conspiracy theory.

Nation Geographic is under the spell of the Jooooos. Yeah, that must be it.

 

[Roudy]

It is about to become a law that Israel will be a Jewish state and democratic too. Discrimination for Jews and against other citizens will be protected by law. According to this proposed law, while every individual has the right “to preserve his culture, heritage, language and identity,” the right to realize self-determination “is unique to the Jewish people.”
Reigniting old dispute, ministers okay new ‘Jewish State’ bill
What about Arab citizens of Israel having a right to self-determination? That will not exist in the "democratic" Jewish state. This solves the problem for the Israelis who have de facto annexed the Palestinian Territories because they will be outnumbered when the Palestinians of Sumeria and Judea will be a threat of being a majority in the sectarian state. Apartheid, or negating the rights of Arabs, is the only way for Israel to be democratic. The only problem remaining for the Israelis is that apartheid meets with universal opprobrium.

Excellent.

Time to kick the nasty Muzzi-Pals out of Gaza and the West Bank, and shove 'em back across to the East Bank of the Jordan River, where they belong.

In Arab Palestine.

a.k.a. "Jordan"

More room in Syria.

How can a Hashemite Kingdom be Arab Palestine? The Hashemite subjects are Bedouins, Arabians. Palestinian Christians and Muslims are Levantines with very little Arabian DNA.

Actually Gazan's are mostly Bedouin and Egyptian while Arabs in Judea, Samaria and Israel are more clan oriented.
Palestinians have strong divisions, and usually tend NOT to marry into other clans.

Do You have a link for the Arabian DNA among Palestinians, or is it a wild guess?

How do You explain those common Palestinian surnames like al-Masri, al-Husseini, Mughrabi etc?

Purposely, National Geographic avoided doing the test on Palestinians to avoid the political fallout. However, like all Levantines, they have very little Arabian DNA.

"Purposely" eh? So all you have is "National Geogrphaic lied because of their DNA?" Ha ha ha...you are truly a pathetic bigot.

 

[Roudy]

Hamas does NOT consider Gaza occupied:

BETHLEHEM (Ma'an) -- Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahhar has cast doubt his party will take up peaceful resistance against Israel as advocated by former rivals Fatah.
Under a reconciliation deal between the factions signed in May, officials called for a unified "national strategy," and Fatah officials say that Hamas chief-in-exile Khalid Mashaal agreed to adopt non-violent popular action in favor of armed struggle.

But in comments to Ma'an late Monday, senior Hamas official in Gaza Zahhar stressed the situation in the Gaza Strip is different to the occupied West Bank.

"Against whom could we demonstrate in the Gaza Strip? When Gaza was occupied, that model was applicable," Zahhar said.

Hamas: Peaceful resistance not applicable to Gaza

Isn't he that chimp from Planet of the Palestinian Apes?